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HereSince1628

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59. Neoconservativism is OK with laying waste to foreign lands...

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:35 PM

Mar 2015

Neoconservatism as it emerged with the 'mugged liberal' Irving Kristol as it's main voice grows out of the social philosophy of Leo Strauss who believed all people need enemies.

Having enemies draws people together, provides united purpose and defines good and evil.

Without such clear distinctions in ideological boundaries, as occurs under the tolerance associated with liberalism (as Strauss referred to it, but, imo, he meant something like complete individual freedom of libertarianism as we might discuss soverign citizens) societies decay.

There are many philosophies that arise from the late 19th century and the notion that people (whom Americans would recognize) like Morgan, Carnagie, Rockefeller were heroic near superhumans is one of them. Men who by genetic background and strength of character rise up to assume natural roles above others.

As I understand neoconservatism, it isn't associated with restraint against war, or with notions of individual superiority.

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Centrist Dems ready strike against Warren wing [View all] kpete Mar 2015 OP

Good luck. That curtain has been opened. Autumn Mar 2015 #1

Kick, worth the read. Agschmid Mar 2015 #2

Welcome to the Truman era, complete with a New Cold War, loyalty oathes, and party purges. leveymg Mar 2015 #3

Same old! Same old! n/t betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #4

In the real world Warren is a moderate Dem /nt think Mar 2015 #5

Sadly, the real world ended in November, 1980. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #10

YES - the pieces were in place SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #19

My thoughts exactly. Thanks. erronis Mar 2015 #20

Saw a listing of the 'liberal/moderate' ratings of folks the other day, and found it amusing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #21

And that's how they end up close to Hill Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #29

Funny, right? Her critics like to cite the fact that she was a Republican as if it's damning. Marr Mar 2015 #45

+1,000 Scuba Mar 2015 #48

Centrist Dems think it's the '90's, fail to notice that economy has changed CanadaexPat Mar 2015 #6

Ugh, Howard Dean, really? nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #7

k&r HappyMe Mar 2015 #8

Different acronym, same old DLC IDemo Mar 2015 #9

"You can't redistribute wealth that you're not generating." - that's the money quote KeepItReal Mar 2015 #11

"Centrist Dems" = "Republicans-In-Democratic-Clothing" closeupready Mar 2015 #12

Center-of-what Dems? Triangulation makes any such reference point temporary, HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #18

As to your last point, that's how Republicans strategize with the 3rd Way - closeupready Mar 2015 #28

triangulation always BEGINS with a compromise, it doesn't even follow negotiation HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #31

I think the most interesting point. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #13

while at the same time Rs are coopting our populist message nashville_brook Mar 2015 #17

Many of them were Republicans, but jumped ship because they were embarrassed to be seen Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #22

Gee, I thought this was how Parties worked... brooklynite Mar 2015 #14

Debate is good. The media wants to make it a "fight." cyberswede Mar 2015 #23

you're right the subject line suggests personal fight and HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #25

Just to be clear about the rhetoric of centrism and moderatism HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #15

Good description of the false "center" /nt think Mar 2015 #16

BINGO! n/t fleabiscuit Mar 2015 #26

Very well put. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #27

Great post! nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #34

Center of what? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #39

Seems like an argumentum apologeticum HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #43

It is true that our worst are better than then their (for want of a better word) best Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #58

Neoconservativism is OK with laying waste to foreign lands... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #59

The media NEVER refers to "Centrist Republicans". EVER. closeupready Mar 2015 #40

IIRC Susan Collins was characteristically the "moderate Republican" HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #44

++++++++++++++++++++ RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #57

Crap from "The Hill"--- ratfucking 101. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #24

Forming a phalanx around Our Next President� MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #30

lol, love that trademark note. closeupready Mar 2015 #41

unfortunately imo it's a done deal. They have the wall street money and other Doctor_J Mar 2015 #32

Congress still gets to 'inside trade' off knowledge that their actions move the market HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #38

NPR did a hit piece on her last week.... vi5 Mar 2015 #33

I don't know if I'd call that a hit piece... Agschmid Mar 2015 #46

Then imagine it with Hillary Clinton, and Ralph Nader instead of Bayh. Marr Mar 2015 #52

Ok I did... Agschmid Mar 2015 #53

Look at the wording in that article. FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #35

Warren and Sanders are the most vocal messengers of dissatisfaction with the Liberalynn Mar 2015 #36

I guess the "new Democrats" will take opposite JEB Mar 2015 #37

The Republicans will become the dominant party if the Dems keep trying to out right-wing them dissentient Mar 2015 #42

By saying a sharp turn to the left could prove disastrous in the 2016 elections ... Scuba Mar 2015 #47

Yeah, disastrous for the 1% n/t Oilwellian Mar 2015 #50

The most popular politician in the country -- and they are trying to cut her legs out from under her Dems to Win Mar 2015 #49

I think more populist rhetoric would help the party, not hurt it. drm604 Mar 2015 #51

Bring It. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #54

Fantasies treestar Mar 2015 #55

I understand Warrens verbiage connects with the left. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #60

Bring it on and all your Republican brothers and sisters. The fight must be fought. mmonk Mar 2015 #61