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eridani

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Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:05 PM Feb 2015

Juan Cole: 5 Surprising Ways Iran Is Better Than Israel [View all]

More than five way for the reverse, but still--

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/265-34/28805-focus-5-surprising-ways-iran-is-better-than-israel

1. Iran does not have a nuclear bomb and is signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Despite what is constantly alleged in the Western press and by Western politicians, there is no evidence that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program; and, the theocratic Supreme Leader has forbidden making, stockpiling and using nuclear weapons. In contrast, Israel refused to sign the NPT and has several hundred nuclear warheads, which it constructed stealthily, including through acts of espionage and smuggling in the United States, and against the wishes of Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. And, its leaders have more than once implied they are ready to use it; then prime minister Ariel Sharon alarmed George W. Bush when he intimated that he’d nuke Baghdad if Saddam tried to send SCUDs tipped with gas on Israel.

2. Iran has not launched an aggressive war since 1775, when Karim Khan Zand sent an army against Omar Pasha in Basra in neighboring Iraq. Though, whether that was a response to Ottoman provocations or actually an aggressive act could be argued. Who started a war is always a matter of interpretation to some extent, but if we define it as firing the first shot, then Israel started wars in 1956, 1967 and 1982. If the principle of proportionality of response is entered into the equation, then you’d have to say 2006, 2009, and 2014 were also predominantly an Israeli decision.

3. Modern Iran has not occupied the territory of its neighbors. Iraq attacked Iran in 1980 in a bloodthirsty act of aggression. Iran fought off Iraq 1980-1988. But after the hostilities ended, Tehran did not try to take and hold Iraqi territory in revenge. The UN Charter of 1945 forbids countries to annex the land of their neighbors through warfare. In contrast, Israel occupies 4 million stateless Palestinians, who are treated as any subjected, colonized population would be. Nor is there any prospect in my lifetime of those Palestinians gaining citizenship in their own state; they are going to live and die humiliated and colonized and often expropriated.

4. All the people ruled over by Iran can vote in national elections and even Iranian Jews have a representative in parliament. In contrast, of the 12 million people ruled by Israel, 4 million of them have no vote in Israeli politics, which is the politics that actually rules them.

5. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is not trying to undermine the Obama administration’s negotiations with his country, aimed at making sure Iran can have nuclear electricity plants but that it cannot develop a weapon.

Iran’s government is not one I agree with on almost anything, and it is dictatorial and puritanical. I wish Iranians would get past it and join the world’s democracies. Israel is better than Iran in most regards– for Israeli citizens it has more of a rule of law and more personal liberties. But just to be fair, there are some ways Iran’s policies are better than Israel’s.

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+1,000 - Bibi is a neo-con tool malaise Feb 2015 #1
Hey, stop that! How we gonna start a war with Iran if the people are told the truth? Scuba Feb 2015 #2
Oh yeah…and incidentally: PCIntern Feb 2015 #3
Sometimes the truth is like a cold slap in the face. 4now Feb 2015 #4
Israel has gay pride parades. dilby Feb 2015 #5
Does Israel hang gay people? nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #6
That's not one of the five ways. Still, Cole has a point. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #7
Actually, Iran hangs a whole lot of people. It must be a world leader in that. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #8
One interesting fact concerning Israelis latest Gaza offensive - 527 children and 299 women were dissentient Feb 2015 #9
This...this is why I fucking despise the faux anti-imperialist movement. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #10
Ooh! The spittle flies! Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #11
And even further reason! NuclearDem Feb 2015 #12
You do know that Iran used to be a secular democracy, right? eridani Feb 2015 #13
If you're going to try to get me to defend Ajax, it's not going to happen. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #14
making their own decisions since operation ajax (1953)? are you sure? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #16
Oh, of course. The Shah let Iranians make all their decisions during his long rule eridani Feb 2015 #20
And don't forget SAVAK. What a bunch of nice guys they were... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #22
You've got to be kidding me. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #24
No Shah; no 1979 revolution n/t eridani Feb 2015 #25
No Ayatollah, no 1979 revolution. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #26
Imperial policy turned Iran from a secular democracy in 1953 to a religious state in 1979 eridani Feb 2015 #27
No argument on that point. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #28
The 1979 revolution was hijacked by the religious nuts eridani Feb 2015 #29
Eh, it's a lot more complicated than that. Imperial policy is what actually removed the first Shah Chathamization Feb 2015 #34
So, are you the true anti-imperialist? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #15
yet our ally Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #17
Terrific political cartoon JonLP24 Feb 2015 #19
Saudi Arabia, a Sunni country, is funding Hezbollah, a Shi'a group? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #32
Iran certainly provides aid & military support to various Shia militias or the Alawite Syrian regime JonLP24 Feb 2015 #18
Interally, they are orders of magnitude better eridani Feb 2015 #21
Situation in Iraq & Ukraine was sorta identical JonLP24 Feb 2015 #23
Sanctions. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #35
Hezbollah happens to be a political party eridani Feb 2015 #36
Hezbollah is not just a political party. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #37
Yes, they are a militant group, but also a political party with a TV station eridani Feb 2015 #38
By some of those measures, it could be argued there are ways Iran is "better than" the US onenote Feb 2015 #30
the conservative religious types in Iran ARE trying to undermine JI7 Feb 2015 #31
Not surprising at all mwrguy Feb 2015 #33
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