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niyad

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8. obscene. how much "work" could the child possibly have to make up being one minute late?

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:40 PM

Feb 2015

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The superintendent of the school, John Higgins, and principal Missy Fitzsimmons began receiving threatening and harassing phone calls because of the photo. Higgins explained to Newswatch 12 that she believes students get caught up on missed work in the program. However, on Thursday, they opted to change the punishment.

"What I see (in the original Facebook picture) is a reason for us to take a closer look and see if there's a better way to structure this learning time, so that we can get kids caught up so that there's no actual or perceived isolation or stigmatizing," said Higgins. "I think the emotional reaction would've been like any parent whenever you see a child in a unique learning environment, and it's your child, (it) can trigger some questions."

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Oregon first-grader humiliated by school�s punishment after being 1 minute late to class [View all] Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP

Fire the person who thought this up. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #1

it was the principal geek tragedy Feb 2015 #7

This guy? KamaAina Feb 2015 #13

You'd better hide that before Skinner sees it tularetom Feb 2015 #63

Or Sid KamaAina Feb 2015 #64

This is a classic case of punishing the child for the parent's issue Wella Feb 2015 #211

She should be fired for using an educational support tool for punishment. msanthrope Feb 2015 #76

Put the principal in the corner to eat lunch, alone for a month. The child shouldn't be punished appalachiablue Feb 2015 #202

And make him/her eat school lunch. KamaAina Feb 2015 #213

Indeed. And write on the blackboard, 'I am a bad principal' 50 times every day. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #214

50 times?! Wuss. KamaAina Mar 2015 #251

Yes, for 60 seconds late. Dear child, just look at that photo- with the 'screen' put up to appalachiablue Mar 2015 #252

Agreed. hifiguy Feb 2015 #42

How many times is it acceptable? Oktober Feb 2015 #96

So we punish the child for the mother's problems. LakeVermilion Feb 2015 #138

So they should let every parent in the school... Oktober Feb 2015 #141

Hopefully not. The kids whose parents are selfish, prayin4rain Feb 2015 #146

The school has no authority to influence the behavior of the parents... Oktober Feb 2015 #149

Oh, I thought you were saying that it makes prayin4rain Feb 2015 #155

If option B is punishment by public humiliation, yes, they should Scootaloo Feb 2015 #151

Got it... Oktober Feb 2015 #163

Treating a first-grader like a leper addresses the problem? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #166

If the parents stop dropping him off late... Oktober Feb 2015 #167

Ends justify the means. Even if the means are child abuse. What a progressive stance Scootaloo Feb 2015 #168

Using that logic then no punishment is acceptable... Oktober Feb 2015 #169

Intimidation and denigration is totally appropriate for being late Scootaloo Feb 2015 #172

Or you can just teach them the importance of punctuality... Oktober Feb 2015 #173

I'm agreeing with you. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #175

As opposed to your proposed plan... Oktober Feb 2015 #177

I didn't propose a plan. I'm simply expressing disgust with yours Scootaloo Feb 2015 #182

Remember what we discussed with the drama bit...? Oktober Feb 2015 #187

Ah yes, suggesting a child write sentences, if they're intentionally tardy. What high drama. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #191

I was referring to the sadism, supermax and Judge Dredd bit... Oktober Feb 2015 #197

You're confusing mockery with drama Scootaloo Feb 2015 #198

Just to recap... Oktober Feb 2015 #200

One more thing Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #226

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #247

Check the mirror... Thor_MN Feb 2015 #181

Did you have a thought to complete that...? Oktober Feb 2015 #184

Yes, but it's the same as your question. Thor_MN Feb 2015 #186

Must be tough to live in a world to which there only two solutions to any given problem. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #253

Seriously! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #246

So unbelievably tragic and horrible. zappaman Feb 2015 #2

i assume you approve? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #3

that particular poster has long been devoid of empathy, insight, and basic humanity.... villager Feb 2015 #6

