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randome

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161. 'All the other' is a pretty wide range.

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:51 PM

Feb 2015

My opinion is that the FBI, like every law-enforcement agency, sometimes abuses its authority. My guess is that most of what we would call 'entrapment' is justified. If the FBI suggested to you that you could get away with blowing up Congress, would you go along with the plan to do it? My guess is no, although I don't know you personally.

The case that Greenwald cites, just because this guy didn't have a passport is no reason to ignore him. He said he wanted to wage jihad. If he couldn't go overseas, is it plausible he would have just forgotten the entire thing?

Apparently not because he was pretty easily talked into doing what he expected would be horrible things.

So in this particular case, I think the FBI was justified.
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GREENWALD: WHY DOES FBI MANUFACTURE ITS OWN PLOTS IF TERRORISM & ISIS ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS? [View all] 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 OP

Exactly. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2015 #1

WHY DOES GREENWALD MANUFACTURE HIS OWN CONSPIRACIES IF NSA AND FBI ARE SUCH GRAVE THREATS? uhnope Feb 2015 #80

Have you a clue who the Miami 5 are? Just one example. Go scream at someone else. nt Mnemosyne Feb 2015 #89

a boy band? uhnope Feb 2015 #91

Nice attempt at Wiki-asscovering, but you looked up the wrong thing. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #178

the newburgh sting tiny elvis Feb 2015 #115

Don't know, but anyone who would fall for that shit shouldn't be on the street in the first place. DescendantOfMany Feb 2015 #2

But many do nichomachus Feb 2015 #4

Folks egging people on Aerows Feb 2015 #57

Whoever asks someone to 'blow some shit up' shouldn't be on the street either. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #170

It got the terrorists, uh I mean teaparty, to vote to fund DHS at least randys1 Feb 2015 #3

Does that mean I can take my skin cream on board in my carry-on while the JDPriestly Feb 2015 #44

Isnt there a new streamline boarding thing you can buy that allows you to bypass a lot of the randys1 Feb 2015 #49

I see you've passed Aerows Feb 2015 #64

Trying to be lighthearted, but thanks for the insult randys1 Feb 2015 #69

Not really Aerows Feb 2015 #70

my bad then...i like your pic sig randys1 Feb 2015 #72

Thanks Aerows Feb 2015 #76

Well, that escalated and de-escalated rather quickly. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #138

Um, I know this guy ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #137

wish I could rec a hundred times grasswire Feb 2015 #5

Keep Fear Alive Laughing Mirror Feb 2015 #6

the real purpose grasswire Feb 2015 #7

More apologia for extremism, and more West-blaming Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #8

You approve of the FBI's methods mentioned in the OP? nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #9

I don't approve of Greenwald's slanted framing of them Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #10

speaking of ongoing patterns.......nt grasswire Feb 2015 #12

Just remaining as constant as the North Star Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #13

criticizing Greenwald for "constant pattern".. grasswire Feb 2015 #14

The North Star isn't a constant. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #106

Hah! You damned literalist! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #181

How about a different author and 3 years ago? A Simple Game Feb 2015 #27

I was about to post that. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #134

As soon as that got brought up Aerows Feb 2015 #142

Yep..I noticed that too. 2banon Feb 2015 #151

They are always Aerows Feb 2015 #152

Please carefully explain Greenwald's slanted framing. Thank you in advance. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2015 #34

The FBI has been doing this for years WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2015 #48

it's common knowlege for anyone paying attention G_j Feb 2015 #86

I'm thinking you must have been born yesterday, yes? 2banon Feb 2015 #133

No surprise you are defending this crap. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #135

With the way things are going over at The Intercept, I suppose he feels a need to publish now MADem Feb 2015 #154

I think you need to spend less time reflexively defending authority and Marr Feb 2015 #179

You knew I'd show up asking about the links you brought up, the links showing Greenwald lies. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #15

Look at the article. It's full of Greenwald's interpretation. randome Feb 2015 #16

How dare he put a negative slant zeemike Feb 2015 #30

That's all he does, though, is my point. randome Feb 2015 #52

That is a strong statement. zeemike Feb 2015 #56

Of course you should suspect anything you read on the Internet. randome Feb 2015 #60

Well you have an agenda too. zeemike Feb 2015 #83

lol. Just a little paranoid uhnope Feb 2015 #93

Talk about deflection. zeemike Feb 2015 #104

Speaking Aerows Feb 2015 #122

Would you give an example of a negative slant of his that should be portrayed in a more favorable... ret5hd Feb 2015 #58

It's not a question of negative versus positive. randome Feb 2015 #61

"It's not a question of negative versus positive." said the guy who also said "He puts a negative .. Scuba Feb 2015 #124

See, you're willing to take whatever Greenwald says as gospel. randome Feb 2015 #130

