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Showing Original Post only (View all)Jeremy Scahill: The United States Has Become A 'Nation of Assassins' With Drone Attacks [View all]
Jeremy Scahill: US Has Become 'Nation of Assassins'US Peace conference puts face to drone victims
by Common Dreams staff
April 30, 2012
Peace group CODEPINK and the legal advocacy organizations Reprieve and the Center for Constitutional Rights hosted the first International Drone Summit as a way to build an organizing strategy against the growing use of drones, call an end to airstrikes that kill innocent civilians, and to prevent the potentially widespread misuse both overseas and in the United States.
"Drone victims are not just figures on a piece of paper, they are real people and thats why it is important to see what happens on the ground when a missile hits a target," said Pakistani attorney Shahzad Akbar, according to the Pakistani newspaper DAWN. We have to see what exactly is happening on the ground, what is happening to the people, he told the Washington conference.
During his speech, journalist Jeremy Scahill, who has done in-depth reporting on the US drone program in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen, questioned the Obama Administration's policy of assassination. "What is happening to this country right now?" asked Scahill after noting that recent legislation in the US Congress opposing the assassination of US citizens abroad without due process received only six votes in the House of Representatives. "We have become a nation of assassins. We have become a nation that is somehow silent in the face of -- or embraces, as polls indicate -- the idea that assassination should be one of the centerpieces of US foreign policy. How dangerous is this? It's a throwback to another era -- an era that I think many Americans thought was behind them. And the most dangerous part of this is the complicity of ordinary people in it."
Scahill was emphatic in his talk that the drone and assassination programs have received wide bi-partisan support and lamented those in the US who ceased to voice their concern over such policies as soon as President Bush left office. "President Obama has shown us in a very clear way that when it comes to the premiere national security policy of this nation, there is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans."
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Peace conference puts face to drone victims
by Anwar Iqbal |
April 29, 2012
WASHINGTON: Drone victims are not just figures on a piece of paper, they are real people and thats why it is important to see what happens on the ground when a missile hits a target, argues Pakistani attorney Shahzad Akbar.
We have to see what exactly is happening on the ground, what is happening to the people, he told a Washington conference on drones.
Akbar told an audience of about 300 people from across the United States that it was important to put faces on the drone victims; otherwise people will not understand their plight.
They feel this imminent threat of being attacked from the sky. And they feel helpless because they have no other place to relocate. Many have no skills, no education, so they cannot relocate to other parts of Pakistan, he said. Advocate Akbar showed a photo of a teenager named Saadullah, who was helping his mother in the kitchen when a drone hit their home in Fata in 2009. He woke up in a hospital three days later without his legs.
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http://dawn.com/2012/04/30/peace-conference-puts-face-to-drone-victims-fm/
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 30, 2012
ACLU Credits White House for Drone Strike Transparency, but Says Program Still Unlawful
ACLU National Security Experts Warn Program Flouts Constitution
NEW YORK - April 30 - President Obamas top counter-terrorism adviser today publicly confirmed that the United States conducts targeted killings of suspected terrorists using drones.
In a speech this afternoon at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, John Brennan insisted the targeted strikes are a wise choice and legal and within the boundaries of international law. However, ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer said Brennans statement did not go far in explaining how the program passed constitutional muster.
This is an important statement first because it includes an unambiguous acknowledgement of the targeted killing program and second because it includes the administrations clearest explanation thus far of the programs purported legal basis. Jaffer said.
But Mr. Brennan supplies legal conclusions, not legal analysis. We continue to believe that the administration should release the Justice Department memos underlying the program particularly the memo that authorizes the extrajudicial killing of American terrorism suspects. And the administration should release the evidence it relied on to conclude that an American citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi, could be killed without charge, trial, or judicial process of any kind.
Brennan maintained the Obama administration was committed to transparency when it came to deciding who would be subject to lethal drone strikes. But Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU National Security Project, said the program is both unconstitutional and overly broad.
We continue to believe, based on the information available, that the program itself is not just unlawful but dangerous. This statement makes clear that the administration is treating legal restrictions on the use of force as questions of preference. Moreover, it is dangerous to characterize the entire planet as a battlefield, Shamsi said.
It is dangerous to give the President the authority to order the extrajudicial killing of any person including any American he believes to be a terrorist. The administration insists that the program is closely supervised, but to propose that a secret deliberation that takes place entirely within the executive branch constitutes due process is to strip the Fifth Amendment of its essential meaning.
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Jeremy Scahill: The United States Has Become A 'Nation of Assassins' With Drone Attacks [View all]
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
OP
"Democracy drones" is a bit like "liberty napalm" and "freedom bombs".
