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MADem

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70. So Howard Dean is some random "a man" -- not Howard Dean, the guy who said

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:15 PM

Mar 2015

"If my spouse-the-doctor doesn't want to fluff and puff as part of my candidacy, leave her the hell alone" or words to that effect?

What are you saying, here? That a MALE who has never once flown the misogyny flag can't offer a critique of a FEMALE person, solely because of her gender?

Come off it. You're the only one here saying "Rush" and "PMSing" and "mansplaining." What's that about, I wonder? I'd say you're trying to paint him in an accusatory fashion, simply because you don't happen to like his opinion and that's an easy way to cut him off at the knees. Or would you prefer if he asks his WIFE to express his opinions for him....?

Howard Dean is a politician and a Democratic Party insider. He also got tarred with the "angry" brush so he knows a little bit about how that works out. He has a right to his opinion, as Elizabeth Warren has a right to hers. Trying to play a "gender bias" card here, against a guy who has never demonstrated that kind of attitude, just isn't on.

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Howard Dean doesn't like Elizabeth Warren's tone [View all] geek tragedy Mar 2015 OP

Don't care. It's not about soaking the rich. It's about holding Wall street banks accountable. think Mar 2015 #1

+1 Alkene Mar 2015 #116

Howard Dean is a gutted man. Sad sack! n/t betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #2

Yup, yup. Dean had become a parody of himself. Can't take him seriously anymore. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #97

It's gotten to the point where I no longer give a flying fuck what most of the entrenched Autumn Mar 2015 #3

Unfortunately his organization DFA is pretty relevant... Agschmid Mar 2015 #4

I still no longer give a shit about his opinion. Autumn Mar 2015 #6

He was my Governor for a time and did some really great things... Agschmid Mar 2015 #9

Yeah I know where you are coming from. It took me a long time to get where I am. Autumn Mar 2015 #10

Time we stop bowin down 2 these so-called "leaders" who don't have our best interests @ heart, unlike Elizabeth, who's a tru gem. Dean can taka hike. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #99

I'm with you on that. Autumn Mar 2015 #101

I felt the same way about Clinton who I defended and even refused to listen when other Dems sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #141

Clinton's so-called 'welfare reform' stuck the knife in the back of poor, minority KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #146

DFA is backing Drafting Warren for president, not HIllary. RiverLover Mar 2015 #12

has he changed his mind and is no longer supporting the DFA? hopemountain Mar 2015 #118

"Sure. Technically she is right, but she should adapt the standard Dem platform milquetoast posture GoneFishin Mar 2015 #5

So true! Don't be so convincing! Must keep the Status Quo! RiverLover Mar 2015 #13

Sounds like Dean is the 1 who needs 2 watch his tone, as he appears 2 b showin' his sexist, misogynistic side by tellin' Elizabeth 2 stop bein so "hysterical." Dean needs 2 just can it. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #102

Yaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhwwwwwwa gordianot Mar 2015 #7

Dr. Dean, the eternal pragmatist. ~ nt antiquie Mar 2015 #8

Sigh TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #11

"Middle class people"? deutsey Mar 2015 #14

LOL! Segami Mar 2015 #17

A euphemism for "Big Money Donors" n/t arcane1 Mar 2015 #35

The problem is Howard has kind a of wimpy ideas on how to solve problems nolabels Mar 2015 #15

tax the rich! WDIM Mar 2015 #16

I don't much care for Hillary using Dean as an attack dog hootinholler Mar 2015 #18

That's how you can tell he's sold out. n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #19

Well, then, under the bus with him. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2015 #20

Soak who, then? Octafish Mar 2015 #21

Oh, boo hoo, Mr. Dean. bigwillq Mar 2015 #22

Worked well for Obama. Twice! JaneyVee Mar 2015 #23

Bingo! RiverLover Mar 2015 #26

Why all the uproar? He said Skidmore Mar 2015 #24

My question, too! MADem Mar 2015 #29

If a man says he doesn't like Hillary's tone? Or a man says Hillary Autumn Mar 2015 #40

Yah because we are all Rush Limbaugh here... Agschmid Mar 2015 #45

Do you think Rush wouldn't say that same thing about Hillary if she were "angry" ? Autumn Mar 2015 #48

I could care less what Rush says... Agschmid Mar 2015 #49

Well to me it's rather surprising to see Dr. Dean, a Democrat say he doesn't like Liz's rhetoric Autumn Mar 2015 #60

Dean's record as governor says otherwise. Agschmid Mar 2015 #61

His words are what speak now. Autumn Mar 2015 #64

You too. Agschmid Mar 2015 #66

So Howard Dean is some random "a man" -- not Howard Dean, the guy who said MADem Mar 2015 #70

Yeah well I don't like his rhetoric. Autumn Mar 2015 #71

It's perfectly fine if you "don't like his rhetoric." Accusing everyone whose "rhetoric" you don't MADem Mar 2015 #84

Sherrod got tossed over Netanyahu, Warren may be next. Fickleness loses elections. freshwest Mar 2015 #105

Well said. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #130

Because of his honesty is my guess. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #76

I agree. What a b.s. OP! elleng Mar 2015 #79

People on DU loved Howard Dean to death in 2004 bluestateguy Mar 2015 #91

he generalized about her 'rhetoric' and offered a weak qualification about her 'correct' substance bigtree Mar 2015 #120

Look, I like Warren and Dean both. Skidmore Mar 2015 #124

I find his remarks patronizing, sexist, counterproductive to any agreement with her message bigtree Mar 2015 #127

Howard, such waffling, you sound like a consultant protecting revenue streams HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #25

Yeeeeaaargh! Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #27

He was part of making 2008 as successful as it was... Agschmid Mar 2015 #41

I agree that he had a large role in engineering what happened in 2008. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #47

I agree. Agschmid Mar 2015 #51

Tough shit. Iggo Mar 2015 #28

^this is the proper response. nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #62

In other words, continue to bullshit people with dreams of future wealth of their own. arcane1 Mar 2015 #30

This is what happens when the majority of our "middle class" are banksters. L0oniX Mar 2015 #31

He don't know many middle class people, does he? tularetom Mar 2015 #32

+1 I'm middle class and Elizabeth Warren doesn't alienate me at all. octoberlib Mar 2015 #132

I'd really like to know who he's talking about marle35 Mar 2015 #134

Historically the term "middle class" referred to the bourgeoisie YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #136

And under the bus he goes leftynyc Mar 2015 #33

Over someone who is not running... Agschmid Mar 2015 #42

Waittafuckinminnit here goddamit. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #53

Tell it to those leftynyc Mar 2015 #85

I speak for myself. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #90

LOL! Brigid Mar 2015 #112

Just because I disagree with the crap he's spewing here, HappyMe Mar 2015 #65

Tell it to leftynyc Mar 2015 #86

Meh. HappyMe Mar 2015 #93

Ever say anything intemperate to a loved one in the heat of the moment? Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #94

Yes, however, leftynyc Mar 2015 #95

I don't like your tone. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #75

You don't like my tone? leftynyc Mar 2015 #87

Exactly! AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #100

He is right on this. former9thward Mar 2015 #34

I still have great respect for Howard Dean. I wish he was interested in running for POTUS. DCBob Mar 2015 #36

I'm starting a rumor wyldwolf Mar 2015 #52

That'll show 'em! Keep pushing it until it happens. I like that one! freshwest Mar 2015 #138

At this point its like saying Dennis Kucinich could .... Historic NY Mar 2015 #74

The last time I ever felt anything close to hope was while campaigning for Dean. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #78

