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GREENWALD: WHY DOES FBI MANUFACTURE ITS OWN PLOTS IF TERRORISM & ISIS ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS? [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 OP

Exactly. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2015 #1

WHY DOES GREENWALD MANUFACTURE HIS OWN CONSPIRACIES IF NSA AND FBI ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS? uhnope Feb 2015 #80

Have you a clue who the Miami 5 are? Just one example. Go scream at someone else. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2015 #89

a boy band? uhnope Feb 2015 #91

Nice attempt at Wiki-asscovering, but you looked up the wrong thing. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #178

the newburgh sting tiny elvis Feb 2015 #115

Don't know, but anyone who would fall for that shit shouldn't be on the street in the first place. DescendantOfMany Feb 2015 #2

But many do nichomachus Feb 2015 #4

Folks egging people on Aerows Feb 2015 #57

Whoever asks someone to 'blow some shit up' shouldn't be on the street either. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #170

It got the terrorists, uh I mean teaparty, to vote to fund DHS at least randys1 Feb 2015 #3

Does that mean I can take my skin cream on board in my carry-on while the JDPriestly Feb 2015 #44

Isnt there a new streamline boarding thing you can buy that allows you to bypass a lot of the randys1 Feb 2015 #49

I see you've passed Aerows Feb 2015 #64

Trying to be lighthearted, but thanks for the insult randys1 Feb 2015 #69

Not really Aerows Feb 2015 #70

my bad then...i like your pic sig randys1 Feb 2015 #72

Thanks Aerows Feb 2015 #76

Well, that escalated and de-escalated rather quickly. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #138

Um, I know this guy ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #137

wish I could rec a hundred times grasswire Feb 2015 #5

Keep Fear Alive Laughing Mirror Feb 2015 #6

the real purpose grasswire Feb 2015 #7

More apologia for extremism, and more West-blaming Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #8

You approve of the FBI's methods mentioned in the OP? nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #9

I don't approve of Greenwald's slanted framing of them Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #10

speaking of ongoing patterns.......nt grasswire Feb 2015 #12

Just remaining as constant as the North Star Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #13

criticizing Greenwald for "constant pattern".. grasswire Feb 2015 #14

The North Star isn't a constant. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #106

Hah! You damned literalist! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #181

How about a different author and 3 years ago? A Simple Game Feb 2015 #27

I was about to post that. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #134

As soon as that got brought up Aerows Feb 2015 #142

Yep..I noticed that too. 2banon Feb 2015 #151

They are always Aerows Feb 2015 #152

Please carefully explain Greenwald's slanted framing. Thank you in advance. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2015 #34

The FBI has been doing this for years WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2015 #48

it's common knowlege for anyone paying attention G_j Feb 2015 #86

I'm thinking you must have been born yesterday, yes? 2banon Feb 2015 #133

No surprise you are defending this crap. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #135

With the way things are going over at The Intercept, I suppose he feels a need to publish now MADem Feb 2015 #154

I think you need to spend less time reflexively defending authority and Marr Feb 2015 #179

You knew I'd show up asking about the links you brought up, the links showing Greenwald lies. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #15

Look at the article. It's full of Greenwald's interpretation. randome Feb 2015 #16

How dare he put a negative slant zeemike Feb 2015 #30

That's all he does, though, is my point. randome Feb 2015 #52

That is a strong statement. zeemike Feb 2015 #56

Of course you should suspect anything you read on the Internet. randome Feb 2015 #60

Well you have an agenda too. zeemike Feb 2015 #83

lol. Just a little paranoid uhnope Feb 2015 #93

Talk about deflection. zeemike Feb 2015 #104

Speaking Aerows Feb 2015 #122

Would you give an example of a negative slant of his that should be portrayed in a more favorable... ret5hd Feb 2015 #58

It's not a question of negative versus positive. randome Feb 2015 #61

"It's not a question of negative versus positive." said the guy who also said "He puts a negative .. Scuba Feb 2015 #124

See, you're willing to take whatever Greenwald says as gospel. randome Feb 2015 #130

I'm assuming you are going to stay as far away from this post Aerows Feb 2015 #141

Did I ever say that law enforcement does not abuse its authority? randome Feb 2015 #149

Respond to the NY Times article Aerows Feb 2015 #150

Respond to what? I already said law enforcement sometimes goes overboard. randome Feb 2015 #153

See? More equivocation Aerows Feb 2015 #155

How can I agree or disagree when I don't have the full story? randome Feb 2015 #157

