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NanceGreggs

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65. Who is talking about "trickle down" here?

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:39 PM

Mar 2015

That has nothing to do with Dean pointing out that many people - particularly those you and I might categorize as being upper middle-class - think of themselves as "rich" or "wealthy".

Ergo, when they hear "tax the rich", they think it is they who are being targeted for having their taxes raised.

It is a matter of people's perception - not the reality.

There was a survey done a while back, which I am pretty sure was linked-to on DU. I cannot find it now (I'm working and don't have the time), but in that survey, people who had very high incomes described themselves as being in the 1% category - even though their incomes and net worth were BILLIONS short of being within the top 1%.

Again, it was their perception of the definition of "the 1%" that they were going on, and not the reality of what "the 1%" are actually worth.

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Howard Dean highly disappointed me with his statement about Senator Warren. [View all] trumad Mar 2015 OP

He's talking about what people hear--and he's right. MADem Mar 2015 #1

They're gonna need a bigger bus. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #6

Precisely!!! MADem Mar 2015 #8

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2015 #17

So true treestar Mar 2015 #13

I live in a very conservative area JonLP24 Mar 2015 #14

I am not hearing "liberals are (that word)" from Dean, though. At all. MADem Mar 2015 #58

So am I JonLP24 Mar 2015 #71

Look at how this thread has been framed. Divide and conquer. MADem Mar 2015 #82

Dean is accused of saying this he did not say? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #87

Read the whole thread--Dean is being excoriated, cut out of the herd, and thrown under the bus. MADem Mar 2015 #88

Yeah, kind of like what happened with Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden. cui bono Mar 2015 #90

I wasn't aware that one was thrown under the bus in favor of the other...? MADem Mar 2015 #91

They were both thrown uner the bus for what they said. cui bono Mar 2015 #92

The analogy doesn't serve. MADem Mar 2015 #93

It's not only about divide an conquer. cui bono Mar 2015 #95

OK, that's a stretch of a comparison, IMO. Unless people on DU are equivalent to public figures MADem Mar 2015 #96

I'm not comparing DUers to public figures. cui bono Mar 2015 #98

Yup, and the middle class incorrectly expects to become rich. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #54

Who actually said "soak the rich"? I don't think WARREN said that, but looks like the intent of djean111 Mar 2015 #2

Rich people have this fear of being soaked. Autumn Mar 2015 #4

Dean said "soak the rich" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #5

You have nothing to apologize for Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #11

'said Warren is �right on policy, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down.' - he associated her muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #24

Ya know ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #29

And of course, we here on DU should take the rightwing leaning Hill on face value... MADem Mar 2015 #70

I keep wondering how long it will be ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #77

If it says "Democrats suck!" it's deemed viable in some quarters. MADem Mar 2015 #79

Well, one "trend" that has been obvious here for a while now ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #83

Concur... MADem Mar 2015 #86

You are correct. Any assertion that this is not what he was intending is, at best, disingenuous. djean111 Mar 2015 #30

+ a shit-ton AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #39

+1. nt MADem Mar 2015 #67

On tone policing AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #3

Yup... Howard Dean Agschmid Mar 2015 #18

nice cherry picking AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #62

I try. Agschmid Mar 2015 #75

Warren simply wants to return to "Eisenhower-era middle class values" (that's the way I'd frame it) zazen Mar 2015 #7

The easy reply to that would be former9thward Mar 2015 #27

That is only part of the story. zeemike Mar 2015 #57

There is far, far more investment in the economy now than the 50s. former9thward Mar 2015 #61

Stop making sense! MADem Mar 2015 #85

The stock market is a phony wealth. zeemike Mar 2015 #97

The stock market isn't a reflection of the state of the nation's economy. cui bono Mar 2015 #100

I always figured it was the difference between... Blanks Mar 2015 #80

I think that would be a very smart sales pitch. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #59

Obama won on "closing all tax loopholes" JonLP24 Mar 2015 #9

Well, I have been blocked by Howard Dean at Twitter since I questioned his ed reform views. madfloridian Mar 2015 #10

He's right. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #12

Most people are smarter than that JonLP24 Mar 2015 #22

It's not a matter of being "smarter". NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #33

It's not the nineties anymore. Most people are struggling. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #38

I just don't see a lot of that myself JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42

You have something to back that up, or is it just something you're pulling out of thin air? Dawgs Mar 2015 #37

Well, let's judge everything ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #48

Eh, I deconstructed the Trickle Down theory of economics on Discussionist and no one disagreed.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #55

Who is talking about "trickle down" here? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #65

Anyone who is talking about "don't soak the rich" is referring to Trickle Down Fumesucker Mar 2015 #73

Oy vey. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #76

For sure Dean and Hillary don't want to be associated with that message. Autumn Mar 2015 #60

I wish he had been more specific about what 'rhetoric' from Warren he thinks should be 'scaled back' bigtree Mar 2015 #15

Bingo! trumad Mar 2015 #35

Dean made up the 'soak the rich' just to hit Warren.... 4139 Mar 2015 #16

Sixty percent of all Americans back higher taxes on higher incomes Oilwellian Mar 2015 #19

While my experience is very anecdoctal JonLP24 Mar 2015 #26

Can't be. Some here think most people in the middle-class think they're rich. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #44

No one here said ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #49

Okay. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #52

Who is talking about 'soaking', just a bit of more dampness is all I've been hearing. langstonhues Mar 2015 #20

... 2004 is calling, Dean. Wants The Scream back. of all people, Dean ?? STFU. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #21

Maybe he learned something from it? Agschmid Mar 2015 #25

Clearly, he learned the wrong thing and Warren is not screaming. I think it Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #72

Oooooooh!!! I was thinking the same thing!!! bravenak Mar 2015 #34

GMTA Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #102

I think Warren's rhetoric could be far more honest, she speaks as if she herself was not a Supply Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #23

She clearly does reject them JonLP24 Mar 2015 #36

+1 trumad Mar 2015 #53

The important thing is - she moved. djean111 Mar 2015 #47

I only hear her positions on one area, so that's one thing. The other is I just don't care for Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #74

The rhetoric of equality helped Obama twice. Why abandon it now? HRC doesn't want to embrace it, leveymg Mar 2015 #28

I have low expectations of all politicians, so few ever disappoint bigwillq Mar 2015 #31

As I posted elsewhere n2doc Mar 2015 #32

He's playing both side of this argument. Tatiana Mar 2015 #40

He's out of touch with most Americans, and that's sad. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #45

He left a long time ago. Too bad since he created a great grassroots campaign. mmonk Mar 2015 #41

Me thinks Mr Dean Dips fredamae Mar 2015 #43

What constitutes "rich" in everyone's eyes? George II Mar 2015 #46

Warren is not against wealth zentrum Mar 2015 #50

As an admin for the Democratic party Madmiddle Mar 2015 #51

the 2% has totally brainwashed the lower classes to fear ALL TAXES going higher. divide +conquer! pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #56

I guess everybody has a price, and Dean must have collected. PedXing Mar 2015 #63

Only because Americans don't understand progressive taxation abelenkpe Mar 2015 #64

If a middle-class person thinks their taxes are going up when they hear "tax the rich"... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #66

This may be the tip of the party establishment's campaign against the Warren wing. Marr Mar 2015 #68

So much for the notion of Warren pulling Hillary to the left. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #69

once again Dean looses his cool olddots Mar 2015 #78

I will call this one The Dean Mean. langstonhues Mar 2015 #89

He disappointed you and I. Stellar Mar 2015 #81

No offense to Dr. Dean, but his mindset is from 20 or 30 years ago. DefenseLawyer Mar 2015 #84

Warren is charismatic, enrgetic, and pushing a strong message, HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #94

Some things can be humbling moments. Rex Mar 2015 #99

I really hope this is just temporary behavior to get himself appointed head of the DNC... cascadiance Mar 2015 #101

Actually did Howard ever listen to what Warren has said. She did NOT go after wealth creation, but still_one Mar 2015 #103