She seems smart, firm, utterly sincere & caring here, as she schools rethugs & wall street dems RiverLover Mar 2015 #37

wait, wut? foo_bar Mar 2015 #38

It's satisfying to hear politicians say what we think loyalsister Mar 2015 #39

Lying piece of shit. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #43

Let Warren be Warren. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #44

+1 AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #121

I somewhat agree with him jamzrockz Mar 2015 #46

Before this thread moves any further. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #50

forget about Elizabeth Warren and vote for guillaumeb Mar 2015 #54

Al Franken would never be on a Green ticket. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #57

it's all in the name guillaumeb Mar 2015 #72

DOH! wyldwolf Mar 2015 #73

Oh Wow....I am so disappointed in him. He now sounds like a true Third Way Sellout. whathehell Mar 2015 #55

Well, when a guy starts working as a lobbyist for Big Pharma, these things happen nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #56

I didn't know he was working as a lobbyist for Big Pharma.. whathehell Mar 2015 #59

here's his bio at Mckenna long and aldridge geek tragedy Mar 2015 #68

Thanks for the info. whathehell Mar 2015 #126

He's not working for big pharma. MADem Mar 2015 #83

I'm sure Warren doesn't give a crap HappyMe Mar 2015 #58

Dec 2013 - Elizabeth Warren's response to Third Way Criticisms: 'Oh Please' RiverLover Mar 2015 #69

Yup. HappyMe Mar 2015 #89

I can't believe he literally said..soak the rich. Too damn bad you don't like her tone. Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #63

Who cares if he likes her tone? bravenak Mar 2015 #67

Um...depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Dem anger gets out the base McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #77

Revealing, aspirant Mar 2015 #80

Weird, the middle class people I know don't think 'tax the rich' means 'tax middle class people'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #81

I am clear tax the rich to pay their share won't hit me irisblue Mar 2015 #82

Bernie Sanders strikes me as more angry than her bluestateguy Mar 2015 #88

I think I'd use the word "passionate" here Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #96

My response to Mr. Dean Yavin4 Mar 2015 #92

Tone policing Exhibit A Mar 2015 #98

+1 AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #104

Sorry Mr Dean . . . Brigid Mar 2015 #103

The Dean Scream is no one to talk about tone. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #106

He's wrong. Arkana Mar 2015 #107

Agreed. Besides, John Poet Mar 2015 #125

So Buffet says she should not be so angry and Dean says she sould not talk about taxing the rich. jwirr Mar 2015 #108

anyone who knows anything about dean world not be surprised about this JI7 Mar 2015 #109

What happened to Dean? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #110

Thisi tone coming from the Clinton camp whom Dean works for just might be langstonhues Mar 2015 #111

Awww. Poor fellow. Tsk, tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #113

He wants her to behave better! n2doc Mar 2015 #114

and 90% of us old Deaniacs condemn this move--because the Dem left MisterP Mar 2015 #115

Warren is thee ONE national politician viewed positively in a recent focus group Dems to Win Mar 2015 #117

It is because is is vocally against the TPP and the European one (TPPI?) - got to shut her down now Hestia Mar 2015 #119

Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2015 #122

I no longer have an ounce of respect for Dr. Dean. hifiguy Mar 2015 #123

Haven't you heard, Mr. Dean? Flo Mingo Mar 2015 #128

A record 290 newcomers join Forbes' billionaire list Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #129

Can these men stop talking about women's anger "temperature"? CTyankee Mar 2015 #131

Over and Over, Howard makes me glad fadedrose Mar 2015 #133

IOW Caretha Mar 2015 #135

This is a poorly written article that is trying to make something out of nothing. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #137

This all amounts to The Hill of Deans. betsuni Mar 2015 #139

Or a Field of Deans? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #142

"wealth creation" moondust Mar 2015 #140

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #143

Ditch the rich ... GeorgeGist Mar 2015 #144

Warren's rhetoric needs to be toned up, not toned down. A platform to 'soak the rich' would KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #145