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In reply to the discussion: A (sad) tale of two polls. Actually, of one poll. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)133. Nate Silver admitted he got lucky.
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/22/nate_silver_mostly_i_was_getting_credit_for_having_pointed_out_the_obvious_and_most_of_the_rest_was_luck/
Nate Silver: Mostly I was getting credit for having pointed out the obvious and most of the rest was luck
My perfect 2012 forecast was fortuitous -- but contributed to the perception that statisticians are soothsayers
NATE SILVER
...I worry that certain events in my life have contributed to the hype cycle. On November 6, 2012, the statistical model at my website FiveThirtyEight called the winner of the American presidential election correctly in all 50 states. I received a congratulatory phone call from the White House. I was hailed as lord and god of the algorithm by The Daily Shows Jon Stewart. My name briefly received more Google search traffic than the Vice President of the United States.
I enjoyed some of the attention, but I felt like an outlier even a fluke. Mostly I was getting credit for having pointed out the obvious and most of the rest was luck.
To be sure, it was reasonably clear by Election Day that President Obama was poised to win reelection. When voters went to the polls on election morning, FiveThirtyEights statistical model put his chances of winning the Electoral College at about 90 percent. A 90 percent chance is not quite a sure thing: Would you board a plane if the pilot told you it had a 90 percent chance of landing successfully? But when theres only reputation rather than life or limb on the line, its a good bet. Obama needed to win only a handful of the swing states where he was tied or ahead in the polls; Mitt Romney would have had to win almost all of them.
But getting every state right was a stroke of luck. In our Election Day forecast, Obamas chance of winning Florida was just 50.3 percent the outcome was as random as a coin flip. Considering other states like Virginia, Ohio, Colorado and North Carolina, our chances of going 50-for-50 were only about 20 percent. FiveThirtyEights perfect forecast was fortuitous but contributed to the perception that statisticians are soothsayers only with computers rather than crystal balls....
Nate Silver: Mostly I was getting credit for having pointed out the obvious and most of the rest was luck
My perfect 2012 forecast was fortuitous -- but contributed to the perception that statisticians are soothsayers
NATE SILVER
...I worry that certain events in my life have contributed to the hype cycle. On November 6, 2012, the statistical model at my website FiveThirtyEight called the winner of the American presidential election correctly in all 50 states. I received a congratulatory phone call from the White House. I was hailed as lord and god of the algorithm by The Daily Shows Jon Stewart. My name briefly received more Google search traffic than the Vice President of the United States.
I enjoyed some of the attention, but I felt like an outlier even a fluke. Mostly I was getting credit for having pointed out the obvious and most of the rest was luck.
To be sure, it was reasonably clear by Election Day that President Obama was poised to win reelection. When voters went to the polls on election morning, FiveThirtyEights statistical model put his chances of winning the Electoral College at about 90 percent. A 90 percent chance is not quite a sure thing: Would you board a plane if the pilot told you it had a 90 percent chance of landing successfully? But when theres only reputation rather than life or limb on the line, its a good bet. Obama needed to win only a handful of the swing states where he was tied or ahead in the polls; Mitt Romney would have had to win almost all of them.
But getting every state right was a stroke of luck. In our Election Day forecast, Obamas chance of winning Florida was just 50.3 percent the outcome was as random as a coin flip. Considering other states like Virginia, Ohio, Colorado and North Carolina, our chances of going 50-for-50 were only about 20 percent. FiveThirtyEights perfect forecast was fortuitous but contributed to the perception that statisticians are soothsayers only with computers rather than crystal balls....
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Thats what I keep trying to point out to the Left Leaning Independents on this board!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#76
No, I have a pretty low opinion of Public Policy Polling and people who put stock in their polls.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#9
Why don't you believe it to be the case? And what variables haven't they controlled for?
DanTex
Feb 2015
#25
Lets also remember how early it is, and how "meaningful" these things were in early 2007. (nt)
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#39
The results aren't crap. As long as you have results beyond the 5.6% margin of error
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#15
You're right, the number could be as low as 73.4% approval from Dems. Or as high as 84.6%.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#16
"PPP didn't poll DU or the outcome would have been significantly different! "
SidDithers
Feb 2015
#8
Or if one were to believe in fairytales...one might believe that DU is just like the rest of the
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#82
DU as children or childish, never! I mean that some democrats are gullible like children.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#88
It's simultaneously sad and comical how many recommendations the specious thread got./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#3
Am I correct in reading that "Base" is the raw data from those who answered the poll?
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#4
Its all they have....they are so desperate...they now are using the exact same tactics
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#84
Why would 20 people rec a thread that, deliberately or accidentally, misrepresents polling data?...
SidDithers
Feb 2015
#14
Okay at some point you need to decide if you feel the sample size is representative...
Agschmid
Feb 2015
#98
Well, I am not a hater, but if one polling company can come up with such diverse results,
MADem
Feb 2015
#36
My point is that NONE of them are "reputable" at this stage of the game. It's all bullshit and talk.
MADem
Feb 2015
#63
OK, so no polls showing Bernie Sanders ahead. As I thought. One check in my column.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#64
its not many or most Duers....its just a vocal minority of Left Leaning Independents...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#87
What Democrats on DU? You've told the majority of us we aren't Democrats, remember?
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#119
the POINT is....that misrepresenting the facts in order to substantiate a narrative...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2015
#86
Well, regardless of whether or not the person started that other thread on the basis of a
MADem
Feb 2015
#138
Actually, what I am is a person who is mightily sick of the bullshit tearing down I am seeing on DU.
MADem
Feb 2015
#43
The percentages aren't meaningless unless you read them incorrectly. On purpose.
DanTex
Feb 2015
#53
Where does the poster mention the party base? All I see on that document is 'base'.
Rex
Feb 2015
#65
Obama was guar-ON-TEEEEEEED to lose BIG to RMoney--Guar-ON-TEEEEEEED, I tellya!!!!!
MADem
Feb 2015
#130
If you start with a false premise, the blanks are filled in after one does the math.
MADem
Feb 2015
#135
Based on the two crosstabs posted Hillary is seen unfavorably by more "VOTERS"
Cosmic Kitten
Feb 2015
#111