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Better Believe It

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Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:45 PM Apr 2012

Jeremy Scahill: The United States Has Become A 'Nation of Assassins' With Drone Attacks [View all]

Jeremy Scahill: US Has Become 'Nation of Assassins'
US Peace conference puts face to drone victims
by Common Dreams staff
April 30, 2012


Peace group CODEPINK and the legal advocacy organizations Reprieve and the Center for Constitutional Rights hosted the first International Drone Summit as a way to build an organizing strategy against the growing use of drones, call an end to airstrikes that kill innocent civilians, and to prevent the potentially widespread misuse both overseas and in the United States.

"Drone victims are not just figures on a piece of paper, they are real people and that’s why it is important to see what happens on the ground when a missile hits a target," said Pakistani attorney Shahzad Akbar, according to the Pakistani newspaper DAWN. “We have to see what exactly is happening on the ground, what is happening to the people,” he told the Washington conference.

During his speech, journalist Jeremy Scahill, who has done in-depth reporting on the US drone program in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen, questioned the Obama Administration's policy of assassination. "What is happening to this country right now?" asked Scahill after noting that recent legislation in the US Congress opposing the assassination of US citizens abroad without due process received only six votes in the House of Representatives. "We have become a nation of assassins. We have become a nation that is somehow silent in the face of -- or embraces, as polls indicate -- the idea that assassination should be one of the centerpieces of US foreign policy. How dangerous is this? It's a throwback to another era -- an era that I think many Americans thought was behind them. And the most dangerous part of this is the complicity of ordinary people in it."

Scahill was emphatic in his talk that the drone and assassination programs have received wide bi-partisan support and lamented those in the US who ceased to voice their concern over such policies as soon as President Bush left office. "President Obama has shown us in a very clear way that when it comes to the premiere national security policy of this nation, there is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans."

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/30-2


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Peace conference puts face to drone victims
by Anwar Iqbal |
April 29, 2012


WASHINGTON: Drone victims are not just figures on a piece of paper, they are real people and that’s why it is important to see what happens on the ground when a missile hits a target, argues Pakistani attorney Shahzad Akbar.

“We have to see what exactly is happening on the ground, what is happening to the people,” he told a Washington conference on drones.

Akbar told an audience of about 300 people from across the United States that it was important to put faces on the drone victims; otherwise people will not understand their plight.

“They feel this imminent threat of being attacked from the sky. And they feel helpless because they have no other place to relocate. Many have no skills, no education, so they cannot relocate to other parts of Pakistan,” he said. Advocate Akbar showed a photo of a teenager named Saadullah, who was helping his mother in the kitchen when a drone hit their home in Fata in 2009. He woke up in a hospital three days later without his legs.

Read the full article at:

http://dawn.com/2012/04/30/peace-conference-puts-face-to-drone-victims-fm/


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 30, 2012

ACLU Credits White House for Drone Strike Transparency, but Says Program Still Unlawful
ACLU National Security Experts Warn Program Flouts Constitution



NEW YORK - April 30 - President Obama’s top counter-terrorism adviser today publicly confirmed that the United States conducts targeted killings of suspected terrorists using drones.

In a speech this afternoon at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, John Brennan insisted the targeted strikes are a “wise choice” and “legal” and within the boundaries of international law. However, ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer said Brennan’s statement did not go far in explaining how the program passed constitutional muster.

“This is an important statement – first because it includes an unambiguous acknowledgement of the targeted killing program and second because it includes the administration’s clearest explanation thus far of the program’s purported legal basis.” Jaffer said.

“But Mr. Brennan supplies legal conclusions, not legal analysis. We continue to believe that the administration should release the Justice Department memos underlying the program – particularly the memo that authorizes the extrajudicial killing of American terrorism suspects. And the administration should release the evidence it relied on to conclude that an American citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi, could be killed without charge, trial, or judicial process of any kind.”

Brennan maintained the Obama administration was committed to transparency when it came to deciding who would be subject to lethal drone strikes. But Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU National Security Project, said the program is both unconstitutional and overly broad.

“We continue to believe, based on the information available, that the program itself is not just unlawful but dangerous. This statement makes clear that the administration is treating legal restrictions on the use of force as questions of preference. Moreover, it is dangerous to characterize the entire planet as a battlefield,” Shamsi said.

