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appal_jack

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6. It's a bad law, being overly-broadly implemented.

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:57 PM

Feb 2015

If the 'logic' used by the ATF holds, this policy would ban all .308, 7.62x39, 45-70, etc.

Rifle-caliber 'handguns' (despite their legal classification as pistols, they all pretty much require two hands to operate) are a novelty more than a common item. Gun owners are right to oppose the ATF using this small class fo firearms to ban whole categories of very common and economical ammunition options.

One thing that the Rude One omits is that NATO countries are switching from m855 to m855A1. This means that a lot of cheap, surplus ammunition was about to become available. The gun grabbers hate shooting sports being affordable, it seems.

The 1986 law is clearly unconstitutional. Ronald Reagan liked those kinds of laws as a rule...

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The Rude Pundit - Gun Nuts Losing Their Goddamned Minds Over Proposed Bullet Ban [View all] meegbear Feb 2015 OP

K & R...for exposure...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2015 #1

I would like to see a $5-10 a bullet tax Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #89

Cool story bro. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #131

Perfect! marym625 Feb 2015 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #52

Puts them in prison for what? Being a dumb-ass is still legal. arcane1 Feb 2015 #53

a very weird little troll? marym625 Feb 2015 #55

very nice person Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #60

I'm going out on a limb here marym625 Feb 2015 #64

MIRT is good, MIRT is strong Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #65

MIRT! my favs! marym625 Feb 2015 #71

uhm. what? marym625 Feb 2015 #54

Pesky negro infringing on Constitutionally protected rednecks' rights. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #3

K & R.... dhill926 Feb 2015 #4

K&R for RP, as usual cyberswede Feb 2015 #5

It's a bad law, being overly-broadly implemented. appal_jack Feb 2015 #6

Unconstitutional? gratuitous Feb 2015 #7

Constitution says you can have guns. Doesn't say anything about bullets. nichomachus Feb 2015 #8

No - it says you can have arms hack89 Feb 2015 #9

I con't see the term "armor piercing" in the definition mikeysnot Feb 2015 #33

I don't have a real problem with this ban - it is political stupidity and ineffective but legal hack89 Feb 2015 #36

My comments were directed to the mistake belief that the 2A does not cover ammunition. mikeysnot Mar 2015 #97

and what ammunition would that be? (warning pictures of ammunition) NSFW Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #99

As long as your choices are informed hack89 Mar 2015 #101

Shhh...don't tell them ATF has walked this back. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #103

"(B) The term �armor piercing ammunition� means" Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #68

Se it can be used in a pistol... mikeysnot Mar 2015 #96

All 5.56 MM or .223 Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #98

So it is body armor piercing... mikeysnot Mar 2015 #105

Let me clarify further metalbot Mar 2015 #106

It doesn't. It is just stupid to focus on this particular bullet. hack89 Feb 2015 #11

seems like the manufacturers shot themselves in the foot when they produced these novelty guns.. frylock Feb 2015 #18

Many shooting enthusiasts have indeed been wary of the possibility. appal_jack Feb 2015 #24

WTF is wrong with gun humpers? Skittles Feb 2015 #28

Your wasting your time... mikeysnot Feb 2015 #34

my English relatives have asked me that question Skittles Feb 2015 #35

Sad isn't it mikeysnot Feb 2015 #37

what kills me (is that a pun?) Skittles Feb 2015 #38

308/7.62 AP is already banned. sir pball Feb 2015 #42

Sometimes you have to wonder if the ATF works for the NRA. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #10

Having a beer with the Rude One is on my bucket list. hifiguy Feb 2015 #12

Is this supposed to make us feel better when we lose more elections? Taitertots Feb 2015 #13

It's a win-win for the Turd Way-ers. appal_jack Feb 2015 #14

should the current law simply be ignored to appease people that likely will NEVER vote for a dem? frylock Feb 2015 #19

The law should be dismissed as unconstitutional. appal_jack Feb 2015 #41

LOL "a sensible reading of the 2nd Amendment" Skittles Feb 2015 #78

How do you read it? appal_jack Feb 2015 #80

you poor thing Skittles Feb 2015 #87

Whatever issues I may have, at least I'm not a condescending asshole. nt appal_jack Feb 2015 #88

actually, you are Skittles Feb 2015 #90

You didn't finish your thought there... appal_jack Mar 2015 #95

You're half right. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #107

Guess you'll just have to empathize with defeat instead. appal_jack Mar 2015 #108

I have long conceded that gun humping paranoid assholes have won Skittles Mar 2015 #118

The actual law says this: beevul Feb 2015 #43

Well of course it should discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #48

re: <CanWeGetASmileyOfSomeoneShootingHimselfInTheFoot> Electric Monk Feb 2015 #81

Highly amusing Matrosov Feb 2015 #15

Limited bans with specific purposes are constitutional hack89 Feb 2015 #16

it's the law.. frylock Feb 2015 #20

That is why banning this particular bullet is fine. hack89 Feb 2015 #21

On this, I respectfully disagree. appal_jack Feb 2015 #45

They like to claim "its the law"...but they're ignoring what the actual law says. beevul Feb 2015 #47

It's actually quite intriguing, given the recent rise of lead-free hunting bullets.. sir pball Feb 2015 #50

What .223 ammo or 5.56 ammo can't penetrate a vest? Savannahmann Feb 2015 #29

Limited declarations with specific statements are rational. Aldo Leopold Feb 2015 #23

They have M855 where you live, but nothing else? NickB79 Feb 2015 #31

knr frylock Feb 2015 #17

Flabby the Deaf Clown's Masturbatorium of Hate Aldo Leopold Feb 2015 #22

& now i can never read the name rush limbaugh again without it echoing in mine ears: NuttyFluffers Feb 2015 #46

I hope Rude will understand that I have already stolen that for my own twisted purposes. 47of74 Mar 2015 #93

Yah! shenmue Mar 2015 #102

Silly question Savannahmann Feb 2015 #25

K&R! n/t billh58 Feb 2015 #26

Except ALL commercial 5.56mm ammo will also penetrate police officer's vests NickB79 Feb 2015 #27

These delicate little flowers are always in a panic mwrguy Feb 2015 #30

Fear. It's how they live their lives notadmblnd Feb 2015 #32

DU's resident gun humpers in particular are pathetic beyond belief Skittles Feb 2015 #39

Pro gun Dems exist. Get use to it. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #49

this just shows again how firarms owners are treated here. Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #57

Not all firearms owners are "gun humpers". Not by a long shot. MH1 Feb 2015 #67

does not fit me Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #72

There are waaaaaay more DUers not blocked from GCRA than there are those blocked from it. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #82

most DU not go to your "safe haven" Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #84

How nice and civil of you Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #51

And somebody like alerting. I'm number one. bravenak Feb 2015 #56

so insults to fellow DU members are OK Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #58

Did we ban that word? bravenak Feb 2015 #59

Nope, but it just sinks to a low level Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #61

I think that you have a good point and that I need to keep that in mind in the future. bravenak Feb 2015 #62

Thank you Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #63

I think the fact that I live in a rural state like Alaska makes me not as anti gun. bravenak Feb 2015 #74

I feel very much the same way Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #75

Free/discounted safety gear actually makes sense. bravenak Feb 2015 #77

Funny, how you call people caring about their rights "delicate little fowers." appal_jack Feb 2015 #66

well I guess what ever floats their boat Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #73

It's a This Modern World reference Electric Monk Feb 2015 #83

another childish insult Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #85

Yup. No doubt this is a funny cartoon, but... appal_jack Feb 2015 #86

dup Skittles Mar 2015 #119

Brilliant marketing strategy by the bullet manufacturers to get people to buy up junk. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #40

I'm pretty sure you're actually quite right.. sir pball Feb 2015 #69

Brilliant strategy to get rid of useless ammo and jacking the price up all out of reason to boot. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #79

you have to BE stupid to be a gun humper Skittles Feb 2015 #76

If you say so... EX500rider Mar 2015 #130

k&r... spanone Feb 2015 #44

"gun fellating right" - LiberalElite Feb 2015 #70

cowards, every one of them Skittles Mar 2015 #109

The 'cowards' wrote to ATF and got the ban stopped. Your sort largely did nothing. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #112

"YOUR SORT" Skittles Mar 2015 #115

Yes, your sort. What did *your* email to the ATF say? How many others did you get to write them? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #132

dup Skittles Mar 2015 #116

Why do pro-gun control types always make tiny penis references? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #91

They are always thinking about my genitalia hack89 Mar 2015 #92

they have nothing else Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #100

It's twofold linuxman Mar 2015 #111

Awesome! You win this thread. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #114

When the shoe fits.................... anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #122

Well, I see you got all the talking points. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #123

Whatever anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #124

"my experience the vast majority of 'people' who own guns" beevul Mar 2015 #128

Wah! I want my Cha Mar 2015 #94

Wonder if they know almost all centerfire rifle rounds are "armor piercing" ileus Mar 2015 #104

They're not the ones who are "dumb". Cha Mar 2015 #117

LOL...cool story Cha. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #113

Rude Pundit: "Of course, the gun-fellating right has lost its mind over this proposal.." Cha Mar 2015 #120

"He doesn't think the ban will happen; however"... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #121

I wonder if the Rude Pundit... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #110

... meegbear Mar 2015 #126

Thanks. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #129

For those who are curious *why* the ban didn't fly benEzra Mar 2015 #125

"Flabby the Deaf Clown's Masturbatorium of Hate" FTW! KamaAina Mar 2015 #127