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In reply to the discussion: 5 Reasons Why Leftists Should Defend Russia | New Eastern Outlook [View all]arendt
(5,078 posts)I just have three points:
1) "You don't give a shit about those people."
That is such projection. You are the one saying the future of the Ukraine under IMF rule is "not my concern". I have already called you out for that.
2) "If I have actual evidence..."
HAHAHAHAHA! The CIA invented the term "plausible deniability". They also gave "conspiracy theory" its modern meaning. The CIA has prosecuted a NYT reporter (James Reason) within an inch of jail for doing his job. Gary Webb reported the truth (as confirmed later in testimony to Congress) about CIA drug-running for the Contras. He instantly lost his job and was hounded to a suspicious (two bullets to the head) suicide.
But I, I who have thirty minutes a day to devote to politics, I am supposed to "prove it". Nobody ever proves anything about the CIA. I have a shelf of books that have tried. Not one CIA agent has been proven guilty of anything involved with running a coup. They only get prosecuted for on-the-job drunkenness, diverting funds (but only when they are the victim of internal maneuverings - because all black ops are funded by diverted funds), or spying for some other country.
The CIA itself called the press "its mighty Wurlitzer". They have the resources to contest everything, to invent a counter-reality, to run propaganda campaigns. My proof would be a pea-shooter vs tanks.
3) "As for the IMF, neither you nor I know how it will turn out."
Having dropped the veil for just a second, and admitted you the financial condition of Ukraine is "not my concern",
you realize that some "plausible deniability" for your callousness is required. So, you say:
As for the IMF, neither you nor I know how it will turn out. Who knows, maybe it will turn out bad, a la Greece. But we just don't know, and frankly that's far less of a factor to most Ukrainians as it is to people like you. (You are aware that the IMF has had a relationship with Ukraine since 1992, right? So we're not talking about something that is necessarily radically different at this point.)
Another laugher. "We just don't know." HAHAHAHA. You are channeling Condi Rice - "no one could possibly have anticipated..."
The IMF is as well known a loan sharking operation as the CIA is a coup-running operation. Go read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" if you have any doubts.
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As I said last post, we are done here. In my book you are a one-sided propagandist and peddler of plausible deniability. I offered you Ukranian patriot. You chose to respond to "neocon sock puppet". At least you chose honestly there. But, if you were JFK in the Cuban Missile crisis, we all would not be here today.
I will watch your impressive propaganda operation from afar in the future.