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218. Some things I just don't get.

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:45 PM

Feb 2015

You won't see me post on the topic of GMO's here because I am completely uneducated on them. We only have so much time in our lives to educate ourselves on things and we can't all be experts or even knowledgeable about everything. I have made mistakes at du and been quickly corrected. I would even say I have had my ass handed to me and rightly so. I do try to stick to that which I know. There is nothing wrong with admitting an error. I find it to be a very good thing to admit, as it shows an ability to change and learn, although one doesn't want to find themselves doing it often. When one continues down a path of propping up a thought that has been proven to be incorrect, the word necessary to describe them is no longer uneducated.

Sorry I am as uneducated as I am with respect to GMO's. I only have so much time and that is an area I have yet to jump into. I'm sure I will at some point. Bad Traveler Bad.

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47% of BASE see Hillary as UNFAVORABLE! [View all] Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 OP

I thought it was only 5% Paulie Feb 2015 #1

Take all of these numbers with a grain of salt. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #9

If you read the link former9thward Feb 2015 #128

"democratic primary voters" is from page 27 onwards - 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #139

This is a red flag, fo sho, tho Hillary fans will dismiss it at their own peril. We can do alot better. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #145

What's the red flag exactly? Agschmid Feb 2015 #150

I don't view her one way or the other. hollowdweller Feb 2015 #134

What actually matters most is, that the Dem leadership listen to the voters. They failed sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #156

That's the thing about "statistics" they are VERY flexible! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #10

It is only 5%. "Base" means the base percentage over the whole population, before it is broken DanTex Feb 2015 #31

47% of respondents find Hillary UNFAVORABLE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #40

Hello? titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #68

But 91% of "Very Liberal" primary voters had "very favorable" views. pnwmom Feb 2015 #124

How many people is that EXACTLY? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #157

Have you heard the term sample size? Agschmid Feb 2015 #164

Are you now arguing against the methodology of the poll that you put up?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #166

NOPE, just underscoring what it ACTUALLY says Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #175

Again... Please tell me what it actually says? Agschmid Feb 2015 #180

It basically says that Republicans hate her. So what else is new? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #190

The fact that there was a steady decrease in popularity with voters who were less and less liberal pnwmom Feb 2015 #172

How many people does it represent, NUMBERS not percent? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #179

It's not... Agschmid Feb 2015 #182

You don't understand statistical significance. There was a margin of error of 5.6% so that means pnwmom Feb 2015 #188

LOL... SidDithers Feb 2015 #191

You ALMOST get it Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #252

The rec list for this Hall of Fail contender is the funniest of all Number23 Feb 2015 #255

But yet somehow so very predictable.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #259

Including Rethugs, so what did you expect? Which candidate did better than Hillary? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #189

That's just a bogus liberal hater figure. L0oniX Feb 2015 #143

But you see, 45% + 5% = 50%... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #2

That number is closer to my experience when asking. Octafish Feb 2015 #3

No surprise there. Real Democrats don't like corpo-war hawks. Scuba Feb 2015 #4

Surprise Renew Deal Feb 2015 #6

Why don't you run the numbers for us? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #16

Who said the poll showed Hillary is inevitable? brooklynite Feb 2015 #44

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #51

ONLY 5% of VERY LIBERAL people find Hillary unfavorable! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #52

It certainly proves DU is not a good representation of the party "base"... Agschmid Feb 2015 #54

Or... that polls are a crap shoot? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #65

This poll is pretty positive for Hillary supporters... Agschmid Feb 2015 #69

When you point a finger at someone you have four fingers pointing back at yourself, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #72

Which table are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #160

You are the one that cited the poll so it's a little late to question the quality of the sample. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #170

It shows that hillary is mostly opposed by moderates and republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #105

Your post doesn't make sense Renew Deal Feb 2015 #104

Did you actually read the poll! 47% includes Republicans leftofcool Feb 2015 #13

Where is the break out by PARTY AFFILIATION? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #20

Haven't read the break out by Party Affiliation, but there are definitely Republicans BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #92

No - and that goes to the difficulty in really understanding or comparing these numbers karynnj Feb 2015 #136

Exactly. And the polarization is being perpetuated by Republicans (neo-confederates) in order to BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #146

p.27 & 28 for Dem primary voters: Hillary 76% favourable, 15% unfavourable muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #142

Thanks! Agschmid Feb 2015 #144

NAME RECOGNITION Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #198

NO I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOURS muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #201

Misbegotten! Oh my! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #209

Are you now saying that you are capable, after all, of reading a poll? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #227

Maliciously disrupting IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #229

At this point in the thread I crack up in LOLs. Someone needs to hack up a furball... Hekate Feb 2015 #231

Hillary and Biden have had nationwide name recognition since the '80s/early '90s Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #283

I'm sure Warren's favourable number would go up muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #290

Well, almost nobody's running at this point Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #293

Future tense for Warren, too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #294

You should read a little better. William769 Feb 2015 #15

Show the CORRECT numbers... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #21

Sorry not my job to help with your math skills. William769 Feb 2015 #25

BECAUSE without CHERRY PICKING, Hillary looks BAD Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #43

One of the best posts ever. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #117

Do you get it yet? The numbers you're citing include Republicans. Of course they don't like her. pnwmom Feb 2015 #194

You did vote for The Obama-Biden ticket didnt you? yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #116

The poll included Republicans, and they were the ones who overwhelmingly don't like Hillary. pnwmom Feb 2015 #193

You misread it. That number includes republicans. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #5

Wasn't misread. Tried to be used as misleading. William769 Feb 2015 #12

try replying with emphasis in caps GusBob Feb 2015 #32

;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #46

Forget it, she's rolling BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #19

What page and what breakout are you citing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #24

Page 14, same as you. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #88

Thank you. Beacool Feb 2015 #236

Oh my God!! Number23 Feb 2015 #249

Don't confuse the haters with facts nt One of the 99 Feb 2015 #99

I originally thought this was an issue of ignorance Renew Deal Feb 2015 #107

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #113

"When in fact it's malice." NCTraveler Feb 2015 #114

Unrec for cherry picking of stats. The important # here is that she leads the most GOP by 10 points. FSogol Feb 2015 #7

NOPE. cherry picking is citing a poll of 691 people with 301 Democrats Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #26

You brought the poll up as something important, not me. FSogol Feb 2015 #27

Yet here you are? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #48

... Again. Agschmid Feb 2015 #57

WRONG TABLE! That table is IDEOLOGY I'm citing PARTY Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #61

Okay here it is... Agschmid Feb 2015 #67

So 47% of the sample see Hillary as UNFAVORABLE! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #75

The "sample" is everyone who was polled. Agschmid Feb 2015 #79

47% of who? Renew Deal Feb 2015 #94

So you want Republicans to decide who runs in our primary. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #109

Not really skewed R. progressoid Feb 2015 #101

Your correct sorry, I deleted that part of my post. Agschmid Feb 2015 #102

It's more complicated than that. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #273

Read again.... whatthehey Feb 2015 #8

What are you disagreeing with? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #50

Uh no! 47% includes Republicans. Try again! leftofcool Feb 2015 #11

Show us the NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #30

There are a lot of people who vote for the least unfavorable. postulater Feb 2015 #14

Accidental mistake analyzing poll results or something else? pampango Feb 2015 #17

Since that poll includes Republicans, that's not what it says at all. MineralMan Feb 2015 #18

OH, son ONLY Democrats will vote in 2016??? who knew! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #34

I'm not your son, and your use of the word "base" MineralMan Feb 2015 #42

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #71

I'm not talking about either. I'm talking about your language MineralMan Feb 2015 #76

The poster is acting as a malicious disruptor currently. Agschmid Feb 2015 #83

I don't like to characterize posters. MineralMan Feb 2015 #98

MIRT! MIRT! Where art thou? BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #103

79% of Democrats... Agschmid Feb 2015 #81

As others have pointed out, this is a cross-section of all Iowa voters, not "the base" OKNancy Feb 2015 #22

NO, the TABLE CITED CLEARLY says BASE Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #35

Were you mistaken sharp_stick Feb 2015 #23

This is a teaching opportunity! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #36

It would be useful sharp_stick Feb 2015 #125

And the OP cleary does not. Agschmid Feb 2015 #130

Sorry, thats very inappropriate Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #168

Unfortunately you aren't willing to discuss. Agschmid Feb 2015 #171

Actually she has the best favorable/unfavorables of all the candidates in that poll except .... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #214

This is IOWA you're talking about? aquart Feb 2015 #276

All this is "teaching" us.. is that you like to ignore the facts and use the :rofl: to show you Cha Feb 2015 #269

You won't get a reply... Agschmid Feb 2015 #270

It wasn't a question.. Cha Feb 2015 #272

Yup that's accurate! Agschmid Feb 2015 #274

This is in the primary. This does not alarm me since there are at least two other candidates that jwirr Feb 2015 #28

I'm seriously hoping this is a joke. "Base" refers to the base percentage over the whole population DanTex Feb 2015 #29

SO 47% don't have an unfavorable opinion of Hillary? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #37

47% of the whole electorate, yes. Not the base of the party. DanTex Feb 2015 #39

AND 18% of "somewhat liberal" voters. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #55

That's not how you would do that math... Agschmid Feb 2015 #60

Please tell me that you are not serious. DanTex Feb 2015 #64

Wow, what a fuckin FAIL. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #33

Great retort Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #38

It would have been better to admit your error whatthehey Feb 2015 #47

lol, I know, right? Wordsmiths. DU is Wordsmith University. closeupready Feb 2015 #53

Well you're the one that completely distorted the facts to your liking... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #93

POTW DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #80

Just like the other thread.. sendero Feb 2015 #41

She needs to get in the race and state her platform. ALBliberal Feb 2015 #45

The word base doesn't represent the "democratic base" just FYI... Agschmid Feb 2015 #49

I keep getting told we can't win by appealing to the middle, so we should appeal to the liberal left brooklynite Feb 2015 #56

WRONG TABLE! Page 14 by PARTY, NOT ideology! Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #59

This table is more telling IMO. Agschmid Feb 2015 #62

You're reading it wrong sharp_stick Feb 2015 #73

I guess it does include Republicans. HappyMe Feb 2015 #58

You are correct. And so it isn't surprising at all that 47% have a negative opinion. nt pnwmom Feb 2015 #195

I'm getting pretty sick of the 'polls say..' posts. HappyMe Feb 2015 #205

Again very few people are telling others to shut up, sure there are a few... Agschmid Feb 2015 #212

I couldn't say really how many it actually is. HappyMe Feb 2015 #215

Who needs Comedy Central? William769 Feb 2015 #63

MORE caps PLEASE! Agschmid Feb 2015 #70

I'm the subtle type. William769 Feb 2015 #77

If the OP isn't joking... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #74

... William769 Feb 2015 #78

More like Louie Gohmert. Don't disparage their asparagus. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #154

This has to be a tribute to the departed Leslie Nielsen. herding cats Feb 2015 #221

i was having a bad day and this thread has helped a lot JI7 Feb 2015 #254

+ a million. And the rec list takes it firmly over into Classic Fail territory Number23 Feb 2015 #256

You are just making stuff up: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #66

Wow!!!!! Negative 79% favorability among Democrats! EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!! DanTex Feb 2015 #82

... SidDithers Feb 2015 #84

You owe me a new keyboard! William769 Feb 2015 #85

Heheh... SidDithers Feb 2015 #86

Nice gif, did you make that? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #200

This board is past the point of being a parody of itself and is now on the precipice ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #87

Yep, you said it. Beacool Feb 2015 #238

It should get more recs Renew Deal Feb 2015 #96

Poll was commissioned by geek tragedy Feb 2015 #120

Bwahahahaha!!! JoePhilly Feb 2015 #153

+1000 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #280

You should delete the OP or change it. Your OP is misleading because you misinterpreted "Base." Hoyt Feb 2015 #89

691 people polled abelenkpe Feb 2015 #90

Most reputable polls call cell phone users. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #108

Yeah, it's the no cell phone abelenkpe Feb 2015 #140

This is trolling, you know damn well its not the DEMOCRATIC base... uponit7771 Feb 2015 #91

Damn right. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #115

The intentional misrepresentation of this poll is more evidence of what I pointed to in my OP stevenleser Feb 2015 #95

Yup. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Feb 2015 #97

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #111

Obama supporters hated Hillary AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #232

Who were you during the 2008 primaries?...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #235

Wow! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #239

Just curious, is all... SidDithers Feb 2015 #242

So you are trying to deflect AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #244

Nevermind. I'll figure it out myself...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #245

Given our short conversation AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #246

Really good numbers. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #100

UNREC*. Your OP should be deleted. It's skewed in wording which skews your opinion. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #106

Not sure where I fit in but I see her as unfavorable. Autumn Feb 2015 #110

I'm with you. I think the democratic party could find a politician with B Calm Feb 2015 #118

Putting aside your comment. William769 Feb 2015 #119

I really don't care about the poll numbers. This far out I think they are meaningless. Autumn Feb 2015 #121

I thank you for that answer. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #257

When we lie about those we don't like it makes us worse than our opponents./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #132

You better believe it! zappaman Feb 2015 #112

Recommending. This shit needs to go to the greatest page. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #122

CDS? Agschmid Feb 2015 #123

Clinton Derangement Syndrome./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127

Got it. Agschmid Feb 2015 #129

I'm sorry your thread ended up being about something other than the numbers from the poll. Rex Feb 2015 #126

These are the numbers from the poll that the original poster intentionally misinterpreted* DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

This is the greatest thread since the moon bombing Godhumor Feb 2015 #131

This thread may earn a spot in the DU Hall of Epic Fail. NYC Liberal Feb 2015 #133

Seriously? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #135

You misinterpreted the poll. Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #137

I think the OP is committed to that misinterpretation frazzled Feb 2015 #138

BOOM DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #141

K & R ...for pissing off ...someone L0oniX Feb 2015 #147

If we lie about people we don't like what does that make us? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #149

That is about the percent that doesn't vote. upaloopa Feb 2015 #148

Misleading OP Android3.14 Feb 2015 #152

How is it "misleading"? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #155

Very few people on DU actually are insisting she run... Agschmid Feb 2015 #159

Actually, Populist values poll highest generally. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #161

Ok... Agschmid Feb 2015 #165

The "BASE" is all voters. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #162

"BASE" as used in that chart refers to EVERYONE, not the base of the Democratic party. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #167

Isn't the "BASE" all voters? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #174

"Base" normally refers to the most loyal party voters. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #177

Again... Agschmid Feb 2015 #186

No, it isn't. Beacool Feb 2015 #243

What do you think "base" means in this context? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #199

Doesn't matter what I think... Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #204

Actually Android3.14 Feb 2015 #222

Well dont. Nailed it. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #224

BOOM/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #226

Nicely done. Agschmid Feb 2015 #230

Well that settles that! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #284

Base in this poll is not Democratic Party Base. It is the raw data from those polled. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #163

OK, where is it suggested otherwise? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #169

Right flipping here DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #176

So is your complaint about parsing? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #187

Is this the Bill Clinton "meaning of is" debate. It was actually charming from the ole rascal. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #192

No, about extreme distortion. A poll that includes both parties OF COURSE will have pnwmom Feb 2015 #197

Lying is more accurate Renew Deal Feb 2015 #237

"Clinton also remains dominant in the Democratic Primary field. 54% of the party's voers want her" Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #202

It was a terrible poll, automatic and only a few hundred respondents. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #173

You forgot the sarcasm tag. taught_me_patience Feb 2015 #178

mehbee ;~/ Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #183

Well, if your inference was that only 45% of those Democrats polled ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #210

When did American high schools stop teaching basic math terms? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #181

Anything to add or just snark? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #184

They did add something. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #206

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #213

Some things I just don't get. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #218

I there with you, you won't see me in one of those threads... I know better. Agschmid Feb 2015 #219

When you have an OP as broken as this one...one as poorly resourced msanthrope Feb 2015 #247

What base, the GOP base, if 47% of the GOP base then this should scare the hell out of the GOP. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #185

I know, right? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #196

We've tried... Agschmid Feb 2015 #207

That number keeps growing. 99Forever Feb 2015 #203

It's actually only 13% of Democrats who view her unfavorably, in this poll. Agschmid Feb 2015 #208

Don't confuse the poor fella with facts: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #211

Revamping Hillary's "Brand" is Not Enough daredtowork Feb 2015 #216

Well, in this case, it apparently is, because the OP is flat-out wrong about the poll numbers. DanTex Feb 2015 #217

Which base? First base? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #220

This should settle this silliness Android3.14 Feb 2015 #223

This comment of yours should have received more attention. Nothing like hearing it from the horses stevenleser Feb 2015 #281

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #282

Thanks Android3.14 Feb 2015 #291

Base = 691 registered voters BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #225

Like....+1 Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #241

My goodness, get a grip on yourself. It's a wide-open primary with lots of choices coming up... Hekate Feb 2015 #228

Whose bright idea was it to make Cosmic Kitten a host of Populist Reform of the Democratic Party? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #233

"Screwn" indeed!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #285

That's not accurate, it was asked of all respondents. Beacool Feb 2015 #234

Im alarmed how you've totally confused the facts.. DCBob Feb 2015 #240

As a Daikykos pollster... 34th Avenue Feb 2015 #248

Thank you for so thoroughly validating stevenleser and LynneSinn Number23 Feb 2015 #250

HAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAH JI7 Feb 2015 #251

I'd vote for her Aerows Feb 2015 #253

you should apply for a job with cnn JI7 Feb 2015 #258

This is basic chart reading at this point.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #260

She's lock out of her own thread, gg. So no reply will be forthcoming. Number23 Feb 2015 #261

Ha figures, my first post in this OP blatantly called it giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #262

What post got the hide? Agschmid Feb 2015 #263

I don't think when you get a hide you're locked out of the entire thread./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #264

You are. Agschmid Feb 2015 #265

Yes, you are. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #266

Interesting. In that case DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #267

Remember he dies in the end... Agschmid Feb 2015 #268

Hillary concurs Number23 Feb 2015 #275

You are. Cha Feb 2015 #271

she is posting similar things in another thread and refuses to acknowledge JI7 Feb 2015 #279

Oy. Then I guess the cosmic furball didn't make it all the way up yet. Hekate Feb 2015 #295

This...would not surprise me at all. SoapBox Feb 2015 #277

I've seen some stupid and-or dishonest posts at DU, but this one takes the cake. onenote Feb 2015 #278

I don't know which is more embarrassing: Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #286

I'm gonna say it's "the recs" as the OP truly seems incapable of being embarrassed. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #288

It's sad when Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #289

Seriously? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #287

Kick. For shits and giggles...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #292

Water is wet. Aerows Feb 2015 #296