Awwww...you're cute. zappaman Feb 2015 #17

First graders tend to be cuter. Hence I'm not down w/ the same kinds of institutional abuse you are. villager Feb 2015 #23

Don't sell yourself short. zappaman Feb 2015 #24

I guess that's why we're both on opposite sides of this issue from you! villager Feb 2015 #26

zappaman, why would you consider that an acceptable form of behavior modification Skittles Feb 2015 #62

Nope. zappaman Feb 2015 #65

I'm not a big fan of people posting everything on the internet Skittles Feb 2015 #69

I'm not a big fan of her habitually bringing the kid late for years (same as the year before) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #88

Oh Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #140

I've repeatedly agreed that the policy sucks. And if you search the net for more on the story you ND-Dem Feb 2015 #183

Pictures of the back of his head being online wouldn't be nearly as painful for a 6 year old pnwmom Feb 2015 #71

6 times. according to grandma. not "day after day". day after day, for at least two years, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #89

You've got that right. n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #49

Yep. predictable response, that one. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #231

Amen. n/t QC Feb 2015 #75

I just don't think it's that big of a deal. zappaman Feb 2015 #16

you dont think sitting alone behind barrier is humiliating for lil kid? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #18

Sure, but posting pics to the world certainly is far more humiliating. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #19

That's one of the stupidest and most heartless things I've read on DU for a while Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

You think the kid doesn't notice that mom always brings him to school late, causing him ND-Dem Feb 2015 #95

Our world is just EFFed up at any rate nolabels Feb 2015 #144

I would be fired Lurker Deluxe Feb 2015 #174

It's the cumlative year...... nolabels Feb 2015 #223

You know what I always wanted to ask a boss? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #230

God, that sucks shit laundry_queen Mar 2015 #232

One thing is for sure, Fumesucker... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #150

^^^THIS^^^ COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #164

Not to mention the teasing he most likely recieved from the other classmates after lunch. jwirr Feb 2015 #158

That is complete bullshit Fumesucker Feb 2015 #20

I'd be more angry at my mom for posting the pics. zappaman Feb 2015 #21

Do you think anything would have been done about this if the pictures hadn't got attention? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #27

yeah, maybe mom will start getting up 10 minutes earlier and getting the kid to school on time. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #98

Do you know if the child is aware of pics being posted? Ilsa Feb 2015 #29

Parents will show the pics to their children at the school. former9thward Feb 2015 #45

Think about it. The kids ALREADY WITNESSED the little boy being punished, over and over, pnwmom Feb 2015 #52

Putting children's pictures on the internet can lead to all sorts former9thward Feb 2015 #54

The pictures just showed the back of his head. What the school did was far more harmful, pnwmom Feb 2015 #70

It's not a contest - they're both harmful. Chemisse Feb 2015 #81

Actually, it was a contest. And the parents won. pnwmom Feb 2015 #86

The car doesn't break down. It just doesn't start 'right away'. Hence, the "one or two minutes" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #101

The mother has a bone disease that causes pain and a three year old to also take care of. pnwmom Feb 2015 #105

Osteoporosis is a disease that makes people habitually "one or two" minutes late? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #108

And what kind of disease makes a person habitually unfeeling toward 6 year olds? pnwmom Feb 2015 #210

I didn't say the child should be punished. I said the parent should get going 15 minutes earlier. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #212

While being habitually a little bit late is not a serious offense, Chemisse Feb 2015 #153

but it won't stop the mom from continuing her stupid, harmful, habitual lateness. yay team! ND-Dem Feb 2015 #103

Sounds like more of your "Far Left" rabble-rousing to me! villager Feb 2015 #60

Yeah, well mom could get her ass out of bed a little earlier too. Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #83

Uh-huh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #30

You must have seen this movie... yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #47

Do you understand that this has been going on for months, and they didn't even tell the parents, pnwmom Feb 2015 #51