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#4
They say marketing is everything, try to sell "kill a wedding party full of women and children" it
Dragonfli
May 2012
#112
Please trot them out. But they need to have the credentials Scahill has. Reports today from
sabrina 1
May 2012
#124
Ditto, and why are we attacking Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, American citizens?
sad sally
May 2012
#142
There are plenty of places that welcome Obama-bashing during the general election season.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#12
So all those thousands of posts on against Bush's wars weren't sincere...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#23
I don't have a dilemma. There is a wide world wide web out there and there is Occupy.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2012
#36
How do you think assisting the election of Mitt Romney is going to help your goals? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#40
Nope - Posting Obama-bashing articles incessantly at a board committed to re-electing him
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#46
Given that Romney hasn't critisized either Bush or Obama for their wars (that is, Romney
Luminous Animal
May 2012
#73
Oh, I do see. Too many ant-war posts = bashing Obama. It's okay to be little bit anti-war but
Luminous Animal
May 2012
#90
First. Obama is NOT the emperor of democrats. 2nd opposing policy decisions is our right
got root
May 2012
#68
Yup, and opposing *horrific* policy decisions is not just our right,
woo me with science
May 2012
#104
We don't have to be silent about the barbaric drone program to re-elect the prez
Ken Burch
May 2012
#86
Bravo! You have my respect for your beliefs, they show character and honesty. /nt
Dragonfli
May 2012
#94
So basically you have it out for BBI and would try to get him banned (by slander if necessary)
Dragonfli
May 2012
#91
I have it out for the tactic of posting Obama-bashing threads incessantly here at DU.
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#99
Sorry, it sounds personal to me, you should post on the content of the OP rather than
Dragonfli
May 2012
#106
How could it be personal? I don't know anything about BBI other than his or her tactics.
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#114
How can it be personal? Dude, you are an admitted stalker of BBI that has said
Dragonfli
May 2012
#116
Is there any reason we should be made to be publicly silent about the drones?
Ken Burch
May 2012
#92
I have not advocated that you should be made to be publicly silent about the drones.
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#100
I invite you to read the Terms of Service you agreed to when signing up for an account.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#20
nowhere in the TOS does it say we must support all policies of the Obama administration
quinnox
Apr 2012
#25
I am so glad we pulled out of Afghanistan and pulled back our freedom drones from other countries
Dragonfli
May 2012
#101
It may have been because the Iraqis asked us to leave at the date they set with Bush
Dragonfli
May 2012
#115
It's attacking someone to point out they keep posting Obama-bashing articles here?
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#27
Just because you appear not to know the difference, the truth is not Obama Bashing, it is simply the
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#39
And the truth is that Better Believe It again and again posts Obama-bashing articles here.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#41
He posts many articles that are true and embarrassing for our party, I will grant you that
Dragonfli
May 2012
#69
Bashing is not a real word, it is childish and rude, close to breaking the rules here
Dragonfli
May 2012
#76
Good! then you remember that the teenage words are new in the TOS, that makes it easier to
Dragonfli
May 2012
#98
As apposed to a series of posts that assume the worst of Obama, sounds good to me
karynnj
May 2012
#133
Yes, the same agenda we all had when it was a Bush doing it, some don't change their views with the
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#38
How do you expect assisting the election of Mitt Romney will advance your stated goals? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2012
#42
Who is campaigning for Mitt Romney here? The discussion is about an issue, not who
Dragonfli
May 2012
#59
It's kind of interesing that you feel the need to tell us who BBI is supporting for POTUS.
blue neen
May 2012
#70
It has come up and I have a memory, so I felt I should enlighten those that are ignorant of the fact
Dragonfli
May 2012
#74
Undermining and bashing the Democrat candidate incessantly is the equivalent
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#71
It is a simplistic childish view complete with childish words like "bashing". Reality is not so
Dragonfli
May 2012
#75
yeah, and what you brought to the table isn't enough to gloss over the crimes committed in our names
got root
Apr 2012
#35
llow a editorial critical of specific policies to stand on its own merit also.
LanternWaste
May 2012
#151
Over the even more "right" candidate, most assuredly, but I will not support needless death.
Dragonfli
May 2012
#64
You're kidding right? The OP is about NOT supporting this shit, and you call it "bashing"
Dragonfli
May 2012
#72
It may be wrong in other cases, but not in this OP, the only way to please you here
Dragonfli
May 2012
#80
Imagine those numbers under a peace loving Democrat (try zero as the goal) /nt
Dragonfli
May 2012
#113
Oh, I bet you can think of how much worse President McCain would have been.
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#128
You think a President McCain body count would have been better than President Obama's?
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#156
Brennan has no legitimacy after being caught in a lie about civilian dead in drone strikes.
morningfog
May 2012
#169
There's no way "freedom-leeching" drones and the control they have now and will continue to
sad sally
May 2012
#154
wow! it's amazing how much better a thread can become by putting just a few people on ignore
got root
May 2012
#77
No problem. No doubt Obama will bring the assassins to justice along with their bosses.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2012
#89
We have no chance of ending them under a Democratic one either. Not much difference here.
morningfog
May 2012
#127
Kick for Jeremy Scahill, he has done a great job reporting on the MIC and Blackwater!
Dragonfli
May 2012
#117
Not as far as I know, what have you heard? I would support a truth seeking journalist for congress
Dragonfli
May 2012
#121
You're off topic. Do you have an opinion on what is being discussed?
Better Believe It
May 2012
#131
Actually, since it is killing non-combatants and rescuers, they are quite probably war crimes.
Hissyspit
May 2012
#157
So if an American goes overseas, joins al-Qaida and declares war against his country
Daniel537
May 2012
#170
If an American becomes a Marxist and declares "war" against capitalism should they be murdured?
Better Believe It
May 2012
#173
If they also join a terrorist group outside the ability of US power to arrest and then
Bolo Boffin
May 2012
#174