A (sad) tale of two polls. Actually, of one poll.

[daredtowork]

117. Thank you

This has been confusing me about this entire discussion. Most people I know that identify themselves as "liberal" mean "progressive" in terms of freedoms (say medical marijuana, gay marriage, reproductive rights). They tend to be economically in the center, and even "Third Way". They define themselves AGAINST the "angry Left", and their constant struggle to appear the reasobable ones who represent the "middle class" ONLY has led to the Overton Window constantly dragging to the Right, and social needs left in a shambles.

So the ones against Hillary are thise to the Left of her policy stances. I don't know why you throw Independent in there unless it's because Bernie Sanders is doing a better job articulating policy interests of the Left. But otherwise, why not simply say Left-leaning Democrats? Some of the Union-supporters would even point out they were former Center Democrates, but the Overton Window border crossed them.

This constant invocation of the word "Liberal" is a strawman. It's used in many different ways - you can never be sure what people mean when they use the word Liberal to describe themselves.

However, Left is a lot more clear, and it's voters to the left of Hillary - WHO STILL SEE THEMSELVES AS DEMOCRATS - who are grasping around for other alternatives. You also don't have to go very far (i.e. all the way to the socialists) left, as the vigorous Draft Warren effort shows. Warren is about reigning in Wall Street - middle class main dish with a side of Left regulation.

IMHO, DanTex is just muddying up the matter by injecting the word Liberal.