I'm assuming you are going to stay as far away from this post Aerows Feb 2015 #141

Did I ever say that law enforcement does not abuse its authority? randome Feb 2015 #149

Respond to the NY Times article Aerows Feb 2015 #150

Respond to what? I already said law enforcement sometimes goes overboard. randome Feb 2015 #153

See? More equivocation Aerows Feb 2015 #155

How can I agree or disagree when I don't have the full story? randome Feb 2015 #157

Here we are Aerows Feb 2015 #160

pwmom's post # 42 does not address the question, it just picks apart one incident. Scuba Feb 2015 #146

The post clearly shows that the suspect openly admitted he wanted to shoot Obama. randome Feb 2015 #148

Hmmmm. Aerows Feb 2015 #156

What about all the other plots the FBI concocted? Why do they do this? Scuba Feb 2015 #159

'All the other' is a pretty wide range. randome Feb 2015 #161

The FBI is cooking up plots to keep us fearful. Your authoritarian perspective on it was expected. Scuba Feb 2015 #162

And to keep their funding Aerows Feb 2015 #165

Lol, all those awards he's racking up, two Academies, one Pulitzer, one Directors' Guild Award so sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #167

Let me put it another way. randome Feb 2015 #54

I have heard all of that before...it is repeated all the time. zeemike Feb 2015 #59

No, you want a Public Relations stooge to sell a rationalization TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #108

Nailed it! n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #143

Thank you! TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #171

That is incorrect because what he's talking about doesn't only pertain to foreign communications. Vattel Feb 2015 #116

It does or he fails to even address the point, leaving his readers to assume the worst. randome Feb 2015 #131

Just so happens criteria, routing, and cooperative intelligence set up this to include TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #173

Agreed this needs to be more closely looked at. No problems here. randome Feb 2015 #174

Questionable? The facts aren't even debated, you are dancing on a mote of dust in the air. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #176

Here's the link from pnwmom's post #42. randome Feb 2015 #185

A reason in this situation does not square the practices generally or even make them acceptable TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #187

How much more plain do I need to make it? randome Feb 2015 #188

how's this uhnope Feb 2015 #17

Thank you for the reply. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #51

sensational claims in Greenwald's headlines are never backed up by the article. that's called lying uhnope Feb 2015 #74

First, I didn't say Snowden was lying. I don't think he was. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #85

Uh, yeah, and then there's the whole 'cui bono?' (who benefits?) thing to KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #182

Greenwald is Alex Jones dressed up for respectable folks uhnope Feb 2015 #18

I don't see that in there. lark Feb 2015 #23

Typical quick retort and a few non-sequitor followups erronis Feb 2015 #45

!! grasswire Feb 2015 #96

If the shoe fits, wear it. Greenwald makes a good point. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #46

Damn, but I wish you would replace Comey as FBI Director. Your post is the most KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #183

succinct quote from the comments section grasswire Feb 2015 #11

These stings serve a very good purpose. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #19

Perhaps, but I kinda doubt it 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #21

What I'm saying is this makes the smarter ones less likely to geek tragedy Feb 2015 #22

....the smart ones might be unlikely to seek our violent outlets for their frustrations anyway.... Adam051188 Feb 2015 #25

unfortunately, intelligence and psychopathy are not negatively correlated nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #26

depends on your definition of intelligence Adam051188 Feb 2015 #28

Excellent question... ret5hd Feb 2015 #68

They may not be of above-average intelligence but dollars to doughnuts, I'll bet KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #184

If they were really 'smart' 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #31

cunning is a different attribute than enlightenment nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #38

There is solid law around "entrapment" jberryhill Feb 2015 #81

Well, yes and no. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #84

That risk in your second paragraph doesn't seem to have happened jberryhill Feb 2015 #92

Mentally unstable people need help, not entrapment into committing crimes 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #95

well said! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #117

That doesn't answer the question jberryhill Feb 2015 #119

Principle or Practice? It's your question, not mine. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #120

I'm just trying to figure out jberryhill Feb 2015 #126

I think it's a slippery slope 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #144

Good points jberryhill Feb 2015 #145

the kgb is my favorite government agency. Adam051188 Feb 2015 #24

We should always doubt it. Orsino Feb 2015 #128

A high-double-digit IQ is not going to fall for the FBI's honey traps. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #47

but they're also then going to be more difficult to recruit because they'll geek tragedy Feb 2015 #78

How about the people who did absolutely nothing wrong? Mnpaul Feb 2015 #114

by this logic we should entrap everyone on everything citing "a common purpose." nashville_brook Feb 2015 #65

No, just those who want to commit acts of terrorism. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #79

The law on entrapment is more demanding than that jberryhill Feb 2015 #82

we only break the law so we can enforce the law Adam051188 Feb 2015 #20

Nope it is how it ends...if history is the predictor. zeemike Feb 2015 #36

COINTELPRO by any other name, smells just as putrid nt MrScorpio Feb 2015 #29

More terror apologia from the man who thinks Matt Hale, white supremacist, is wrongly imprisoned.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #32

Killing the messenger much? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #37

Do you really think, after your last self-deleted OP, that you should be trying to engage me? msanthrope Feb 2015 #43

Someone who threatens the president or shoots random officers should JDPriestly Feb 2015 #50

Indeed....and sometimes, cops use people who have already done crimes to catch others, or to msanthrope Feb 2015 #53

I will engage you whenever I want. If you don't like it, please put me on 'ignore' already. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #63

Did you just use airquotes around the word "racist?" Wow. As for your point about msanthrope Feb 2015 #71

More smearing from the person who suggested a Jewish man was a Nazi sympathizer. Marr Feb 2015 #180

Mr. Greenwald called two Orthodox Jewish teens and an msanthrope Feb 2015 #186

You don't even understand why your Nazi smear is particularly offensive, do you? Marr Feb 2015 #189

Smear? Did Mr. Greenwald defend Matt Hale, white supremacist, or not? msanthrope Feb 2015 #190

How? Like this: Marr Feb 2015 #191

Well, you can put me on ignore if you don't like reading what I have to write msanthrope Feb 2015 #193

If anyone could discover why plots would be created then Greenwald would be ace #1. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #33

People who are afraid are more willing to give up their freedom to someone who claims Maedhros Feb 2015 #35

Greenwald stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #39

Same reason the Flt 77 hijackers couldn't have done it without money from the Saudi Ambassadors wife leveymg Feb 2015 #40

I've wondered that myself. What do they gain by goading people into doing criminal acts? Rex Feb 2015 #41

it's PR, plain and simple. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #66

Strange? Not if you are trying to protect your paycheck. (nt) ret5hd Feb 2015 #73

job security grasswire Feb 2015 #97

"Adrift unemployed loner" with no connections with known terrorist groups unfortunately can describe pnwmom Feb 2015 #42

Too bad Greenwald couldn't be bothered to do as much research as pnwmom on DU. randome Feb 2015 #55

this article doesn't even say that Juraboev made that alleged threat. grasswire Feb 2015 #98

Talk about weasel words. Did you miss this part? pnwmom Feb 2015 #100

well maybe.... wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #62

Bookmarked. Thanks. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #67

Good one! CanSocDem Feb 2015 #127

GESTAPO must get paid. Octafish Feb 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Feb 2015 #77

I guess hassling environmentalists grntuscarora Feb 2015 #87

precisely. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #94

It is flypaper for potentially dangerous people. I'm not too bothered by it. Throd Feb 2015 #88

Really? 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #102

Are they all mentally unstable? Throd Feb 2015 #105

Essentially, you are OK with people being imprisoned for radical politics.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #107

No. I care about their actions, not their politics. Throd Feb 2015 #109

But that's the thing: there WERE no actions. Maedhros Feb 2015 #110

And that is where it gets difficult. Throd Feb 2015 #111

Minority Report. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #140

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #113

They have to justify their budget. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #90

Bingo Aerows Feb 2015 #163

Damn Greenwald, why won't he let them plot their own terror attacks and blame them on sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #99

Absolutely! Greenwald needs to 'learn his place' or shut the f*ck up. 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #101

Well you know how much 'craves ATTENTION'. Though I have to say, before they started attacking him sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #118

+100 nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #147

FBI doesn't want their funding cut. nt valerief Feb 2015 #103

good question. and why do all the international terrorists have british and american accents? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #112

Let's not go there Aerows Feb 2015 #123

For people outside the western media bubble CJCRANE Feb 2015 #125

Remember when British soldiers dressed up like Iraqis in Iraq and blew up a sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #166

vaguely. but false flag terrorism isn't that uncommon. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #168

Yes, it's not at all uncommon. The incident I referred to happened in Basra. When they British sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #177

I can't take anyone Aerows Feb 2015 #121

K&R GoneFishin Feb 2015 #129

This has happened time and time again, could smell that old stinky fish wafting 2banon Feb 2015 #132

It's quite lucrative. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #136

Blatant Entrapment Martin Eden Feb 2015 #139

I cannot take anyone seriously Aerows Feb 2015 #158

+100 Thanks for the link -nt- 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #164

Because their Saudi masters told them "Hands off our boys" McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #169

Huge K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #172

"the three men do not appear to be" treestar Feb 2015 #175

It sounds as though you've never read any of his work. elias49 Feb 2015 #192

YES! randome Mar 2015 #196

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #194

Where do these guys go after we arrest them? Bradical79 Mar 2015 #195