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Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:16 PM

H2O Man (70,999 posts)

61. Very good!

Thank you for this.

I think it is important to recognize that the US military involvement in Vietnam actually started under President Truman. (Had FDR lived, it would have been very different.) Despite Ho's letters to Truman -- that focused on the mutual benefits to be accrued from US investment in a free Vietnam, Truman refused to answer him. Instead, he stated that "yellow people" were not "ready" for democracy. He began the investment -- not only financing the lion's share of the money needed for the French attempt to re-colonize Vietnam, but also sending military-intelligence operatives to assist in the fighting.

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Red Scare #9 [View all]	H2O Man	Mar 2015	OP
kick	Warren Stupidity	Mar 2015	#1
Thanks.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#4
Go to church ...or the Devil will take over.	L0oniX	Mar 2015	#2
"Heaven for the climate,	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#8
What is this... nuance?	Bucky	Mar 2015	#3
No, I promise!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#10
The Day Joe McCarthy came to DU.	leveymg	Mar 2015	#51
It's the "Love it or Leave It", "You're with us or against us", "Not as Bad" wing of the party.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#5
Iraq... Love it or leave it!	world wide wally	Mar 2015	#9
Outstanding answer.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#12
Excellent comment.. You could add to your list of the 'blame game' tactic, 'blame the voters'	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#14
Can we get the pledge flavored with Vanilla?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#34
I suppose so, but I am resistant to 'loyalty pledges' regardless of how they are flavored! Lol!	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#35
Flavored with Rum or Tequila might be a more effective inducement to oath taking.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#36
It would take a whole lot of that with a few stronger drugs to get me to take any 'loyalty oaths'	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#40
Even as a drunk & druggie I found them unpalatable and even more so now.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#43
Great quote from Jefferson. And that is why we have a country AND parties to even fight over,	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#55
But Lemon Pledge keeps your table shiney!	hootinholler	Mar 2015	#68
+ 1000. nt	antigop	Mar 2015	#15
and our "outrage" is "manufactured". nt	antigop	Mar 2015	#16
"vote for the candidate who can win and ignore their record"	Martin Eden	Mar 2015	#18
Thanks...	onyourleft	Mar 2015	#21
I don't think they are even pretending this time will be different, any more.	djean111	Mar 2015	#26
+1 !	KoKo	Mar 2015	#69
I've seen this here, and I don't like it either...	ms liberty	Mar 2015	#6
Thank you!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#23
Alerting.	Zorra	Mar 2015	#7
Jury Results:	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#29
I'm fixing this. Few realize that Nixon was a staunch McCartneyist who almost beat Kennedy in 1960.	Zorra	Mar 2015	#39
The strange thing	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#44
Your OP's are exactly the length they need to be.	Zorra	Mar 2015	#56
Exactly.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#57
Number NIne, Number Nine, Number Nine	zeemike	Mar 2015	#11
Right.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#31
When I played it backwards, I thought I heard "Paul is a dead man" (perhaps an	KingCharlemagne	Mar 2015	#45
The end of	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#52
why can't you write pretty	KG	Mar 2015	#13
I'll try my best:	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#32
Thank you...	onyourleft	Mar 2015	#17
And thank you!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#38
Part of it I believe is driven by overconfidence.	Rex	Mar 2015	#19
And some of it is actually support for neo-liberal policies.	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#20
True and it appears there are a few here that do.	Rex	Mar 2015	#22
Yes, like Chained CPI eg. Or the support for the continuation of neocon wars. At least we are no	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#25
Well it is sad when all people want is for money to get out of politics and they get yelled at.	Rex	Mar 2015	#42
Interesting points.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#41
I don't think it is the leaders as much as the policy wonks they hire	Rex	Mar 2015	#46
And then again, a real leader doesn't need policy wonks to tell them how to think.	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#54
Excellent OP, H20 Man	Oilwellian	Mar 2015	#24
Someone on another thread called Trotsky a 'red Fascist,' so clearly logo-	KingCharlemagne	Mar 2015	#47
!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#59
Right.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#58
As always, sane and articulate and taking the long view. Thanks H2O Man.	Hekate	Mar 2015	#27
Thank you.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#60
I skip a lot, trash others. Had my faith almost restored by the responses to FLyellowdog	Hekate	Mar 2015	#64
I am trying to learn to do that. But sometimes some things require a response, to correct the	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#70
"Your thinking, Sir,	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#71
excellent contrast using Johnson's 'Great' Society efforts vs. his Vietnam push	bigtree	Mar 2015	#28
Very good!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#61
don't remember Truman and MLK associating	bigtree	Mar 2015	#62
Fair enough.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#66
fascinating	bigtree	Mar 2015	#67
Excellent OP as always, H20 Man ...	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#30
Thank you.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#72
Because happiness is a warm gun	seveneyes	Mar 2015	#33
Since "half of what I say is meaningless," think I'll just	KingCharlemagne	Mar 2015	#48
A great song.	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#73
Excellent post	malaise	Mar 2015	#37
Thank you!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#74
Joseph Heller spoofs the whole 'loyalty oath' segment in "Catch 22" when his	KingCharlemagne	Mar 2015	#49
"Give me Eat". Major ___de Coverly.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#50
Holy shit!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#53
was written by McCartney in India after he saw two	GeorgeGist	Mar 2015	#63
k&r...	spanone	Mar 2015	#65
K&Ring bit late!	MannyGoldstein	Mar 2015	#75
I missed this one H2O Man..	2banon	Apr 2015	#76

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