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40. i think they know it is not going to a an actual general

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:11 PM

Apr 2012

strike. the unions are not ready for that and it wont happen without them. i think they are just meaning this "strike" to be more of a large protest with the supporters withholding as much of their patronage to the large corporations as possible. More of a "see us" than a total shutdown of the country. They are probably hoping to shut a few tunings down on a temp basis but I don't think they are actually expecting a general strike.

Hoping for a strong turnout I think. I don't think it has been well enough promoted for the turn out I hope for but I'm good no matter how it goes.

Maybe a google would tell.

you can try to say occupy is dead but occupy has already accomplished more than anyone or any group in decades. I suspect they will do much more.

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Prediction: The May 1st "general strike" is going to be an enormous flop. [View all] TheWraith Apr 2012 OP

�Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revoluton inevitable� -JFK Fumesucker Apr 2012 #1

As true now as it was then, and the latter of the two is overdue. eom tledford Apr 2012 #11

Those who seek violent revolution MineralMan Apr 2012 #72

Those who are able to convince a majority that peaceful revolution LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #65

Violent revolution is so messy.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #70

Good points but I don't know that MLK was correct. former9thward Apr 2012 #2

The statement that Martin Luther King made was distilled from ages of history. bluestate10 May 2012 #213

As a student of history I certainly don't agree with your analysis. former9thward May 2012 #219

That doesn't mean, though, that Dr. King was ok with gradualism Ken Burch May 2012 #226

I agree. If it gets 5 minutes on the evening news, I'll be amazed. badtoworse Apr 2012 #3

I'll bet you $10K it will make the news :) pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #8

So what? Marr May 2012 #121

It has to do with getting your message out badtoworse May 2012 #157

Getting your message out is important. Marr May 2012 #175

So you agree with The Wraith and want us all to give up. Ken Burch May 2012 #141

Turning OWS into an ideological purity test isn't going to change anything either. hack89 May 2012 #142

How about defing some specific objectives? badtoworse May 2012 #156

Has "99% Spring" done any of those things? Ken Burch May 2012 #228

Not surprising since the corporate media's biased against us. backscatter712 May 2012 #154

Then you'd just be preaching to the choir. randome May 2012 #155

Once you get a "leader", you lose the radicalism. Ken Burch May 2012 #229

Even if someone noticed the "strike" they won't know what they are striking for banned from Kos Apr 2012 #4

Have you seen what it's like on the Occupy Underground forum? randome Apr 2012 #9

Let's see... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #10

Doomed I tell ya! bvar22 May 2012 #144

I don't think that the organizers believe it is going to be a huge deal media wise. CTyankee Apr 2012 #5

That is pretty much correct. It is an opportunity to support other actions beign called by allies.. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #14

We shouldn't forget the impact of the teach ins by college professors about Vietnam that CTyankee Apr 2012 #20

Yes, things change. randome Apr 2012 #23

"There is nothing new under the sun" as the saying goes. CTyankee May 2012 #146

And once the Civil Rights movement was absorbed in to the Democratic Party in the early Seventies Ken Burch May 2012 #287

Whoa. I was thinking of posting something along those lines, too. randome Apr 2012 #6

Bold prediction, lol tritsofme Apr 2012 #7

That depends entirely on what you're expecting........ socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #12

The same Dr. King who called for a general strike in support of the Memphis Sanitation workers? Morning Dew Apr 2012 #13

I think it is both hilarious and depressing that a general strike Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #15

I'd say the 'machete' part is more about the 'in-your-face' attitudes of many Occupiers. randome Apr 2012 #19

Yes because kissing the asses of the owners is working SO TBF Apr 2012 #30

I didn't say kiss their asses. randome Apr 2012 #38

There are several methods - and they can happen simultaneously TBF Apr 2012 #43

According to many Occupy reps, they can't happen simultaneously. randome Apr 2012 #47

Well my perspective is that we can do both - TBF Apr 2012 #55

If we get the government we deserve... randome Apr 2012 #62

why? RobertEarl Apr 2012 #75

Like the way Occupy pisses on 99% Spring? randome Apr 2012 #81

And what about you RobertEarl Apr 2012 #88

I think this is a good article that details a few of the tensions. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #108

Bravo RobertEarl! Tace May 2012 #199

Everybody in 99% Spring should just have joined Occupy Ken Burch May 2012 #207

99% Spring pisses on OWS and the people by even existing Ken Burch May 2012 #227

Does the 99% Spring have ANY workers or poor people in its ranks? Does it HAVE ranks? Ken Burch May 2012 #269

Be a leader. randome May 2012 #271

I'm willing to do that. Ken Burch May 2012 #275

If OWS is so powerful, then I would think they'd absorb 99% Spring. randome May 2012 #277

I was trying to take a less-confrontational tone in that last post. Ken Burch May 2012 #278

It doesn't make sense, that's what is wrong with it. randome May 2012 #279

I doubt it would mean anything. Ken Burch May 2012 #283

I'll start that dialogue...but need a link. Ken Burch May 2012 #288

No idea what 99% Spring has going for it, if anything. randome May 2012 #291

Perhaps the German Green party notion of rotating spokespersons might work. Ken Burch May 2012 #293

I honestly don't think anyone hates OWS enough to assassinate someone. randome May 2012 #295

The problem is, anytime a "leader" emerges, even if OWS didn't have one now Ken Burch May 2012 #302

Since you like to look at history as an example... randome May 2012 #311

It's partly due to the fact that the Democrats had become as pro-corporate as the GOP Ken Burch May 2012 #205

Is it not possible in smaller occupies especially that they have been co-opted by anti-Obama patrice May 2012 #131

Nobody on the inside is ever on OUR side. Ken Burch May 2012 #136

wrong got root Apr 2012 #79

"In-your-face" like the 504 protests suffragette May 2012 #127

But they had a coherent focused message and leader mythology Apr 2012 #16

It's way too early for legislative change. The Tea Party has recently changed its focus from CTyankee Apr 2012 #25

Jeeeeeeesus. Do you know how many decades it took to produce lasting legislative change? Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #26

So legislative change was tried early on, then. randome Apr 2012 #28

That doesn't even make sense. Congresscritters in 1875 or 76 introduced the 1st Civil Rights Act... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #46

Not to mention 100 years of VIOLENCE, state violence and organized private violence, to HiPointDem Apr 2012 #93

what a joke. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #89

What's the point in introducing legislation Ken Burch May 2012 #320

Just because you don't understand flat leadership TBF Apr 2012 #27

No, 'flat leadership' means no one is in charge. randome Apr 2012 #31

It means that there is a democratic method to making decisions - TBF Apr 2012 #35

Here we go. randome Apr 2012 #41

I can only discern from your comments - TBF Apr 2012 #44

Not sure how I can prove that. randome Apr 2012 #49

does the existence of occupy prevent you from your work toward legislative change? i don't think HiPointDem May 2012 #126

Of course Occupy is not preventing anyone from taking other approaches. randome May 2012 #152

"...are often derided..." = *sob* HiPointDem May 2012 #191

Go to the Occupy Underground forum in Activism and you'll see what I mean. randome May 2012 #193

They did those tactics because the kind YOU would favor Ken Burch May 2012 #266

You appear to be guilty of the very thing you indict others for... LanternWaste May 2012 #170

Once any Left group has a specific leader Ken Burch May 2012 #262

The current model OWS has is also not working. randome May 2012 #264

Depends on the group dynamic. Ken Burch May 2012 #276

Wins the thread. ellisonz Apr 2012 #21

+99% pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #36

+1. now that king is dead he's the saint of the bourgies, most of whom reviled him when he was HiPointDem Apr 2012 #83

Yep-- they promote people like MLK and Ghandi as icons of passivity and Marr May 2012 #122

The same Dr. King who helped organize the Montgomery bus boycott? intheflow May 2012 #118

Define "enormous flop". TBF Apr 2012 #17

Union weakness isn't an excuse... brooklynite May 2012 #181

The fact that we have anyone protesting in this police state TBF May 2012 #184

I've been offline. What general strike? thanks. uppityperson Apr 2012 #18

LINK: May Day Directory: Occupy General Strike In Over 135 Cities pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #22