They could get him there on time and chose not to do so... Oktober Feb 2015 #97

They didn't choose the mother's bone disease and not having enough money for a reliable car. pnwmom Feb 2015 #102

Leave earlier.. Oktober Feb 2015 #131

The school hadn't told the parents what a problem this was -- they just started punishing the boy. pnwmom Feb 2015 #135

Do parents have to be told to get their child to school... Oktober Feb 2015 #139

false. they contacted the parents. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #206

the only thing that's been going on for months (over a year, actually) is the mom's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106

It's like Solitary Confinement fredamae Feb 2015 #67

If mom can get him there 2 minutes late on a regular basis, she can get him there 2 minutes ND-Dem Feb 2015 #126

It's real easy to Judge fredamae Feb 2015 #143

Pictures of the family are out there; you may be the judge of the severity of disability & ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180

What difference does another persons disability fredamae Feb 2015 #194

If you want more information a simple search will give it. It will also link you to information ND-Dem Feb 2015 #199

;) n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #203

The school has been isolating him like this many times over a period of months pnwmom Feb 2015 #50

Your sarcasm and lack of empathy is odd for a Democrat. Do you really think the punishment fit the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #73

Sorry Rick, but you don't get to define a Democrat. zappaman Feb 2015 #78

Democrat has a definition, and I didn't make it up and they have empathy. The New Democrats rhett o rick Feb 2015 #84

Again, you don't get to define the word, Rick. zappaman Feb 2015 #132

I believe empathy is the mark of a Democrat. Separates us from the Conservatives. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #159

Please stay away from children n/t nichomachus Feb 2015 #80

Are you looking for someone to see how insensitive you are with that? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #148

Your empathy with a six year old child is duly noted. nt COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #162

well might as well punish a first grader CreekDog Feb 2015 #4

Exactly. He's being punished for something he had almost no control over, hughee99 Feb 2015 #11

his mother has control over it though. what lesson is she teaching him? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #107

Then punish HER, not her child. hughee99 Feb 2015 #112

I don't know why they're doing it and I've already said it's a cruel punishment. But mom ND-Dem Feb 2015 #115

I don't think we have the whole story either. I think we both agree that the mom is at fault for hughee99 Feb 2015 #119

your position is reasonable. i personally find it hard to believe this *is* school policy, since ND-Dem Feb 2015 #121

I admit I'm accepting that this is the actual punishment as accurate and it may not be. hughee99 Feb 2015 #127

All this demand for "punishment" is a sickening display of the depth DU has fallen to Scootaloo Feb 2015 #152

Yes the suggestion that IF anyone should be hughee99 Feb 2015 #161

I know. How fucked up to the core! NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #147

WTF?! sakabatou Feb 2015 #5

obscene. how much "work" could the child possibly have to make up being one minute late? niyad Feb 2015 #8

structure what mercuryblues Feb 2015 #68

detention ND-Dem Feb 2015 #111

This kind of shit stays with a kid too... SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #9

Yup Egnever Feb 2015 #12

yes, it does stick w you Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #15

Exactly. Though the coldest-hearted among us could seem to scarcely give a shit. villager Feb 2015 #25

I still remember the packing tape put over my mouth because I was Paulie Feb 2015 #36

but mom does have control. so why no equally strong words for her? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #114

Question... ReRe Feb 2015 #129

If mom was in that picture perhaps my reaction wold be different Paulie Feb 2015 #145

Because she's not the one abusing the child over a weak alternator. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #154

Fifth grade through eighth, I'd simply run out the classroom door and jump the chain link fence. hunter Feb 2015 #77

Good lord Egnever Feb 2015 #10

It will serve him well in the long run LittleBlue Feb 2015 #14

"That's some catch, that Catch-22." villager Feb 2015 #28

Being traumatized as a child never serves anyone well. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #41