Here we are Aerows Feb 2015 #160

pwmom's post # 42 does not address the question, it just picks apart one incident. Scuba Feb 2015 #146

The post clearly shows that the suspect openly admitted he wanted to shoot Obama. randome Feb 2015 #148

Hmmmm. Aerows Feb 2015 #156

What about all the other plots the FBI concocted? Why do they do this? Scuba Feb 2015 #159

'All the other' is a pretty wide range. randome Feb 2015 #161

The FBI is cooking up plots to keep us fearful. Your authoritarian perspective on it was expected. Scuba Feb 2015 #162

And to keep their funding Aerows Feb 2015 #165

Lol, all those awards he's racking up, two Academies, one Pulitzer, one Directors' Guild Award so sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #167

Let me put it another way. randome Feb 2015 #54

I have heard all of that before...it is repeated all the time. zeemike Feb 2015 #59

No, you want a Public Relations stooge to sell a rationalization TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #108

Nailed it! n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #143

Thank you! TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #171

That is incorrect because what he's talking about doesn't only pertain to foreign communications. Vattel Feb 2015 #116

It does or he fails to even address the point, leaving his readers to assume the worst. randome Feb 2015 #131

Just so happens criteria, routing, and cooperative intelligence set up this to include TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #173

Agreed this needs to be more closely looked at. No problems here. randome Feb 2015 #174

Questionable? The facts aren't even debated, you are dancing on a mote of dust in the air. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #176

Here's the link from pnwmom's post #42. randome Feb 2015 #185

A reason in this situation does not square the practices generally or even make them acceptable TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #187

How much more plain do I need to make it? randome Feb 2015 #188

how's this uhnope Feb 2015 #17

Thank you for the reply. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #51

sensational claims in Greenwald's headlines are never backed up by the article. that's called lying uhnope Feb 2015 #74

First, I didn't say Snowden was lying. I don't think he was. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #85

Uh, yeah, and then there's the whole 'cui bono?' (who benefits?) thing to KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #182

Greenwald is Alex Jones dressed up for respectable folks uhnope Feb 2015 #18

I don't see that in there. lark Feb 2015 #23

Typical quick retort and a few non-sequitor followups erronis Feb 2015 #45

!! grasswire Feb 2015 #96

If the shoe fits, wear it. Greenwald makes a good point. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #46

Damn, but I wish you would replace Comey as FBI Director. Your post is the most KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #183

succinct quote from the comments section grasswire Feb 2015 #11

These stings serve a very good purpose. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #19

Perhaps, but I kinda doubt it 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #21

What I'm saying is this makes the smarter ones less likely to geek tragedy Feb 2015 #22

....the smart ones might be unlikely to seek our violent outlets for their frustrations anyway.... Adam051188 Feb 2015 #25

unfortunately, intelligence and psychopathy are not negatively correlated nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #26

depends on your definition of intelligence Adam051188 Feb 2015 #28

Excellent question... ret5hd Feb 2015 #68

They may not be of above-average intelligence but dollars to doughnuts, I'll bet KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #184

If they were really 'smart' 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #31

cunning is a different attribute than enlightenment nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #38

There is solid law around "entrapment" jberryhill Feb 2015 #81

Well, yes and no. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #84

That risk in your second paragraph doesn't seem to have happened jberryhill Feb 2015 #92

Mentally unstable people need help, not entrapment into committing crimes 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #95

well said! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #117

That doesn't answer the question jberryhill Feb 2015 #119

Principle or Practice? It's your question, not mine. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #120

I'm just trying to figure out jberryhill Feb 2015 #126

I think it's a slippery slope 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #144

Good points jberryhill Feb 2015 #145

the kgb is my favorite government agency. Adam051188 Feb 2015 #24

We should always doubt it. Orsino Feb 2015 #128

A high-double-digit IQ is not going to fall for the FBI's honey traps. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #47

but they're also then going to be more difficult to recruit because they'll geek tragedy Feb 2015 #78

How about the people who did absolutely nothing wrong? Mnpaul Feb 2015 #114

by this logic we should entrap everyone on everything citing "a common purpose." nashville_brook Feb 2015 #65

No, just those who want to commit acts of terrorism. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #79

The law on entrapment is more demanding than that jberryhill Feb 2015 #82

we only break the law so we can enforce the law Adam051188 Feb 2015 #20

Nope it is how it ends...if history is the predictor. zeemike Feb 2015 #36

COINTELPRO by any other name, smells just as putrid nt MrScorpio Feb 2015 #29

More terror apologia from the man who thinks Matt Hale, white supremacist, is wrongly imprisoned.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #32

Killing the messenger much? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #37

Do you really think, after your last self-deleted OP, that you should be trying to engage me? msanthrope Feb 2015 #43

Someone who threatens the president or shoots random officers should JDPriestly Feb 2015 #50

Indeed....and sometimes, cops use people who have already done crimes to catch others, or to msanthrope Feb 2015 #53

I will engage you whenever I want. If you don't like it, please put me on 'ignore' already. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #63

Did you just use airquotes around the word "racist?" Wow. As for your point about msanthrope Feb 2015 #71

More smearing from the person who suggested a Jewish man was a Nazi sympathizer. Marr Feb 2015 #180

Mr. Greenwald called two Orthodox Jewish teens and an msanthrope Feb 2015 #186

You don't even understand why your Nazi smear is particularly offensive, do you? Marr Feb 2015 #189

Smear? Did Mr. Greenwald defend Matt Hale, white supremacist, or not? msanthrope Feb 2015 #190

How? Like this: Marr Feb 2015 #191

Well, you can put me on ignore if you don't like reading what I have to write msanthrope Feb 2015 #193

If anyone could discover why plots would be created then Greenwald would be ace #1. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #33

People who are afraid are more willing to give up their freedom to someone who claims Maedhros Feb 2015 #35

Greenwald stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #39

Same reason the Flt 77 hijackers couldn't have done it without money from the Saudi Ambassadors wife leveymg Feb 2015 #40

I've wondered that myself. What do they gain by goading people into doing criminal acts? Rex Feb 2015 #41

it's PR, plain and simple. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #66

Strange? Not if you are trying to protect your paycheck. (nt) ret5hd Feb 2015 #73

job security grasswire Feb 2015 #97

"Adrift unemployed loner" with no connections with known terrorist groups unfortunately can describe pnwmom Feb 2015 #42

Too bad Greenwald couldn't be bothered to do as much research as pnwmom on DU. randome Feb 2015 #55

this article doesn't even say that Juraboev made that alleged threat. grasswire Feb 2015 #98

Talk about weasel words. Did you miss this part? pnwmom Feb 2015 #100

well maybe.... wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #62

Bookmarked. Thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #67

Good one! CanSocDem Feb 2015 #127

GESTAPO must get paid. Octafish Feb 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Feb 2015 #77

I guess hassling environmentalists grntuscarora Feb 2015 #87

precisely. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #94

It is flypaper for potentially dangerous people. I'm not too bothered by it. Throd Feb 2015 #88

Really? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #102

Are they all mentally unstable? Throd Feb 2015 #105

Essentially, you are OK with people being imprisoned for radical politics.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #107

No. I care about their actions, not their politics. Throd Feb 2015 #109

But that's the thing: there WERE no actions. Maedhros Feb 2015 #110

And that is where it gets difficult. Throd Feb 2015 #111

Minority Report. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #140

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #113

They have to justify their budget. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #90

Bingo Aerows Feb 2015 #163

Damn Greenwald, why won't he let them plot their own terror attacks and blame them on sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #99

Absolutely! Greenwald needs to 'learn his place' or shut the f*ck up. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #101

Well you know how much 'craves ATTENTION'. Though I have to say, before they started attacking him sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #118

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #147

FBI doesn't want their funding cut. nt valerief Feb 2015 #103

good question. and why do all the international terrorists have british and american accents? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #112

Let's not go there Aerows Feb 2015 #123

For people outside the western media bubble CJCRANE Feb 2015 #125

Remember when British soldiers dressed up like Iraqis in Iraq and blew up a sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #166

vaguely. but false flag terrorism isn't that uncommon. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #168

Yes, it's not at all uncommon. The incident I referred to happened in Basra. When they British sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #177

I can't take anyone Aerows Feb 2015 #121

K&R GoneFishin Feb 2015 #129

This has happened time and time again, could smell that old stinky fish wafting 2banon Feb 2015 #132

It's quite lucrative. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #136

Blatant Entrapment Martin Eden Feb 2015 #139

I cannot take anyone seriously Aerows Feb 2015 #158

+100 Thanks for the link -nt- 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #164

Because their Saudi masters told them "Hands off our boys" McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #169

Huge K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #172

"the three men do not appear to be" treestar Feb 2015 #175

It sounds as though you've never read any of his work. elias49 Feb 2015 #192

YES! randome Mar 2015 #196

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #194

Where do these guys go after we arrest them? Bradical79 Mar 2015 #195