Thank you, off to read it uppityperson Apr 2012 #33

Here you go: ellisonz Apr 2012 #24

Thanks, off to read uppityperson Apr 2012 #32

I can't do it. I need the money. knitter4democracy Apr 2012 #29

we understand that 2pooped2pop Apr 2012 #57

Really, your situation is understood and Occupiers certainly are sympathetic... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #60

Thank you. knitter4democracy Apr 2012 #100

Do what you can. backscatter712 May 2012 #158

Occupiers understand that better than most - TBF May 2012 #185

So now striking is like wielding a machete? Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #34

So you think a strike is like wielding a machete? Well then civil disobedience must be like Zalatix May 2012 #204

What would it take.. Triloon Apr 2012 #37

+1 TBF Apr 2012 #39

+2 and welcome to DU, Triloon! pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #52

... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #96

i think they know it is not going to a an actual general 2pooped2pop Apr 2012 #40

I agree NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #45

so no point in even bothering to protest, eh? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #42

I'm retired so I have an excuse! MoonRiver Apr 2012 #48

Um, excuse, me, retired? randome Apr 2012 #50

Why did you try to insult MoonRiver? Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #51

It was a joke. randome Apr 2012 #54

Sorry about misinterpreting. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #56

Never a problem. randome Apr 2012 #58

It's Amazing to Me....that you are Predicting! Why is this "Flop" so imortant to you? KoKo Apr 2012 #53

My guess is that since Occupy claims to represent damned near everyone... randome Apr 2012 #61

Bunch of Gobbledygook ellisonz Apr 2012 #67

Ewww. Soda? randome Apr 2012 #69

Umm...? ellisonz Apr 2012 #73

fail got root Apr 2012 #90

aim at the problem, not the symptom got root Apr 2012 #84

But we have no hope of getting a progressive government Ken Burch May 2012 #323

It's a typical hit and run post. myrna minx Apr 2012 #71

T Flying Squirrel Apr 2012 #59

There is a general strike planned? Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #63

LINK: May Day Directory: Occupy General Strike In Over 135 Cities pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #86

Thanks Taylor Smite Apr 2012 #92

I believe a time will come when such actions will be successful... jimlup Apr 2012 #64

Couldn't agree more- Register to vote, occupy the polls. Simple solution. nt cecilfirefox Apr 2012 #66

If the MSM ignores it then how would most people know? Odin2005 Apr 2012 #68

not surprised you'd say so. but painting king in some kind of opposition to occupy = the HiPointDem Apr 2012 #74

it is just another absurdity in the OP quinnox Apr 2012 #82

Oh my LORD. woo me with science Apr 2012 #104

Well, you know, "some say" that King was really a Republican. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #110

Obviously, MLK would have counseled caution, do not go into the streets to protest... pinboy3niner May 2012 #115

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. got root Apr 2012 #76

a strike is not a violent action and is protected by our constitution quinnox Apr 2012 #77

to the new world order it is got root Apr 2012 #85

Where are strikes mentioned in the Constitution, and how ..... oldhippie Apr 2012 #103

They aren't protected in the Constitution... white_wolf May 2012 #129

...and you'll be here uncontrollably cheering on it's demise the entire day! Earth_First Apr 2012 #78

How is a general strike "outrage and a machete" ? marmar Apr 2012 #80

yeah, it's slander by folks parroting the memes of the elite got root Apr 2012 #87

general strike = rwandan massacre. isn't it clear? don't you agree? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #95

That's the sort of rhetoric you get woo me with science May 2012 #123

I'm with ya. If you want change history shows the best thing raouldukelives Apr 2012 #91

I predict if they are arrested for nothing and die in jail cells stupidicus Apr 2012 #94

We are expecting minimal impact on our campus ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #97

which campus? got root Apr 2012 #98

Agreed. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #99

This thread is the first I've heard of it (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #101

You Damn Hippies, Get off my Lawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vanje Apr 2012 #102

Since you fail to define your terms ("flop" vs. "success"), this coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #105

So what. I'm getting together and meeting up with some cool like-minded people. limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #106

This is the first I've heard of it treestar Apr 2012 #107

And It Is Obvious,That That, Is EXACTLY What You Want... WillyT Apr 2012 #109

So, in your opinion, rather than getting out in the streets, what should we do? MadHound Apr 2012 #111

And I predict you would call it an enormous flop no matter what. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #112

Bwaahaahaa! Thanks for that, totally made my night as I plan for tomorrow. Zorra Apr 2012 #113

+99%. Many of us here will also be with you in the streets for MayDay, Zorra pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #114

And for that reason alone, I will kick this thread! lonestarnot May 2012 #116

That is a great post, Zorra... Luminous Animal May 2012 #117

Glad you think so, LA. Some things are just so very.... Zorra May 2012 #237

I'm running across a pretty high incidence of "Don't feed the beast. Let it ALL crash & burn." BUT patrice May 2012 #119

What's the alternative Ken Burch May 2012 #135

Please, don't try to claim King as some kind of moderate milquetoast. Marr May 2012 #120

I don't think OP is saying that. That long arc that King told us about requires MUCH more patrice May 2012 #124

Considering he/she flatly stated that strikes don't work, Marr May 2012 #128

Occupy Denver donheld May 2012 #125

Thanks for the opportunity to post this link to MayDay events around the country :) pinboy3niner May 2012 #130

Oh, and my prediction: Come MayDay, this OP will be proved to be an enormous flop pinboy3niner May 2012 #132

This OP was right on the money.... Joe the Revelator May 2012 #162

You wish Cali_Democrat May 2012 #203

It has not endured in the slightest....during the winter when it died.... Joe the Revelator May 2012 #239

You must live in a cave somewhere Rex May 2012 #273

What's 'funny' is you laughing at people who want to be on your side. randome May 2012 #274

Oh are you sure...those OWS people could turn Rex May 2012 #307

And you were proven to be correct, Pinboy. You are a far better predictor than the OP. I'll put sabrina 1 May 2012 #313

Look, you've always had your cards on the table. Ken Burch May 2012 #133

Why don't you just admit your're essentially a conservative and be done with it? Ken Burch May 2012 #134

So not supporting OWS = RW? Really? nt hack89 May 2012 #143

Trashing OWS is what the RW does. bahrbearian May 2012 #153

"Trashing" is in the eye of the beholder hack89 May 2012 #159

Following ineffectual stupidity is what the RW does....thinking for ourselves is what the left is Joe the Revelator May 2012 #161

So how left are you? Obama left, Pelosi,left. Not really left are they. bahrbearian May 2012 #164

This is a question our "relativistic" leftists NEVER answer....... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #232

Does Marxist count? bahrbearian May 2012 #233

Half the people on this forum who call themselves leftists... white_wolf May 2012 #236

Dissing OWS is...telling people that OWS isn't worth shit is. Ken Burch May 2012 #169

I believe Hack89 has done a lot in Wisconsin during the current 'difficulties'. randome May 2012 #172

criticism, yes...dismissal, not so much. Ken Burch May 2012 #201

The ones that want war are neocons that ran for deferments when the time to fight bluestate10 May 2012 #216

Is 99% Spring right wing? nt hack89 May 2012 #186

Those who built the 99% Spring should just have joined Occupy Ken Burch May 2012 #202

There does not appear to be a place in OWS for those of us that hack89 May 2012 #245

There are a lot of people who support specific parties within Occupy Ken Burch May 2012 #247

Well, you just put your finger on why OWS has some competition. hack89 May 2012 #249

I support the Democratic Party and I wasn't pissing on you. Ken Burch May 2012 #251

Is this contradictory? WinniSkipper May 2012 #195

What else would you call supporting a totally unjustified splinter group Ken Burch May 2012 #210

So you reject members of the Democratic Pary hack89 May 2012 #246

What an utterly nonsensical claim. Where did you get the idea that OWS doesn't want democrats? Do sabrina 1 May 2012 #248

Why don't you read the post that I am replying to. hack89 May 2012 #250

I AM a member of the Democratic Party and a supporter of Occupy Ken Burch May 2012 #254

So then 99% Spring is for those of us that do endorse Democrats hack89 May 2012 #256

You weren't forbidden to individually work for Dems as a member of OWS. Ken Burch May 2012 #260

You have all these established organizations with many of the same goals of OWS hack89 May 2012 #265

Then the 99% Spring shouldn't have come in with the attitude that "we can do it and OWS can't" Ken Burch May 2012 #267

OWS should not defer to anyone. I certainly don't defer to them. hack89 May 2012 #296

There has to be SOME independence Ken Burch May 2012 #298

And yet there was no progress on those issues hack89 May 2012 #322

It comes down to giving the "leaders" no alternative but to do what's right. Ken Burch May 2012 #324

The only leverage you have over these leaders is the ballot. hack89 May 2012 #326

Which organizations are those? Ken Burch May 2012 #268

MoveOn.org, Rebuild The Dream, AFL-CIO, United Auto Workers, CODEPINK: Women for Peace, hack89 May 2012 #294

And Occupy wasn't dissing those groups-nor was I,actually. Ken Burch May 2012 #300

Wraith seems to be a moderate, with some progressive tendencies., bluestate10 May 2012 #215

You can't have progressive tendencies and devote ALL your posts here to bashing the Left Ken Burch May 2012 #224

You've never offered a good alternative-in fact, you've never offered a POSITIVE message at all Ken Burch May 2012 #137

You use YOUR chisel on the people, not the oppressors Ken Burch May 2012 #138

Bookmarked. lamp_shade May 2012 #139

slow change ISN'T change Ken Burch May 2012 #140

Gradualism doesn't mean surrender and defeat. Arkana May 2012 #149

There's a huge difference between gradualism and expecting a long struggle Ken Burch May 2012 #168

The only victories that mattered in the Civil Rights movement were the 1964 and 1965 bills Ken Burch May 2012 #208

No other claim you made in this thread shows how blind you are. bluestate10 May 2012 #217

I salute all those who struggled for justice Ken Burch May 2012 #223

We don't even have gradualism. woo me with science May 2012 #321

The failure is not to try. mmonk May 2012 #145

The Status Quo: You're one of the "fringe people" if you don't go with the flow! nt Romulox May 2012 #147

Lmao. EFerrari May 2012 #148

Whatever lunatica May 2012 #150

My, aren't we concerned today? n/t backscatter712 May 2012 #151

No, actually I'm not. HappyMe May 2012 #163

You're not characterizing "general strike" properly. Robb May 2012 #160

Social Security was originally a third party idea Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #165

The country was younger then. randome May 2012 #166

Um, most European countries have at least three parties and they're a lot more than 230 years old. Chorophyll May 2012 #171

Good point. randome May 2012 #176

What then is the precise and relevant cultural modifier ? LanternWaste May 2012 #174

Hell, I don't know. randome May 2012 #177

The large-and-unwieldy argument Chorophyll May 2012 #182

Didn't realize it was an 'attitude'. randome May 2012 #188

Well, after you hear it from enough people it feels like an attitude. Chorophyll May 2012 #194

I think the people can do damned near anything if they are organized and determined. randome May 2012 #200

Well, that would be cool! Chorophyll May 2012 #211

Premise built from little more than a post hoc ergo prompter hoc foundation , then. LanternWaste May 2012 #183

Okay, Nostradamus. Chorophyll May 2012 #167

What strike? WI_DEM May 2012 #173

Yeah, really... been off DU for a few days and this is the first I've heard of a "General Strike" OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #178

Well, this is true to form. TriMera May 2012 #179

I've never met other dems that hated their fellow dems Rex May 2012 #190

Yep. n/t TriMera May 2012 #192

I can't imagine why anyone responds to this OP...ever. Puglover May 2012 #196

Based on your expectations or that of the strikers themselves? LanternWaste May 2012 #180

What strike? FreeJoe May 2012 #187

This thread is so phuny Rex May 2012 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author HappyMe May 2012 #197

Prediction: whatchamacallit May 2012 #198

But he really loves Obama. girl gone mad May 2012 #206

Oh!!! bluestate10 May 2012 #218

He may own my vote due to lack of choice whatchamacallit May 2012 #222

Occupy Is The Top Headline On Bloomberg At 6 p.m. Tace May 2012 #209

A general strike is sucessful if it is sucessful. former9thward May 2012 #221

How dare you! randome May 2012 #261

That neither of you have either mushy numbers or statistics is not lost on anyone. EFerrari May 2012 #280

That would be proving a negative. randome May 2012 #282

I too favor persistence and patience. bluestate10 May 2012 #212

Huge turnout for OWS May Day march Tace May 2012 #214

+1. Hate to kick this hit and run POS, but... n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #231

Prediction: May Day marches that have been going on for years will now become OWS May Day Marches... SidDithers May 2012 #220

!!! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #234

Said the guy who probably never marched on May Day in his life Ken Burch May 2012 #327

... SidDithers May 2012 #328

Yeah right, Sid...like you were EVER on the Left. Ken Burch May 2012 #329

... SidDithers May 2012 #330

Go ahead...you're just laughing at the truth. Ken Burch May 2012 #332

I'll stop laughing when you stop posting personal attacks... SidDithers May 2012 #333

Nobody claimed that Occupy was the inventor of May Day, or anything remotely like that. Ken Burch May 2012 #335

Wildcat strikes are illegal thanks to efforts by FDR. joshcryer May 2012 #225

Not the flop many had hoped.... Zax2me May 2012 #230

LOL Joe the Revelator May 2012 #241

The best was yet to come 8 months ago, too. randome May 2012 #263

Not a flop at all HarveyDarkey May 2012 #235

Lol! A hilarious thread! I hope you didn't bet money on this! Flop! Lol! sabrina 1 May 2012 #238

What world do you live in? Joe the Revelator May 2012 #240

What was accomplished? WinniSkipper May 2012 #243

'What did they accomplish'? What they set out to accomplish. sabrina 1 May 2012 #244

Pinboy's flyer WinniSkipper May 2012 #253

Hurting them with whom? The OPD -- who is under threat of sanctions? EFerrari May 2012 #284

No, not the OPD WinniSkipper May 2012 #301

Wait, let me get this straight. EFerrari May 2012 #303

No, that's not right WinniSkipper May 2012 #304

Um, if there's no "Joe Average", why do you invoke him? EFerrari May 2012 #305

Let's start with Joe WinniSkipper May 2012 #308

I think you need to put some time in reading EFerrari May 2012 #310

And I respect your WinniSkipper May 2012 #314

The accomplishment was 'success'? randome May 2012 #255

They set out to accomplish success and they succeeded! 4th law of robotics May 2012 #258

Um, the action went global. That's success. EFerrari May 2012 #285

Yeah, you may want to reassess that 4th law of robotics May 2012 #257

Sad thread really, hating on ordinary people Rex May 2012 #272

Very revealing thread. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #286

241 replies and nobody has stepped up yet guardian May 2012 #242

Typical hit-and-run concern troll bullshit RetroLounge May 2012 #252

Pointing out that something is likely to fail doesn't mean you necessarily oppose . . . 4th law of robotics May 2012 #259

With the OP, though, it is. Ken Burch May 2012 #281

Let it go. My 80 year old Mom didn't bank or buy yesterday. EFerrari May 2012 #289

Glad to hear that. La Lucha Continua! Ken Burch May 2012 #290

No one can stop this. EFerrari May 2012 #299

Sorry but May 1st was May Day, not Occupy Day. randome May 2012 #292

OWS has global support. Sorry. EFerrari May 2012 #297

"keep it real" Rex May 2012 #306

Nobody SAID Occupy invented May Day. Ken Burch May 2012 #316

Post #289 implies that Occupy is the driving force behind May Day. randome May 2012 #318

Shhh... SidDithers May 2012 #334

It is sad ain't it? Rex May 2012 #270

How about some candle light to counter the dark? suffragette May 2012 #309

So did the family not respond to offers for modification? randome May 2012 #312

Looks like the last person they helped was able to renegotiate and stay in his home suffragette May 2012 #315

I would always hope for that, as well. randome May 2012 #317

+1 harun May 2012 #319

to quote Nelson.."ha-ha!!!" U4ikLefty May 2012 #325

Has it started yet? slackmaster May 2012 #331

bump for the laughs U4ikLefty May 2012 #336

Capitalist imperialist running dog lackey. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #337