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59. There is a legal review in the Zimmerman case ...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:22 PM
Apr 2012

He has been arrested and will face proceedings. Admittedly this is the result of the media attention. In this case the media did a valuable service. While I maybe somewhat critical of the media's attempt to play both judge and jury in this case, their efforts might result in true justice.

I have often said that I feel that the wording of the law should be reconsidered and revised in order to eliminate ambiguity and confusion. I have also posted that any questionable case should be reviewed at a higher level than the local authorities in order to eliminate any questions such as racial bias.

You assert:

When you only have ONE side of the story every shooting can be justifiable and impossible, or next impossible to prosecute... why castle doctrine has it's place... so does legal review.


I actually agree. However there will be cases in which it is impossible to prove that as individual used legitimate self defense because of the lack of witnesses and evidence that would prove otherwise. In such incidents should the judge instruct the jury that since there are no witnesses and no evidence that the defendant is guilty? Under our system of justice that wouldn't fly because it is the prosecutor's job to prove the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt. What would you suggest? Perhaps you have a realistic solution to this conundrum. Admittedly some people may be able to get away with murder but is it far better to assume guilt and send an innocent person who used legitimate self defense to prison for a lengthy sentence because there merely were no witnesses or incriminating evidence? With evidence or witnesses the same shooting could have been determined to be legitimate self defense.

Yes, it is true that if a person breaks into your home while you are present, you have good reason to assume that he intends to far more than steal your valuables. Hence castle doctrine is fair and reasonable although some here will disagree. The fact remains that breaking into an unoccupied home is far different than invading a home when people are present. It is not all that difficult to find out if a home is occupied. (That doesn't mean that I would blow some teenager or even an older individual away because he broke into my home. If he followed my instructions, I would hold him for the police and if he ran out a door I would not shoot him.) I notice that you do support castle doctrine, however many question this law.

It is conceivable that a person might be on a street with a concealed carry permit and find himself under attack from an individual who intends to inflict serious injury or to kill. Requiring him to retreat before using his legally concealed weapon might well offer his attacker a significant advantage. While retreating or running away may be a viable tactic in many situations it might be a very poor choice in others. None of the techniques that I learned in the martial arts involved retreating. I have also found that my ability to accurately shoot diminishes significantly if I am backing up as opposed to standing still or advancing.

As far as Zimmerman losing his carry permit, I can offer no explanation. My daughter filed a restraining order against an individual who was stalking her. Because of a clerical error at the courthouse she received a notice from the state of Florida that required her to turn in her concealed weapons permit. She contacted the judge on the case and he rectified the error. Based on her experience, I suspect that Zimmerman might have received some unusual courtesy from the state.









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On Zimmy's statement to the court [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 OP
"Becoming paranoid". The country is awash in pure fear of the 'other'. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #1
Yeah I know... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #2
Get ready for the CCW fans to rip this thread apart Hugabear Apr 2012 #3
Oh I expect it. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #4
No we won't - there are so many examples of spontaneous mass shoot outs in theaters hack89 Apr 2012 #12
which makes it all the more stupid that he got out of his car and followed Trayvon magical thyme Apr 2012 #5
Agreed, I think they opened a few holes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #13
that's more than culture I think magical thyme Apr 2012 #17
Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #19
And he lied when he said he thought Martin was older. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #27
Zimmerman's side will tell you his gun saved his life. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #6
And everyone else will tell you Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his damned car Hugabear Apr 2012 #7
No shit Sherlock. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #8
They can and they do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #10
I remember that logic...We had to destroy the village to save it. A Simple Game Apr 2012 #20
Fear is an adrenaline high, an addiction. When it cycles down, one needs another fix to feel alive. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
What is funny is that this drug, and yes it is a drug, it is an adrenalin high nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #11
A variation of something I was thinking. 99Forever Apr 2012 #14
Yup, I have heard this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
"An armed society is a polite society." arely staircase Apr 2012 #31
Strange. I have a Concealed Weapons Permit and I don't think that everybody I see is armed. spin Apr 2012 #16
And per schedule HI nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #18
Just curious, since you are an ex-cop. zappaman Apr 2012 #22
We can argue about who is the most paranoid all day ... spin Apr 2012 #24
Neither am I, but I do not live in a state where my chances nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #26
As an ex-cop you should still qualify for one. Codeine Apr 2012 #40
Do me a favor, would you? 99Forever Apr 2012 #21
Since you live in Minnesota and I live in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #25
Or, as has been recently illustrated, if you are a young... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #28
What you fail to realize is that I am not Zimmerman ... spin Apr 2012 #29
I see... 99Forever Apr 2012 #30
Feel free to visit... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #32
Welcome to DU. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #33
Thanks.. AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #38
Reading skills are fundamental ... spin Apr 2012 #35
My "reading skills" are just fine, bud,... 99Forever Apr 2012 #36
Let's look at some facts and statistics ... spin Apr 2012 #37
Facts and statistics... 99Forever Apr 2012 #39
It's the equivalent of admitting you are wrong... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #41
Exactly. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #43
That isn't what I said.. 99Forever Apr 2012 #46
Like many who oppose concealed carry ... spin Apr 2012 #42
Human nature being what it is, I actually agree with this. Good point Nadin nt riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #23
How do we protect ourselves from this group of people who are now walking Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #34
Over 800,000 citizens have concealed weapons permits in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #44
Who is going to be left alive to define if an attack is provoked? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #45
I walk by cameras all the time ... spin Apr 2012 #47
You don't represent everyone who carries, do you spin? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #48
Zimmerman hardly represents the majority of people ... spin Apr 2012 #49
Well, we don't know it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #50
Two things on this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #51
If you you said was true ... spin Apr 2012 #53
Was George Zimmerman's permit pulled off when nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #54
Is the fact that JUSTIFIED shooting has increased 25% a terrible thing? spin Apr 2012 #56
Here is the problem you are having nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #57
There is a legal review in the Zimmerman case ... spin Apr 2012 #59
Oh com'on there is legal review ONLY after massive national nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #60
If you carefully read my post you will find that we agree on this point... spin Apr 2012 #61
What you ignore is the number of lives that are saved because a person with a carry permit ... spin Apr 2012 #55
Zimmy was lying: ""I thought Trayvon was slightly younger than me..." pokerfan Apr 2012 #52
Swill pipoman Apr 2012 #58
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