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107. I am saying that there is such a thing as a GOOD trade agreement. FDR negotiated plenty of them.

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:20 AM

Mar 2015

In our era I think a good deal would be one that promotes environmental standards and labor rights that are not factors in current trading rules. Those were not in FDR's agreements but that was a different era. (Republicans railed against FDR's 'secret' trade deals "flooding our markets with foreign commodities".

Obama has been talking about incorporating those labor and environmental standards into trade agreements for years. Are they in the TPP draft? Not in the sections that have been leaked but there is much that has not been leaked. Others who do not want them in there are complaining about their presence.

Will they be in the final agreement, if there is one? I don't know. I believe the standards are important to Obama. I don't believe he is a sell-out. I may be wrong but I do not see a better chance at negotiating a "good" trade agreement any time soon.

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If Third Way Democrats continue to the right with TPP, union bashing, privatization it's because [View all] whereisjustice Mar 2015 OP

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Like whom? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #127

We need candidates, not only for the White House, but for Congress and local JDPriestly Mar 2015 #80

1+1=2 but 1+0=1 not 2, the only way a vote helps the TeaPubliKlans is if it is added to their total. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #92

Why are generalizing Third Way going against unions? I happen to be a life long union member and Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #6

I don't know many union members who support third way's TPP program. Do you? Can you whereisjustice Mar 2015 #8

You pick out a subject if which has not even been revealed. If the unions has Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #11

Which unions support TPP (or even Third Way for that matter) - I asked a simple question whereisjustice Mar 2015 #12

I dont know nor do I care, dont judge me on being a union member and liking Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #14

How many jobs do you believe should be sent to Asia? How much lower should our wages be? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #15

Twll me exactly what is contained in the TPP, not rumors or judging by any agreements in the past, Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #18

That is a bs demand, given that the agreement is in a secure room. However, the word of people merrily Mar 2015 #26

I know it is in a secure room, details are not known, poster wanted a decisive answer and I Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #89

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No answers will do that to you every time. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #115

When politicians demand secrecy, it's not so they can throw you a birthday party. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #110

You tell us what could be in the TPP that the unions might like. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #34

What is in TPP unions dislike, again we do not know what is in TPP and I am not going to answer Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #90

You certainly have a lot of posts here for not wanting to comment about information that isn't rhett o rick Mar 2015 #97

see post #96 Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #98

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The homophobic tropes have a unique flavor profile...here's one I just read in yet another thread Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #109

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Yup, admitted in this thread to be a Third Wayer LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #129

In the real world it's not possible to support or oppose something that hasn't been written yet. RB TexLa Mar 2015 #16

I agree, until I see the exact wording it is impossible to make a decision. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #19

LMAO. merrily Mar 2015 #28

In the real world something like TPP is designed by conservatives and fast tracked to prevent whereisjustice Mar 2015 #20

Sanders, Warren, Grayson and unions are not living in the real world? DUers know better? merrily Mar 2015 #27

In the real world we've seen parts of it. It may not be final, but we can certainly see the rhett o rick Mar 2015 #35

I support free trade, President Obama doing something doesn't have anything to do with it. RB TexLa Mar 2015 #40

No one has even tried to explain how this TPP, which is way more than a "trade agreement" rhett o rick Mar 2015 #42

Sounds like like you got it all figured out, now get out there with your talking points RB TexLa Mar 2015 #43

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You support legislation so what is so funny or tricky about wanting to know the benefits of the act? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #99

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And it just takes one president to push through NAFTA or TPP or another war and it all whereisjustice Mar 2015 #47

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"The Conservative Wing likes NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO ..." But far-right repubs hate them? FDR lowered pampango Mar 2015 #87

So you are saying that you support the so called "Free Trade" agreements like the TPP? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #101

I am saying that there is such a thing as a GOOD trade agreement. FDR negotiated plenty of them. pampango Mar 2015 #107

I understand what you say. The problem I am having is that some people that I respect rhett o rick Mar 2015 #113

If "because Obama" was the coin you pretend you'd be shoving Obama's existing efforts down our TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #116

If the policies of FDR are irrelevant to you because 'times are different now' that is your choice. pampango Mar 2015 #120

I believe that certainly the impacts of trade are vastly different. We are talking a time when we TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #121

Excellent summation Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #122

Today progressive countries benefit from FDR's policies on trade, taxes, regulation and safety nets. pampango Mar 2015 #123

I welcome seeing the standards for labor and protection of the environment increased for Americans. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #125

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SEIU too Scootaloo Mar 2015 #82

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I may do this tomorrow evening daredtowork Mar 2015 #84

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