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54. "better in any way"...

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:20 PM

Feb 2015

... not much of a standard. So you'd vote for a child molester over a child pornographer? I'm not voting for either.

Just so you understand - people vote in their own self interest generally. Now, its clear that some people don't know what that is, and there isn't much anyone can do about it.

But voting for another third way corporatist "Democrat" (in name only) isn't in the cards for me. The idea that my choice is between one asshole who will be actively working against my interests, or another asshole supposedly in a different party actively working against my interests is bullshit. I don't have to vote for either of them and I won't.

Along with my position let me suggest you let go of outmoded thinking. It is not a battle between the Republicans and the Democrats, it is a battle between the 1% and everyone else. I'm not voting for anyone beholden to the 1%. Ever. Again.

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Do NOT call yourself left in any degree if you say you wont vote against the terrorists. [View all] randys1 Feb 2015 OP

Please post a link to what you're talking about. n/t leveymg Feb 2015 #1

This board is full of threads today by those alleging they are on the left randys1 Feb 2015 #2

My left can beat up your left AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #27

I agree we must remove the traitors! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #94

Yes, but how does not wanting Hillary tie into your OP? peacebird Feb 2015 #130

I dont want her either, my point is if that is our choice, a rightwing racist asshole who I call randys1 Feb 2015 #133

That is not our choice. We don't know who will announce yet. Once we have candidates announced peacebird Feb 2015 #135

If we keep putting off nominating "actual liberals", though, we'll never GET to that day. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #237

Its about people on DU who call themselves "Left" and Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #4

I have never sat out an election and never will. hifiguy Feb 2015 #9

If the Democrats select Hillary Clinton in the primary... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #19

It's very simple, unless hifiguy and others are actually 'swing voters' who KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #41

And I am asking them....do they support the decision of their fellow Democrats or not? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #47

You appear to be very black and white on this issue, so I have a question for you... bluesbassman Feb 2015 #71

Yes I am very Black and White on the subject of Democratic Party loyalty! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #91

So basically you have no bar except a "D" at the end of a name. bluesbassman Feb 2015 #137

Don't expect a response anytime soon. Quackers Feb 2015 #138

Thanks for the heads up. bluesbassman Feb 2015 #141

I've become a voter 840high Feb 2015 #145

but what if Hillary were to come out and say she will implement single payer... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #92

All good issues to hear positive statements from a candidate. bluesbassman Feb 2015 #139

So it's that old right wing meme huh? Caretha Feb 2015 #235

BAWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! davidpdx Mar 2015 #236

Will they do so while crowing "PARTY UNITY MY ASS!"? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #80

They are suspicious and must be dealt with! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #95

Terrible. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #113

No. Dissent is democratic, but pledging not to vote for the Democratic nominee BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #208

Of course, down with dissidents! FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #209

Ugh, Katashi... BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #215

As a Apparatchik for our glorious Democratic Party you must learn Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #221

... BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #223

I won't sit out. I also 840high Feb 2015 #144

I'm one of those you are talking about. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #177

... dissentient Feb 2015 #3

you don't get to decide what people call themselves TheSarcastinator Feb 2015 #5

You are right, people can call themselves flying monkey's or toaster ovens, as well, if they want randys1 Feb 2015 #6

There are people on DU telling people not to vote? arcane1 Feb 2015 #11

God damn you are getting good at this, take training have you? randys1 Feb 2015 #13

So, no links then? No links to back up your slander? arcane1 Feb 2015 #15

Just an entire board of post after post of people saying Hillary is the SAME as the cons randys1 Feb 2015 #17

More baseless smears. arcane1 Feb 2015 #32

Why are you here at a board dedicated to the Democratic Party and it's candidates? randys1 Feb 2015 #34

"Randys1 sez" is not the same as "establishing." Scootaloo Feb 2015 #81

What is your basis for slandering me as "anti Democratic Party"? Nothing. arcane1 Feb 2015 #85

Some people don't like her, period AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #33

Then links should be plentiful for you to provide Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #42

Oh come on! Why can't you just have blind faith? Rex Feb 2015 #82

YES! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #48

Where?? Last I heard, it's a ban-able offense. If these posts stand, I want to see them. arcane1 Feb 2015 #62

You must not be paying attention....I argue with those with that position on DU all day every day... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #64

I'm just saying I've not seen it, and would like to. arcane1 Feb 2015 #65

Well keep your eyes open....it is here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #66

It's as if they expect you to do their homework for them. Rex Feb 2015 #83

I call BS on the claim that people here are telling others not to vote . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #100

The way propaganda works is clear to me, as I have been around for a while randys1 Feb 2015 #103

By that standard . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #132

Calling out hypocrisy and corporate candidates is something i do all day everyday randys1 Feb 2015 #134

Indeed -- I may be stuck with her too . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #142

and you'll get herded into Cuomo after that and some Bayh clone after that, and another corporatist TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #168

When does this happen, all I ever see is you demanding fealty to corporate Democrats. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #169

Your awesome! You are excellent at showing rampant hypocrisy and what voting for Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #232

So sayeth the Final Arbiter of What Left Means. arcane1 Feb 2015 #7

This is embarrassing that you would post that on a Democratic message board, it really is. randys1 Feb 2015 #10

I thought the same way about the OP n/t arcane1 Feb 2015 #12

the ironing is delicious frylock Feb 2015 #43

You are either with us or with the terrorists Mnpaul Feb 2015 #183

So The Far Left� is relevant enough to effect elections now? frylock Feb 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #16

Indeed frylock Feb 2015 #18

It should really be embarressing by now for them to keep lying like that all the time. Rex Feb 2015 #84

No. Not at all, thanks to minorities who fill in that gap. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #214

It is up to the candidate to convince the people of their merit as a candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #14

The third way is to claim both. GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #24

"Not as bad" is a piss poor campaign slogan or form of government. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #30

No longer acceptable 840high Feb 2015 #154

Right because the "Far Left" doesn't call other Democrats names right? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49

oh my.... 2banon Feb 2015 #20

I do vote against them Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #21

This person says it better than I can... randys1 Feb 2015 #23

Threads like this do nothing to entice me to vote for the big "D" think Feb 2015 #22

... randys1 Feb 2015 #25

Much Better. TY /nt think Feb 2015 #29

Good, so I can count on your vote now no matter who the nominee is randys1 Feb 2015 #31

If they nominated Joe Lieberman AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #35

It depends on if they were better in ANY way over the alternative, before I moved to CR to randys1 Feb 2015 #37

So if Millers farts smelled less sulfurous than Lieberman's AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #39

"better in any way"... sendero Feb 2015 #54

Me too. bravenak Feb 2015 #105

No. Blindly supporting a party candidate without considering the issues isn't rational IMO. But think Feb 2015 #46

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #50

Is this behavior representative of what a true Democrat acts like? think Feb 2015 #52

Behavior representative of a Democrat is one that respects and supports the decision of their VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #58

So don't.. vote for the big R.. or stay home like the Dems who did in the 2010 and 2014 Midterms. Cha Feb 2015 #87

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #146

If you support Hillary you're not left obxhead Feb 2015 #26

... randys1 Feb 2015 #28

You are so 'far left' that AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #38

Yeah, I responded in that one too. obxhead Feb 2015 #74

54% of potential Democratic primary voters think she's the best candidate muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #40

So the msm that gets nearly everything wrong obxhead Feb 2015 #73

Do you mean you're wishing the numbers away? A reverse tinkerbell? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #75

Bwahahahahahaha obxhead Feb 2015 #86

It's a very recent poll muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #88

Do you realize how strongly you support the right? obxhead Feb 2015 #129

I haven't said I support Hillary, let alone the right muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #140

Thats funny since 61% of Democrats DO support her... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #51

Forty percent of the party isn't "a few rabble rousers." Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #63

It's not funny at all. obxhead Feb 2015 #72

I am Hillary supporter and not a 1 percenter. You don't know what you are talking about. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #155

I know exactly what I'm talking about. obxhead Feb 2015 #157

I have never voted for a republican in my life. You really do not know whst you are talking about. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #159

I didn't claim you have. obxhead Feb 2015 #164

I am not eloquent enough or have the info to go through a list but I disagree with you hrmjustin Feb 2015 #165

Wow. This isn't about how well one can write or speak. obxhead Feb 2015 #170

Not if you are going to speak with such disrepect. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #171

I apologize. obxhead Feb 2015 #172

She will raise the minimum wage and raise taxes on the rich to pay for social programs. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #173

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA obxhead Feb 2015 #175

Voters like me? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #176

Yes obxhead Feb 2015 #178

Well since you feel the need to insult me I see no reason to continue. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #179

Yes, obxhead Feb 2015 #180

I have been fighting for the cause thank you very much. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #181

*yawn* Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #36

Yeah but we get kool leather jackets and learn gang signs. Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #44

Vote against the "terrorists"? SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #45

Yep. It is disgusting. Proving, yet again, th word has Luminous Animal Feb 2015 #53

...... Sherman A1 Feb 2015 #55

Your personel opinion. demosincebirth Feb 2015 #56

Isn't it a bit early in the season for Loyalty Oaths and Groupthink? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #57

Until everyone gets their bar codes, this is the only way Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #59

Do NOT tell me what to call myself. You are the definition of arrogance. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #60

This is so stupid it was painful to read. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #61

Stupid and painful? Really, a board DEDICATED to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY with post after randys1 Feb 2015 #70

"Vote for us. We're not as bad as the other guys." alarimer Feb 2015 #67

I'd say don't pretend you're a socialist if you vote for corporatists. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #68

Wow MissDeeds Feb 2015 #69

You can't tell me what to do nichomachus Feb 2015 #76

Silly, H2O Man Feb 2015 #77

During the primary fight for your dem gwheezie Feb 2015 #78

Bahahaha F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #79

+1000 Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #89

I thought it was just me and a few other 'rabble rousers'. bravenak Feb 2015 #163

You saw Aaron Dixon!!! LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #229

I want to thank you for making me feel like I stepped back to the 1930s. Where swearing party Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #90

More Hillary hate on a Democratic message board, sigh randys1 Feb 2015 #96

Not at all! I see all your points. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #98

So what? She hasn't even 840high Feb 2015 #150

VICTORY OVER THE LEFTIST TRAITORS! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #93

More hatred of the likely leader of the Democratic Party....sigh randys1 Feb 2015 #97

Again, nothing to do with Hillary. I think where your taking the democratic party Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #99

MOre HIllary hate randys1 Feb 2015 #101

Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #102

More Hillary Hate... randys1 Feb 2015 #104

Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #106

Both parties are the same, remember that... randys1 Feb 2015 #107

Teabaggers make their faithful swear fealty too. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #108

Both parties are the same, CPAC and Democratic party, same thing... randys1 Feb 2015 #109

If you say so comrade. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #110

You will have to excuse me for a moment, I am on a rightwing board arguing with a teapartier randys1 Feb 2015 #111

Is that what you say you are? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #112

Straw man, no person has more issues with mainstream politicians than I do. Difference randys1 Feb 2015 #114

So it's your best friends are minorities sort of thing. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #115

Yes, some of my best friends are Women randys1 Feb 2015 #116

Nice of you Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #117

Some of them right now cant find a clinic to get a safe abortion, in certain states. randys1 Feb 2015 #118

Your just awesome! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #119

No, I am not...do you spend this much time every day arguing with someone who randys1 Feb 2015 #120

No I don't. I own my own company, it's my time. You simply stand out as a beacon of the party's Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #121

More Hillary hate on a Democratic message board, sigh randys1 Feb 2015 #123

Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #125

'I am not that interested in the Dem party' Rex Feb 2015 #148

George Takei weighs in on the OP. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #122

I wonder who a Gay man who was put in an internment camp when he was 5 yrs old randys1 Feb 2015 #124

You have a point? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #127

Thanks, Vanilla Randys1. Much appreciated. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #126

I am randys1, arbitrator of all things Democratic!!! Lurks Often Feb 2015 #128

One Hour of Music - Soviet Communist Music Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #131

This is just laughably transparent and bad. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #136

. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #143

This ranty little authoritarian crap is just silly. djean111 Feb 2015 #147

It's their way of bashing DU and DUers without getting banned. Rex Feb 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Feb 2015 #152

They won't sway me. 840high Feb 2015 #153

+1 darkangel218 Feb 2015 #166

Totally agree OP workinclasszero Feb 2015 #151

Get a better candidate then. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #156

It will be great after the nomination to come to DU workinclasszero Feb 2015 #158

Discredit and Crush the Dissenters! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #160

so we can't call ourselves left if we don't vote m-lekktor Feb 2015 #161

It's not about ideals or belief systems anymore. It's only about winning. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #162

I can't believe it was alerted on, but this thread struck a nerve with somebody: Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #167

Of course it was...Their sole agenda is to get you not to vote. randys1 Feb 2015 #185

It won't work on me Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #224

Appreciate the comments, we will all keep up the good fight... randys1 Feb 2015 #225

Lived in Sacto in late 70's early 80's, went to A's games constantly and couple Raiders randys1 Feb 2015 #226

You know threads like this accomplish nothing, right? Marrah_G Feb 2015 #174

I disagree, i believe there is an agenda on the right, that exists here on DU to get randys1 Feb 2015 #186

A very big portion of those not wanting Clinton have been here a long time Marrah_G Feb 2015 #230

He seems very........................angry. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #233

Very well said Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #234

Agree. betsuni Feb 2015 #182

they hate Hillary more than they love America Skittles Feb 2015 #184

lol! Oh boy! HappyMe Feb 2015 #187

The depth of your insult, to someone who spent 13 months wondering if his step son would randys1 Feb 2015 #188

My step son served in Afghanistan. HappyMe Feb 2015 #189

Bullshit and you know it... randys1 Feb 2015 #190

It isn't bullshit. HappyMe Feb 2015 #195

I served in Afghanistan and I find your comments here to other GGJohn Feb 2015 #191

Of course you do, you always attack me, every single time you see me post, big surprise LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #192

No, I only question your bona fides when I see this kind of crap posted by you. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #193

What?? You question if I am telling the truth about what? Spell it out or take it back randys1 Feb 2015 #194

I think I was quite clear on my statement. GGJohn Feb 2015 #196

So you are calling me a liar. randys1 Feb 2015 #198

Take it anyway you want. GGJohn Feb 2015 #199

Ahh, good ole DU, you call me a liar and 6 out of 7 see no problem with it randys1 Feb 2015 #203

Maybe the problem isn't others, GGJohn Feb 2015 #207

LOL oh my god, I have problems, for sure, but promoting voting rights isnt one of them randys1 Feb 2015 #211

Nobody called you a liar. HappyMe Feb 2015 #210

GG john did and refused to take it back or prove it, read the damn thread randys1 Feb 2015 #212

Reading comprehension is your friend. GGJohn Feb 2015 #213

You, questioning MY liberal credentials YOU LOL oh my god, thank you for that laugh, seriously randys1 Feb 2015 #216

Ahh, there's that unreasonable anger again towards those that you disagree with. GGJohn Feb 2015 #218

Thanks for your service. randys1 Feb 2015 #220

Thank you. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #222

One other thing. GGJohn Feb 2015 #219

Must be exhausting to be you SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #228

I read the damn thread. HappyMe Feb 2015 #217

Waiting...are you going to take that back? randys1 Feb 2015 #197

You can wait until hell freezes over for all I care. GGJohn Feb 2015 #200

I would like to believe that but for now I dont... randys1 Feb 2015 #204

Believe whatever the hell you want, GGJohn Feb 2015 #205

As an Apparatchik for our glorious Democratic Party, dealing with foul dissidents is an ongoing Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #206

Someone has a sad. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #202

Someone is a sad. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #231

+10000! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #201

all this anger because someone labels themselves as "left" . . . without your permission? DrDan Feb 2015 #227

Yep. For every truly liberal person trying to restore democracy, liberty & our natural world. raouldukelives Mar 2015 #238