That superintendent cwydro Feb 2015 #31

I can remember my 3rd grade teacher giving me hell, Ilsa Feb 2015 #32

I remember a teacher like that Skittles Feb 2015 #34

Oh dear.... Ilsa Feb 2015 #35

that teacher was very cold and reminded me of my mother Skittles Feb 2015 #39

That is the worst -- you're always the new kid. MindPilot Feb 2015 #171

yup that was in England Skittles Feb 2015 #215

When my oldest son was in third grade... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #48

I believe these kind of folk are narcissists and sociopaths Skittles Feb 2015 #61

WTF is this Skittles Feb 2015 #33

That sort of shit scars a person for life... wundermaus Feb 2015 #37

What? Lurker Deluxe Feb 2015 #179

What is a sissy? bravenak Mar 2015 #250

A sexist insult. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #255

How stupid. bravenak Mar 2015 #257

The worst part is listening to them make excuses for it. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #258

I've done that too. bravenak Mar 2015 #259

I was a victim of child abuse... wundermaus Mar 2015 #254

That is seriously fucked. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #38

This is evil, plain and simple. A small evil, preparing children for bigger evils, perhaps. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #40

agreed! Phentex Feb 2015 #43

One Way To Work School to Prison Pipeline? n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #59

+1000 nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #256

They have such fun molding and shaping young minds. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #44

The school has been doing this to him for months, for being a minute or two late. pnwmom Feb 2015 #46

No, it hasn't been doing it "for months" it's done it 6 times, according to grandma. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #123

We make consessions for people with disabilities. bravenak Mar 2015 #228

There's no school bus because the family lives less than a mile from the school, in a house, in this ND-Dem Mar 2015 #229

So no concessions for her disability? bravenak Mar 2015 #233

She claims her disability as osteoporosis, something I and many other women have. She's about 30. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #234

She has early onset osteoporsis and children to run after. bravenak Mar 2015 #235

Maybe I have it too, because I went through menopause at 40. Yet I can get places on time. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #236

Did you also have it at 30 while raising two kids? And if so, so what. bravenak Mar 2015 #237

sorry, we just disagree. i think most people can do it. i think she can do it. if she's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #240

I agree with your last line. bravenak Mar 2015 #241

Good. I'd appreciate you leaving me alone, as no conversation with you has been ND-Dem Mar 2015 #243

I'll post as I please. bravenak Mar 2015 #245

i won't be responding to the unpleasantness however ND-Dem Mar 2015 #248

I really don't give a crap bravenak Mar 2015 #249

There are some really sick sadistic fucks running and working in schools these days. kath Feb 2015 #53

It's a school, not a god damn prison. Stop fucking punishing people. geomon666 Feb 2015 #55

one could argue he is LEARNING to not be late again krawhitham Feb 2015 #104

no worries, mom's teaching him he never has to be on time. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #124

If they were to Turbineguy Feb 2015 #56

I was one of those callers fredamae Feb 2015 #57

oh, i bet you're proud of yourself. the woman also got death threats. and she's not the right- ND-Dem Feb 2015 #219

I left my opinion and fredamae Feb 2015 #221

yes, on the basis of a newspaper article carrying only information from the parents, you ask for ND-Dem Feb 2015 #222

Socialization is considered expendable next to academics. Trillo Feb 2015 #58

There was a time when schools sent busses ... surrealAmerican Feb 2015 #66

I had this happen to me in junior high except dilby Feb 2015 #72

Many days in my public school life, as a young kid named Hunter, were very much like this. hunter Feb 2015 #74

Wow you people have NO idea what is really going on in schools Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #79

... Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #85

Sue the God Damn school system. Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #82

It's a lousy policy, but if you read the article, the fault belongs to the parents. The kid ND-Dem Feb 2015 #87

Is it a progressive value to support punishing the weakest member of a family Trillo Feb 2015 #90

I said, it's a lousy policy, but in the end it's the parent's fault. There's no reason she's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #93

Yes, I saw you said that, but among other things, you're defending picking on the weak. Trillo Feb 2015 #117

