I am disgusted by the whole "party loyalty" meme

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42. I think what you are seeing from those who are excited about people like Warren and Sanders

who DO actually speak for them on many issues, is a REACTION to the nasty, snide, constant personal attacks with zero discussion of the issues, or attempts to find ways to get politicians who excite the voters, whose records show they are consistent in their stand on the issues they speak out about.

Maybe we should just put them all on ignore, and let them run the forum but imo, that would create a false impression on where DUers stand on these issues.

If someone attacks you constantly, every day, insisting you are not a 'democrat' because you haven't accepted the 'inevitable', that you have strong reasons for want a better candidate, I think there WILL be a reaction.

I really have never liked the 'both sides do it' argument.

One side, no matter what the conflict is, is always responsible for initiating the conflict and therefore most responsible for it.

Eg, there is no such carping in the new 'Populist Reform of the Democratic Party' group. People are able to express their opinions there without the constant 'you're not a democrat' nonsense derailing threads, lowering the level of discourse to the grade school level.