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196. None of those posts express support for the school's policy; they express criticism of the mother

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:15 PM

Feb 2015

or correction of the record (in the case where a poster claims the school has been doing this for months and months, when even grandma says they've done it 6 times).

Funny you linked all those posts but I didn't see you link any where I said the school's policy sucked, so I'll do it for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291183
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291146
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291208
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291108
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291177
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291055
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291146

As it turns out, the school did indeed call the parents when the tardiness became a habitual problem. So that's one point in this storyline that appears false.

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Oregon first-grader humiliated by school�s punishment after being 1 minute late to class [View all] Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP

Fire the person who thought this up. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #1

it was the principal geek tragedy Feb 2015 #7

This guy? KamaAina Feb 2015 #13

You'd better hide that before Skinner sees it tularetom Feb 2015 #63

Or Sid KamaAina Feb 2015 #64

This is a classic case of punishing the child for the parent's issue Wella Feb 2015 #211

She should be fired for using an educational support tool for punishment. msanthrope Feb 2015 #76

Put the principal in the corner to eat lunch, alone for a month. The child shouldn't be punished appalachiablue Feb 2015 #202

And make him/her eat school lunch. KamaAina Feb 2015 #213

Indeed. And write on the blackboard, 'I am a bad principal' 50 times every day. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #214

50 times?! Wuss. KamaAina Mar 2015 #251

Yes, for 60 seconds late. Dear child, just look at that photo- with the 'screen' put up to appalachiablue Mar 2015 #252

Agreed. hifiguy Feb 2015 #42

How many times is it acceptable? Oktober Feb 2015 #96

So we punish the child for the mother's problems. LakeVermilion Feb 2015 #138

So they should let every parent in the school... Oktober Feb 2015 #141

Hopefully not. The kids whose parents are selfish, prayin4rain Feb 2015 #146

The school has no authority to influence the behavior of the parents... Oktober Feb 2015 #149

Oh, I thought you were saying that it makes prayin4rain Feb 2015 #155

If option B is punishment by public humiliation, yes, they should Scootaloo Feb 2015 #151

Got it... Oktober Feb 2015 #163

Treating a first-grader like a leper addresses the problem? Scootaloo Feb 2015 #166

If the parents stop dropping him off late... Oktober Feb 2015 #167

Ends justify the means. Even if the means are child abuse. What a progressive stance Scootaloo Feb 2015 #168

Using that logic then no punishment is acceptable... Oktober Feb 2015 #169

Intimidation and denigration is totally appropriate for being late Scootaloo Feb 2015 #172

Or you can just teach them the importance of punctuality... Oktober Feb 2015 #173

I'm agreeing with you. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #175

As opposed to your proposed plan... Oktober Feb 2015 #177

I didn't propose a plan. I'm simply expressing disgust with yours Scootaloo Feb 2015 #182

Remember what we discussed with the drama bit...? Oktober Feb 2015 #187

Ah yes, suggesting a child write sentences, if they're intentionally tardy. What high drama. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #191

I was referring to the sadism, supermax and Judge Dredd bit... Oktober Feb 2015 #197

You're confusing mockery with drama Scootaloo Feb 2015 #198

Just to recap... Oktober Feb 2015 #200

One more thing Cal Carpenter Mar 2015 #226

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #247

Check the mirror... Thor_MN Feb 2015 #181

Did you have a thought to complete that...? Oktober Feb 2015 #184

Yes, but it's the same as your question. Thor_MN Feb 2015 #186

Must be tough to live in a world to which there only two solutions to any given problem. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #253

Seriously! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #246

So unbelievably tragic and horrible. zappaman Feb 2015 #2

i assume you approve? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #3

that particular poster has long been devoid of empathy, insight, and basic humanity.... villager Feb 2015 #6

Awwww...you're cute. zappaman Feb 2015 #17

First graders tend to be cuter. Hence I'm not down w/ the same kinds of institutional abuse you are. villager Feb 2015 #23

Don't sell yourself short. zappaman Feb 2015 #24

I guess that's why we're both on opposite sides of this issue from you! villager Feb 2015 #26

zappaman, why would you consider that an acceptable form of behavior modification Skittles Feb 2015 #62

Nope. zappaman Feb 2015 #65

I'm not a big fan of people posting everything on the internet Skittles Feb 2015 #69

I'm not a big fan of her habitually bringing the kid late for years (same as the year before) ND-Dem Feb 2015 #88

Oh Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #140

I've repeatedly agreed that the policy sucks. And if you search the net for more on the story you ND-Dem Feb 2015 #183

Pictures of the back of his head being online wouldn't be nearly as painful for a 6 year old pnwmom Feb 2015 #71

6 times. according to grandma. not "day after day". day after day, for at least two years, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #89

You've got that right. n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #49

Yep. predictable response, that one. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #231

Amen. n/t QC Feb 2015 #75

I just don't think it's that big of a deal. zappaman Feb 2015 #16

you dont think sitting alone behind barrier is humiliating for lil kid? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #18

Sure, but posting pics to the world certainly is far more humiliating. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #19

That's one of the stupidest and most heartless things I've read on DU for a while Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

You think the kid doesn't notice that mom always brings him to school late, causing him ND-Dem Feb 2015 #95

Our world is just EFFed up at any rate nolabels Feb 2015 #144

I would be fired Lurker Deluxe Feb 2015 #174

It's the cumlative year...... nolabels Feb 2015 #223

You know what I always wanted to ask a boss? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #230

God, that sucks shit laundry_queen Mar 2015 #232

One thing is for sure, Fumesucker... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #150

^^^THIS^^^ COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #164

Not to mention the teasing he most likely recieved from the other classmates after lunch. jwirr Feb 2015 #158

That is complete bullshit Fumesucker Feb 2015 #20

I'd be more angry at my mom for posting the pics. zappaman Feb 2015 #21

Do you think anything would have been done about this if the pictures hadn't got attention? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #27

yeah, maybe mom will start getting up 10 minutes earlier and getting the kid to school on time. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #98

Do you know if the child is aware of pics being posted? Ilsa Feb 2015 #29

Parents will show the pics to their children at the school. former9thward Feb 2015 #45

Think about it. The kids ALREADY WITNESSED the little boy being punished, over and over, pnwmom Feb 2015 #52

Putting children's pictures on the internet can lead to all sorts former9thward Feb 2015 #54

The pictures just showed the back of his head. What the school did was far more harmful, pnwmom Feb 2015 #70

It's not a contest - they're both harmful. Chemisse Feb 2015 #81

Actually, it was a contest. And the parents won. pnwmom Feb 2015 #86

The car doesn't break down. It just doesn't start 'right away'. Hence, the "one or two minutes" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #101

The mother has a bone disease that causes pain and a three year old to also take care of. pnwmom Feb 2015 #105

Osteoporosis is a disease that makes people habitually "one or two" minutes late? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #108

And what kind of disease makes a person habitually unfeeling toward 6 year olds? pnwmom Feb 2015 #210

I didn't say the child should be punished. I said the parent should get going 15 minutes earlier. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #212

While being habitually a little bit late is not a serious offense, Chemisse Feb 2015 #153

but it won't stop the mom from continuing her stupid, harmful, habitual lateness. yay team! ND-Dem Feb 2015 #103

Sounds like more of your "Far Left" rabble-rousing to me! villager Feb 2015 #60

Yeah, well mom could get her ass out of bed a little earlier too. Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #83

Uh-huh... gcomeau Feb 2015 #30

You must have seen this movie... yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #47

Do you understand that this has been going on for months, and they didn't even tell the parents, pnwmom Feb 2015 #51

They could get him there on time and chose not to do so... Oktober Feb 2015 #97

They didn't choose the mother's bone disease and not having enough money for a reliable car. pnwmom Feb 2015 #102

Leave earlier.. Oktober Feb 2015 #131

The school hadn't told the parents what a problem this was -- they just started punishing the boy. pnwmom Feb 2015 #135

Do parents have to be told to get their child to school... Oktober Feb 2015 #139

false. they contacted the parents. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #206

the only thing that's been going on for months (over a year, actually) is the mom's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106

It's like Solitary Confinement fredamae Feb 2015 #67

If mom can get him there 2 minutes late on a regular basis, she can get him there 2 minutes ND-Dem Feb 2015 #126

It's real easy to Judge fredamae Feb 2015 #143

Pictures of the family are out there; you may be the judge of the severity of disability & ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180

What difference does another persons disability fredamae Feb 2015 #194

If you want more information a simple search will give it. It will also link you to information ND-Dem Feb 2015 #199

;) n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #203

The school has been isolating him like this many times over a period of months pnwmom Feb 2015 #50

Your sarcasm and lack of empathy is odd for a Democrat. Do you really think the punishment fit the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #73

Sorry Rick, but you don't get to define a Democrat. zappaman Feb 2015 #78

Democrat has a definition, and I didn't make it up and they have empathy. The New Democrats rhett o rick Feb 2015 #84

Again, you don't get to define the word, Rick. zappaman Feb 2015 #132

I believe empathy is the mark of a Democrat. Separates us from the Conservatives. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #159

Please stay away from children n/t nichomachus Feb 2015 #80

Are you looking for someone to see how insensitive you are with that? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #148

Your empathy with a six year old child is duly noted. nt COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #162

well might as well punish a first grader CreekDog Feb 2015 #4

Exactly. He's being punished for something he had almost no control over, hughee99 Feb 2015 #11

his mother has control over it though. what lesson is she teaching him? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #107

Then punish HER, not her child. hughee99 Feb 2015 #112

I don't know why they're doing it and I've already said it's a cruel punishment. But mom ND-Dem Feb 2015 #115

I don't think we have the whole story either. I think we both agree that the mom is at fault for hughee99 Feb 2015 #119

your position is reasonable. i personally find it hard to believe this *is* school policy, since ND-Dem Feb 2015 #121

I admit I'm accepting that this is the actual punishment as accurate and it may not be. hughee99 Feb 2015 #127

All this demand for "punishment" is a sickening display of the depth DU has fallen to Scootaloo Feb 2015 #152

Yes the suggestion that IF anyone should be hughee99 Feb 2015 #161

I know. How fucked up to the core! NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #147

WTF?! sakabatou Feb 2015 #5

obscene. how much "work" could the child possibly have to make up being one minute late? niyad Feb 2015 #8

structure what mercuryblues Feb 2015 #68

detention ND-Dem Feb 2015 #111

This kind of shit stays with a kid too... SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #9

Yup Egnever Feb 2015 #12

yes, it does stick w you Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #15

Exactly. Though the coldest-hearted among us could seem to scarcely give a shit. villager Feb 2015 #25

I still remember the packing tape put over my mouth because I was Paulie Feb 2015 #36

but mom does have control. so why no equally strong words for her? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #114

Question... ReRe Feb 2015 #129

If mom was in that picture perhaps my reaction wold be different Paulie Feb 2015 #145

Because she's not the one abusing the child over a weak alternator. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #154

Fifth grade through eighth, I'd simply run out the classroom door and jump the chain link fence. hunter Feb 2015 #77

Good lord Egnever Feb 2015 #10

It will serve him well in the long run LittleBlue Feb 2015 #14

"That's some catch, that Catch-22." villager Feb 2015 #28

Being traumatized as a child never serves anyone well. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #41

That superintendent cwydro Feb 2015 #31

I can remember my 3rd grade teacher giving me hell, Ilsa Feb 2015 #32

I remember a teacher like that Skittles Feb 2015 #34

Oh dear.... Ilsa Feb 2015 #35

that teacher was very cold and reminded me of my mother Skittles Feb 2015 #39

That is the worst -- you're always the new kid. MindPilot Feb 2015 #171

yup that was in England Skittles Feb 2015 #215

When my oldest son was in third grade... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #48

I believe these kind of folk are narcissists and sociopaths Skittles Feb 2015 #61

WTF is this Skittles Feb 2015 #33

That sort of shit scars a person for life... wundermaus Feb 2015 #37

What? Lurker Deluxe Feb 2015 #179

What is a sissy? bravenak Mar 2015 #250

A sexist insult. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #255

How stupid. bravenak Mar 2015 #257

The worst part is listening to them make excuses for it. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #258

I've done that too. bravenak Mar 2015 #259

I was a victim of child abuse... wundermaus Mar 2015 #254

That is seriously fucked. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #38

This is evil, plain and simple. A small evil, preparing children for bigger evils, perhaps. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #40

agreed! Phentex Feb 2015 #43

One Way To Work School to Prison Pipeline? n/t fredamae Feb 2015 #59

+1000 nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #256

They have such fun molding and shaping young minds. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #44

The school has been doing this to him for months, for being a minute or two late. pnwmom Feb 2015 #46

No, it hasn't been doing it "for months" it's done it 6 times, according to grandma. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #123

We make consessions for people with disabilities. bravenak Mar 2015 #228

There's no school bus because the family lives less than a mile from the school, in a house, in this ND-Dem Mar 2015 #229

So no concessions for her disability? bravenak Mar 2015 #233

She claims her disability as osteoporosis, something I and many other women have. She's about 30. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #234

She has early onset osteoporsis and children to run after. bravenak Mar 2015 #235

Maybe I have it too, because I went through menopause at 40. Yet I can get places on time. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #236

Did you also have it at 30 while raising two kids? And if so, so what. bravenak Mar 2015 #237

sorry, we just disagree. i think most people can do it. i think she can do it. if she's ND-Dem Mar 2015 #240

I agree with your last line. bravenak Mar 2015 #241

Good. I'd appreciate you leaving me alone, as no conversation with you has been ND-Dem Mar 2015 #243

I'll post as I please. bravenak Mar 2015 #245

i won't be responding to the unpleasantness however ND-Dem Mar 2015 #248

I really don't give a crap bravenak Mar 2015 #249

There are some really sick sadistic fucks running and working in schools these days. kath Feb 2015 #53

It's a school, not a god damn prison. Stop fucking punishing people. geomon666 Feb 2015 #55

one could argue he is LEARNING to not be late again krawhitham Feb 2015 #104

no worries, mom's teaching him he never has to be on time. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #124

If they were to Turbineguy Feb 2015 #56

I was one of those callers fredamae Feb 2015 #57

oh, i bet you're proud of yourself. the woman also got death threats. and she's not the right- ND-Dem Feb 2015 #219

I left my opinion and fredamae Feb 2015 #221

yes, on the basis of a newspaper article carrying only information from the parents, you ask for ND-Dem Feb 2015 #222

Socialization is considered expendable next to academics. Trillo Feb 2015 #58

There was a time when schools sent busses ... surrealAmerican Feb 2015 #66

I had this happen to me in junior high except dilby Feb 2015 #72

Many days in my public school life, as a young kid named Hunter, were very much like this. hunter Feb 2015 #74

Wow you people have NO idea what is really going on in schools Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #79

... Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #85

Sue the God Damn school system. Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #82

It's a lousy policy, but if you read the article, the fault belongs to the parents. The kid ND-Dem Feb 2015 #87

Is it a progressive value to support punishing the weakest member of a family Trillo Feb 2015 #90

I said, it's a lousy policy, but in the end it's the parent's fault. There's no reason she's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #93

Yes, I saw you said that, but among other things, you're defending picking on the weak. Trillo Feb 2015 #117

I defended no such thing. The school shouldn't punish the kid for something not under his ND-Dem Feb 2015 #122

Okay. Thanks for clarifying your position. Trillo Feb 2015 #125

Everyone assumes the school is not only in the wrong, but staffed with actively malicious ND-Dem Feb 2015 #128

No, judging from your support for it, you don't think it's a "lousy policy" Scootaloo Feb 2015 #156

please, link me to the posts where i express support. since i've repeatedly said it's a ND-Dem Feb 2015 #178

Specifically, you say "it's lousy BUT" and "it's cruel BUT" Scootaloo Feb 2015 #189

None of those posts express support for the school's policy; they express criticism of the mother ND-Dem Feb 2015 #196

If the fault is with the mom, then they should talk to the mom, not punish the child. hughee99 Feb 2015 #92

I agree. I also think the parent should have talked to the school before grandma went on ND-Dem Feb 2015 #94

I agree they should have talked to the school before going public. hughee99 Feb 2015 #99

i agree the school should have talked to the mother and i'd be surprised if it hadn't happened. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #100

Her arthritis and her car aren't "others". I didn't see anywhere that she blamed the school for her hughee99 Feb 2015 #110

of course the punishment's unfair; there's no disagreement there. my issue is that the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #113

While she's certainly no hero in this situation, I don't have any problem with her taking issue hughee99 Feb 2015 #118

yes; she's the author of the problem. and we have no information about the school, since ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120

I don't always call people with disabilities lazy, but when I do Kalidurga Feb 2015 #109

Funny kind of disability, unreliable car, and 3 year old that make you 'one or two minutes' ND-Dem Feb 2015 #116

Well I will call shenanigans on the one or two minutes Kalidurga Feb 2015 #134

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #91

I remember several people were "smoked" for being less than 10 minutes prior JonLP24 Feb 2015 #130

It takes a Village ReRe Feb 2015 #133

All of that is the responsibility of the parents... Oktober Feb 2015 #142

Well... ReRe Feb 2015 #216

Good lord.... Oktober Mar 2015 #238

BECAUSE THE FAMILY... ReRe Mar 2015 #239

To show them where the button is to set their alarm a few minutes earlier? Oktober Mar 2015 #242

I give up... ReRe Mar 2015 #244

If you read about the story in other accounts, the school did indeed "reach out" to the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #188

Since you seem to be so informed on this incidence... ReRe Feb 2015 #217

I don't know if social services was contacted. I suspect not, since the school has shown itself ND-Dem Feb 2015 #218

my kids mother has not been able to get anywhere on time for as long as i have know her dembotoz Feb 2015 #136

people forget that teachers are human Enrique Feb 2015 #137

Nice attempt at spin. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #157

You might try reading some other accounts besides this one which leans so heavily on the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #190

None of the other accounts justify this treatment of a first-grader. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #193

Enrique didn't "slime all teachers" in any way shape or form. Rather the opposite; he noted ND-Dem Feb 2015 #201

But there was no "anti-teacher bias" to respond to here Scootaloo Feb 2015 #204

"Teachers are human" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #205

That poster should ring a Bell. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #224

It's funny how the people defending the bullies in this case geomon666 Feb 2015 #160

they are changing the policy Enrique Feb 2015 #165

How could they punish him when someone else brings him to school? treestar Feb 2015 #170

He is under their power and the mother is not Fumesucker Feb 2015 #225

If this incident really occurred, ladjf Feb 2015 #176

The tardy mark on the child's attendance record is sufficient. Sunlei Feb 2015 #185

Why didn't Little Mr. Lazypants get himself up at 4 am, Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #192

the internet is providing her with an education Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #209

This thread has been a real a-hole magnet. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #195

agreed Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #208

No school bus? abelenkpe Feb 2015 #207

the parents live less than a mile away. i've checked out the neighborhood on google maps. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #220

You have to be careful with tardiness penalties bluestateguy Mar 2015 #227