I defended no such thing. The school shouldn't punish the kid for something not under his ND-Dem Feb 2015 #122

Okay. Thanks for clarifying your position. Trillo Feb 2015 #125

Everyone assumes the school is not only in the wrong, but staffed with actively malicious ND-Dem Feb 2015 #128

No, judging from your support for it, you don't think it's a "lousy policy" Scootaloo Feb 2015 #156

please, link me to the posts where i express support. since i've repeatedly said it's a ND-Dem Feb 2015 #178

Specifically, you say "it's lousy BUT" and "it's cruel BUT" Scootaloo Feb 2015 #189

None of those posts express support for the school's policy; they express criticism of the mother ND-Dem Feb 2015 #196

If the fault is with the mom, then they should talk to the mom, not punish the child. hughee99 Feb 2015 #92

I agree. I also think the parent should have talked to the school before grandma went on ND-Dem Feb 2015 #94

I agree they should have talked to the school before going public. hughee99 Feb 2015 #99

i agree the school should have talked to the mother and i'd be surprised if it hadn't happened. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #100

Her arthritis and her car aren't "others". I didn't see anywhere that she blamed the school for her hughee99 Feb 2015 #110

of course the punishment's unfair; there's no disagreement there. my issue is that the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #113

While she's certainly no hero in this situation, I don't have any problem with her taking issue hughee99 Feb 2015 #118

yes; she's the author of the problem. and we have no information about the school, since ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120

I don't always call people with disabilities lazy, but when I do Kalidurga Feb 2015 #109

Funny kind of disability, unreliable car, and 3 year old that make you 'one or two minutes' ND-Dem Feb 2015 #116

Well I will call shenanigans on the one or two minutes Kalidurga Feb 2015 #134

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #91

I remember several people were "smoked" for being less than 10 minutes prior JonLP24 Feb 2015 #130

It takes a Village ReRe Feb 2015 #133

All of that is the responsibility of the parents... Oktober Feb 2015 #142

Well... ReRe Feb 2015 #216

Good lord.... Oktober Mar 2015 #238

BECAUSE THE FAMILY... ReRe Mar 2015 #239

To show them where the button is to set their alarm a few minutes earlier? Oktober Mar 2015 #242

I give up... ReRe Mar 2015 #244

If you read about the story in other accounts, the school did indeed "reach out" to the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #188

Since you seem to be so informed on this incidence... ReRe Feb 2015 #217

I don't know if social services was contacted. I suspect not, since the school has shown itself ND-Dem Feb 2015 #218

my kids mother has not been able to get anywhere on time for as long as i have know her dembotoz Feb 2015 #136

people forget that teachers are human Enrique Feb 2015 #137

Nice attempt at spin. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #157

You might try reading some other accounts besides this one which leans so heavily on the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #190

None of the other accounts justify this treatment of a first-grader. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #193

Enrique didn't "slime all teachers" in any way shape or form. Rather the opposite; he noted ND-Dem Feb 2015 #201

But there was no "anti-teacher bias" to respond to here Scootaloo Feb 2015 #204

"Teachers are human" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #205

That poster should ring a Bell. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #224

It's funny how the people defending the bullies in this case geomon666 Feb 2015 #160

they are changing the policy Enrique Feb 2015 #165

How could they punish him when someone else brings him to school? treestar Feb 2015 #170

He is under their power and the mother is not Fumesucker Feb 2015 #225

If this incident really occurred, ladjf Feb 2015 #176

The tardy mark on the child's attendance record is sufficient. Sunlei Feb 2015 #185

Why didn't Little Mr. Lazypants get himself up at 4 am, Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #192

the internet is providing her with an education Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #209

This thread has been a real a-hole magnet. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #195

agreed Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #208

No school bus? abelenkpe Feb 2015 #207

the parents live less than a mile away. i've checked out the neighborhood on google maps. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #220

You have to be careful with tardiness penalties bluestateguy Mar 2015 #227