“It is dangerous to give the President the authority to order the extrajudicial killing of any person – including any American – he believes to be a terrorist. The administration insists that the program is closely supervised, but to propose that a secret deliberation that takes place entirely within the executive branch constitutes ‘due process’ is to strip the Fifth Amendment of its essential meaning.”

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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) conserves America's original civic values working in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in the United States by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-credits-white-house-drone-strike-transparency-says-program-still-unlawful


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But then we'd be allowing all those terrorists coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #1
Um, our democracy drones bring freedom quinnox Apr 2012 #2
"Democracy drones" is a bit like "liberty napalm" and "freedom bombs". Better Believe It Apr 2012 #4
indeed n/t quinnox Apr 2012 #5
They say marketing is everything, try to sell "kill a wedding party full of women and children" it Dragonfli May 2012 #112
One person's opinion. bluestate10 Apr 2012 #3
Then trot them out Autumn Apr 2012 #6
It is easier for you to find a firebrand willing to open his mouth, than bluestate10 May 2012 #144
Clearly, no actual good has come of the drones. Ken Burch May 2012 #84
Please trot them out. But they need to have the credentials Scahill has. Reports today from sabrina 1 May 2012 #124
Ditto, and why are we attacking Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, American citizens? sad sally May 2012 #142
Another Obama Administration-bashing article from Better Believe It. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #7
another criticizing the messenger without commenting on the content nt msongs Apr 2012 #8
The messenger has an agenda. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #9
Uh huh. blue neen Apr 2012 #10
There are plenty of places that welcome Obama-bashing during the general election season. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #12
We agree. blue neen Apr 2012 #17
Thanks! :D Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #34
So all those thousands of posts on against Bush's wars weren't sincere... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #23
I feel very badly about your dilemma. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #26
I don't have a dilemma. There is a wide world wide web out there and there is Occupy. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #36
How do you think assisting the election of Mitt Romney is going to help your goals? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #40
Got it. Protesting against war and drone warfare = assisting Romney. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #45
Nope - Posting Obama-bashing articles incessantly at a board committed to re-electing him Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #46
Democratic Underground is an arm of the Democratic Party? Luminous Animal May 2012 #48
And posting here will sway the Election too!!! neverforget May 2012 #52
Allow me to quote the Terms of Service that you have agreed to. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #53
Given that Romney hasn't critisized either Bush or Obama for their wars (that is, Romney Luminous Animal May 2012 #73
"I understand what you are saying." Clearly you do not. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #81
Oh, I do see. Too many ant-war posts = bashing Obama. It's okay to be little bit anti-war but Luminous Animal May 2012 #90
Please stop misrepresenting me. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #93
Fine, I'll repost the article whatchamacallit May 2012 #118
First. Obama is NOT the emperor of democrats. 2nd opposing policy decisions is our right got root May 2012 #68
Yup, and opposing *horrific* policy decisions is not just our right, woo me with science May 2012 #104
We don't have to be silent about the barbaric drone program to re-elect the prez Ken Burch May 2012 #86
Bravo! You have my respect for your beliefs, they show character and honesty. /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #94
Hear, hear. nt woo me with science May 2012 #107
They appear to be saying just that without even realizing it Dragonfli May 2012 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch May 2012 #96
You can't just say that ANY criticism is "bashing". Ken Burch May 2012 #82
No, I can't. And I don't. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #87
So basically you have it out for BBI and would try to get him banned (by slander if necessary) Dragonfli May 2012 #91
I have it out for the tactic of posting Obama-bashing threads incessantly here at DU. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #99
Sorry, it sounds personal to me, you should post on the content of the OP rather than Dragonfli May 2012 #106
How could it be personal? I don't know anything about BBI other than his or her tactics. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #114
How can it be personal? Dude, you are an admitted stalker of BBI that has said Dragonfli May 2012 #116
Is there any reason we should be made to be publicly silent about the drones? Ken Burch May 2012 #92
I have not advocated that you should be made to be publicly silent about the drones. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #100
Nothing BBI is doing is going to help Romney Ken Burch May 2012 #105
Take a look at another BBI thread down below, the religious belief one. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #119
Nailed it perfectly. nt Bobbie Jo May 2012 #171
Kudos Swede May 2012 #172
So what the message reveals doesn't matter, Autumn Apr 2012 #11
See Post #12. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #13
Yes the messenger does. Stop assassinating people around the world. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #14
I invite you to read the Terms of Service you agreed to when signing up for an account. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #20
I think that comes in when Skinner says so, not when you say so. Autumn Apr 2012 #22
What do you say? Are both major party candidates clear or not? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #29
I doesn't matter what I say. Skinner is the one who will announce that. Autumn May 2012 #130
nowhere in the TOS does it say we must support all policies of the Obama administration quinnox Apr 2012 #25
I don't believe I said that at all. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #31
So, advocating against the wars is anti-Obama. Got it. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #28
Obama ended the Iraq War. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #32
I am so glad we pulled out of Afghanistan and pulled back our freedom drones from other countries Dragonfli May 2012 #101
He ended it too late to matter Ken Burch May 2012 #102
It should never have been started. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #108
World War I and World War II ended immediately. So did our Civil War. Ken Burch May 2012 #110
It may have been because the Iraqis asked us to leave at the date they set with Bush Dragonfli May 2012 #115
You have an agenda. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #15
Yes, I do - the re-election of the Democratic candidate for president. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #16
You attack leftists.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #24
It's attacking someone to point out they keep posting Obama-bashing articles here? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #27
Just because you appear not to know the difference, the truth is not Obama Bashing, it is simply the Dragonfli Apr 2012 #39
And the truth is that Better Believe It again and again posts Obama-bashing articles here. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #41
He posts many articles that are true and embarrassing for our party, I will grant you that Dragonfli May 2012 #69
Bashing is not a real word, it is childish and rude, close to breaking the rules here Dragonfli May 2012 #76
"Bashing" is a word used in the Terms of Service. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #79
I am not as new as you, long ago they did not use such a childish term. Dragonfli May 2012 #83
Really? You signed up in 2004. I signed up in 2002. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #85
Good! then you remember that the teenage words are new in the TOS, that makes it easier to Dragonfli May 2012 #98
What is your plan to get Democrats elected and re-elected? blue neen Apr 2012 #30
they remind me of these guys got root May 2012 #47
As apposed to a series of posts that assume the worst of Obama, sounds good to me karynnj May 2012 #133
Yes, the same agenda we all had when it was a Bush doing it, some don't change their views with the Dragonfli Apr 2012 #38
How do you expect assisting the election of Mitt Romney will advance your stated goals? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #42
Who is campaigning for Mitt Romney here? The discussion is about an issue, not who Dragonfli May 2012 #59
It's kind of interesing that you feel the need to tell us who BBI is supporting for POTUS. blue neen May 2012 #70
It has come up and I have a memory, so I felt I should enlighten those that are ignorant of the fact Dragonfli May 2012 #74
Undermining and bashing the Democrat candidate incessantly is the equivalent Bolo Boffin May 2012 #71
It is a simplistic childish view complete with childish words like "bashing". Reality is not so Dragonfli May 2012 #75
i don't think a campaign comercial will be enough got root Apr 2012 #18
It's a battle of words, the poster bearer cried. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #21
yeah, and what you brought to the table isn't enough to gloss over the crimes committed in our names got root Apr 2012 #35
So I'm attempting to gloss over the crimes committed in our names? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #43
yes got root May 2012 #50
The Generals sat and the lines on the map , move from side to side. Dragonfli May 2012 #55
Who knows which is which and who is who? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #56
Does Skinner know you're out here harassing members of his web site? EFerrari May 2012 #60
If what you think I'm doing is harassing, why don't you let him know? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #66
Yes, you are discussing the poster and not the article. EFerrari May 2012 #134
llow a editorial critical of specific policies to stand on its own merit also. LanternWaste May 2012 #151
Over the even more "right" candidate, most assuredly, but I will not support needless death. Dragonfli May 2012 #64
Where have I asked you to support needless death? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #67
You're kidding right? The OP is about NOT supporting this shit, and you call it "bashing" Dragonfli May 2012 #72
No, I am not kidding. I have never asked you to support needless deaths. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #78
It may be wrong in other cases, but not in this OP, the only way to please you here Dragonfli May 2012 #80
Children Killed. Rescuers Killed. Hissyspit May 2012 #109
Imagine those numbers under a President McCain. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #111
Imagine those numbers under a peace loving Democrat (try zero as the goal) /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #113
We don't have to imagine the numbers under Obama. They are real. morningfog May 2012 #126
Oh, I bet you can think of how much worse President McCain would have been. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #128
And you might actually be wrong. Although we'll never know. Hissyspit May 2012 #155
You think a President McCain body count would have been better than President Obama's? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #156
Obama's IS too high. That is the point. morningfog May 2012 #159
Too high compared to what? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #161
Too high compared to those who are innocent and should be alive. morningfog May 2012 #163
"Yes, war is hell." Bolo Boffin May 2012 #165
War is a racket. morningfog May 2012 #166
I'll be happy to discuss this with you further here. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #167
Brennan has no legitimacy after being caught in a lie about civilian dead in drone strikes. morningfog May 2012 #169
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #137
Maybe the U.S. ProSense Apr 2012 #19
Drone strike transparency pscot May 2012 #49
It wasn't ProSense May 2012 #51
doesn't really give a wit what other countries or people think got root May 2012 #61
. ProSense May 2012 #63
. got root May 2012 #65
Every major war in the last century has involved bombing cities bhikkhu Apr 2012 #33
it's murder, just the same, on a smaller scale got root Apr 2012 #37
We're at war with Yemen and Pakistan? gratuitous Apr 2012 #44
Families of drone victims probably think so. nt EFerrari May 2012 #62
don't forget, we've also launched drone attacks in the Philippines sad sally May 2012 #150
Absolutely gratuitous May 2012 #153
There's no way "freedom-leeching" drones and the control they have now and will continue to sad sally May 2012 #154
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #54
White House approves broader Yemen drone campaign neverforget May 2012 #57
Cowards and assassins with lousy aim..... DeSwiss May 2012 #58
wow! it's amazing how much better a thread can become by putting just a few people on ignore got root May 2012 #77
Do you always air your dirty laundry in public? lonestarnot May 2012 #95
no, but i do pass along tips on how to keep it clean got root May 2012 #122
So does MIRT... SidDithers May 2012 #162
IDGNDFDUFDBDFDFND randome May 2012 #123
Add me to your list. bluestate10 May 2012 #146
ha... you too! fascisthunter May 2012 #158
No problem. No doubt Obama will bring the assassins to justice along with their bosses. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #89
30,000 Drones, one coming to your neighborhood soon BetsysGhost May 2012 #97
Good luck trying to end these policies under a Republican President, all. nt patrice May 2012 #103
Well, we knew that, which is why we elected Democrats. sabrina 1 May 2012 #125
We have no chance of ending them under a Democratic one either. Not much difference here. morningfog May 2012 #127
We haven't had any luck ending it under a Democratic President Autumn May 2012 #138
Kick for Jeremy Scahill, he has done a great job reporting on the MIC and Blackwater! Dragonfli May 2012 #117
Is Jeremy Scahill running for office? Electric Monk May 2012 #120
Not as far as I know, what have you heard? I would support a truth seeking journalist for congress Dragonfli May 2012 #121
Stay home dems, stay home. JoePhilly May 2012 #129
You're off topic. Do you have an opinion on what is being discussed? Better Believe It May 2012 #131
I did share it. I'll expand. JoePhilly May 2012 #132
Do you wish to refute the article or not? So far you haven't. Better Believe It May 2012 #135
We use drones. Better that then sending in ground troops. JoePhilly May 2012 #139
Attacks to the right of him, attacks to the left!!! DeSwiss May 2012 #136
A few points ... JoePhilly May 2012 #140
Fortunately ant railing in the wilderness are unheard. bluestate10 May 2012 #148
Keep up the good work! Rex May 2012 #141
I can't believe that democrats and so-called progressives defend this shit.... mike_c May 2012 #143
I was ok with it when Bush did it and am ok now that Obama does it. bluestate10 May 2012 #149
Actually, since it is killing non-combatants and rescuers, they are quite probably war crimes. Hissyspit May 2012 #157
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2012 #145
We only kill people who *don't like* us. kenny blankenship May 2012 #147
Do you REALLY think this is anything NEW? Bake May 2012 #152
What's the alternative, Mr. Scahill? Daniel537 May 2012 #160
How about following the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Better Believe It May 2012 #164
Homeland != Fatherland.. Fumesucker May 2012 #168
So if an American goes overseas, joins al-Qaida and declares war against his country Daniel537 May 2012 #170
If an American becomes a Marxist and declares "war" against capitalism should they be murdured? Better Believe It May 2012 #173
If they also join a terrorist group outside the ability of US power to arrest and then Bolo Boffin May 2012 #174
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