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MADem

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43. Actually, what I am is a person who is mightily sick of the bullshit tearing down I am seeing on DU.

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:26 PM

Feb 2015

Like I said elsewhere--if you like your candidate, support your candidate. Please note, my use of "your" in this post is generic--I am not singling "you" out, mind. And I'm also not singling out any candidates, here, either.

If a key element of your support for your candidate is referencing another candidate, and carping, whining, crying, criticizing, and denigrating that other candidate, then maybe there's a problem with your candidate in the first place.

A good candidate sells themselves, through their accomplishments, experience, and stated platform. If supporters have to incessantly tear down opponents with out-of-context, woefully dated material, instead of talking about their own choice's vision on a wide variety of national and international issues, then maybe their choice hasn't given them enough material -- and that might be for a reason.

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A (sad) tale of two polls. Actually, of one poll. [View all] DanTex Feb 2015 OP

OMG! 91% of very liberal people favor Hillary and 79% of Dems favor Hillary. leftofcool Feb 2015 #1

Thats what I keep trying to point out to the Left Leaning Independents on this board! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #76

Ask children who makes the best hamburger and they'll say McDonalds. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #2

You have a pretty low opinion of liberals, it seems. DanTex Feb 2015 #5

No, I have a pretty low opinion of Public Policy Polling and people who put stock in their polls. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #9

Well maybe not? Agschmid Feb 2015 #12

Those figures assume a well designed survey, am I right? NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #23

Ok. Agschmid Feb 2015 #24

Why don't you believe it to be the case? And what variables haven't they controlled for? DanTex Feb 2015 #25

Phone polls are cheap to conduct but notoriously unreliable. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #27

Which explains your rec of the "47%" thread... DanTex Feb 2015 #30

"overwhelming percentage of liberals like Hillary Clinton" Joe Turner Feb 2015 #126

That's why it's wise to look at all the polls available. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #31

Lets also remember how early it is, and how "meaningful" these things were in early 2007. (nt) NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #39

Polls are snapshots. You will get no debate from me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #40

actually in the case of Hillary's support dsc Feb 2015 #115

Great article and link, NYC_SKP Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #58

If you do the research you will discover PPP's findings... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #32

even better...let em try this one.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #80

The results aren't crap. As long as you have results beyond the 5.6% margin of error pnwmom Feb 2015 #15

You're right, the number could be as low as 73.4% approval from Dems. Or as high as 84.6%. DanTex Feb 2015 #16

Of course you do sharp_stick Feb 2015 #17

this is a very well respected firm dsc Feb 2015 #114

"PPP didn't poll DU or the outcome would have been significantly different! " SidDithers Feb 2015 #8

^^^THIS^^^^ VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #81

Perfection, thy name is Sid Dithers! n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #107

Thanks, Nance... SidDithers Feb 2015 #136

Stop it Sidney! You're killin' me. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #134

I bet DUers were polled in proportion to their existence in the population. pnwmom Feb 2015 #13

If the poll was conducted properly.... NCTraveler Feb 2015 #38

Or if one were to believe in fairytales...one might believe that DU is just like the rest of the VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #82

OH so you are claiming Democrats are all children....its the VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #79

DU as children or childish, never! I mean that some democrats are gullible like children. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #88

It's simultaneously sad and comical how many recommendations the specious thread got./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #3

Am I correct in reading that "Base" is the raw data from those who answered the poll? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #4

Yes. Base is the whole surveyed population. Ideology and party are subsets DanTex Feb 2015 #6

Thanks. That clarifies what I've seen in both posts. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #7

Its all they have....they are so desperate...they now are using the exact same tactics VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #84

It isn't the Democrat(ic) or Republican numbers that are the trouble LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #10

Your welcome for the images... Agschmid Feb 2015 #11

By the way, what's the easiest way to do that? Just screengrab and crop? DanTex Feb 2015 #20

Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #22

Why would 20 people rec a thread that, deliberately or accidentally, misrepresents polling data?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #14

Some people said they rec'd to point out the idiocy being displayed... Agschmid Feb 2015 #18

Ok. But from the names in that rec list... SidDithers Feb 2015 #19

Agree. Agschmid Feb 2015 #21

My favorite reccers are the ones that are now complaining about PPP. DanTex Feb 2015 #33

Why are EXIT POLLS WRONG during elections Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #54

What does that have to do with you misrepresenting the polling data?... SidDithers Feb 2015 #55

Really, my ass handed to me? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #59

100% of DU'ers polled said "Please Staph!" Agschmid Feb 2015 #62

Yes...there's your ass in your hand! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #85

Hillary's unfavorables are higher than repubs Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #89

YOU keep clinging to that if it helps.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #90

I'm not the one "clinging" to anything Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #95

Okay at some point you need to decide if you feel the sample size is representative... Agschmid Feb 2015 #98

Let's cut to the chase--PPP isn't all that accurate all the time. MADem Feb 2015 #26

LOL. Poll truthers strike again. DanTex Feb 2015 #28

Well, I am not a hater, but if one polling company can come up with such diverse results, MADem Feb 2015 #36

What diverse results? Did you even read the OP? DanTex Feb 2015 #37

The other OP didn't take the meaning of the term "base." MADem Feb 2015 #42

Of course it matters. It's blatantly misreading a poll. DanTex Feb 2015 #44

I'll bet if you look around you can find a wingnut poll that says the opposite. MADem Feb 2015 #45

Evidently you tried, and weren't able to. Hence the "I bet if". DanTex Feb 2015 #47

No, I didn't try--my point is that this whole exercise is foolishness. MADem Feb 2015 #49

Well, maybe you should. Because then you'll realize how wrong you are. DanTex Feb 2015 #50

My point is that NONE of them are "reputable" at this stage of the game. It's all bullshit and talk. MADem Feb 2015 #63

OK, so no polls showing Bernie Sanders ahead. As I thought. One check in my column. DanTex Feb 2015 #64

You and MADem are essentially arguing the same thing. Agschmid Feb 2015 #66

I give up!!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #72

Who said anything about Sanders? What are you ON about? MADem Feb 2015 #70

You did. Right here: DanTex Feb 2015 #77

its not many or most Duers....its just a vocal minority of Left Leaning Independents... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #87

Thank you daredtowork Feb 2015 #117

Because YOU are mischaracterizing ME..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #118

Huh? daredtowork Feb 2015 #121

Blind loyalty to the "D" is not something to proud of... Agschmid Feb 2015 #124

No....loyalty to THE people....not the letter... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #125

What Democrats on DU? You've told the majority of us we aren't Democrats, remember? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #119

No I didn't tell the Majority of them.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #120

You're a little off. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #122

No I am spot on! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123

Oh, for heaven's sake--I didn't mean ACTUALLY DO IT... MADem Feb 2015 #131

the POINT is....that misrepresenting the facts in order to substantiate a narrative... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #86

When someone on Fauxsnooze talks out their ass, I laugh at them, too. MADem Feb 2015 #132

Right that is the OTHER tactic... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #137

Well, regardless of whether or not the person started that other thread on the basis of a MADem Feb 2015 #138

You, according to the OP, are a "Poll Truther"! NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #41

Actually, what I am is a person who is mightily sick of the bullshit tearing down I am seeing on DU. MADem Feb 2015 #43

Agreed. Decided that was a failure long ago. freshwest Feb 2015 #48

I need to get in here somewhere DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #83

Nate Silver admitted he got lucky. MADem Feb 2015 #133

The Independent/Other number is what bothers me. Motown_Johnny Feb 2015 #29

The term "base" in this poll does NOT refer to the Democratic base. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #34

Exactly. Now try explaining that to the people cheering on the 47% number. DanTex Feb 2015 #35

You whine a lot! nt Logical Feb 2015 #46

Not exactly the correct premise Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #51

The percentages aren't meaningless unless you read them incorrectly. On purpose. DanTex Feb 2015 #53

Reading comprehension Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #56

A first start would be to not get the numbers wrong. On purpose. DanTex Feb 2015 #57

What was "false"? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #60

Had nothing to do with the party base. That was the entire electorate. DanTex Feb 2015 #61

Where does the poster mention the party base? All I see on that document is 'base'. Rex Feb 2015 #65

Umm, when he/she said "47% of the base". DanTex Feb 2015 #67

How is that wrong? TO be wrong it would be, "47% of the Democratic base." Yes? Rex Feb 2015 #68

The OP's post was misleading on purpose. Agschmid Feb 2015 #69

Okay I did not know they admitted to purposely disrupting. Rex Feb 2015 #73

Sure does. Agschmid Feb 2015 #74

NEVER made and such admission. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #91

Oh so when you posted this emoji... Agschmid Feb 2015 #94

Every day is a school day for me Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #96

It's your fail not mine. You decide. Agschmid Feb 2015 #97

My fall? Did you see the last election results? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #105

*fail. Agschmid Feb 2015 #106

So you don't see the party is losing ground? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #108

Sure I see it, I'm stuck with Charlie Baker as my governor... Agschmid Feb 2015 #109

LOL. Seriously, trying to slide on word games? DanTex Feb 2015 #71

The crosstabs reflect EXACTLY what I posted Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #93

Would you agree that presenting percentages is a kind of game? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #99

The raw numbers were disclosed and were a representative sized sample. Agschmid Feb 2015 #101

Not the "sample" numbers. The UNWEIGHTED crosstabs. Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #103

A deliberate omission, I suspect. MADem Feb 2015 #75

Here is the entire post Rex Feb 2015 #78

Actually I am COUNTING on people looking at the data Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #102

Obama was guar-ON-TEEEEEEED to lose BIG to RMoney--Guar-ON-TEEEEEEED, I tellya!!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #130

Base of what? Base of a lamp post? MADem Feb 2015 #129

If you start with a false premise, the blanks are filled in after one does the math. MADem Feb 2015 #135

Isn't a poll citing 60% of... a game of "fill in the blanks" Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #100

Here is a good answer to that... Agschmid Feb 2015 #104

What is that an answer to? What I asked MADem? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #110

FFS... Agschmid Feb 2015 #112

Whatever. You posted something that didn't make sense in context Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #113

Answer: Because people lie. nt MADem Feb 2015 #128

So true. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #52

You're for the oligarchy candidate. We get it. L0oniX Feb 2015 #92

Based on the two crosstabs posted Hillary is seen unfavorably by more "VOTERS" Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #111

and most of them are right wing leaning JI7 Feb 2015 #127

poll-truthers. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #116