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stevenleser

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73. It's desperate. nt

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Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:45 PM

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Do political pundits who deny the Russian invasion of Crimea deserve to be taken seriously at DU? [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 OP

People that divorced from reality don't deserve to be taken seriously. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #1

If we did that we would have to deny everybody who is divorced from reality a voice here. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #2

I'm not saying they need to be banned or silenced. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #4

There is a dedicated group that believe the Kremilin's narrative. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #7

What makes it worse is when an individual who once had respectable journalistic credentials.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #9

Video: A Russian soldier from Siberia talks about his service in Donetsk. (link to DU thread) Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #65

Their nonsense needs to be moved to Creative Speculation when it appears. FSogol Mar 2015 #8

I would not be opposed to that idea. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #10

Agreed. Much more plausible CT is pushed there... Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #44

they should be treated like Alex Jones and be shunted to the Creative Speculation forum uhnope Mar 2015 #32

Fear. And hate or confirmation bias. Igel Mar 2015 #3

I had to look that one up. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #11

There comes a point in time when you have to apply the "chemtrail" msanthrope Mar 2015 #5

Just a sample of what I'm talking about: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #6

There is a lot of truth in the second one JonLP24 Mar 2015 #16

No, there are a lot of falsehoods in the second. Putin has admitted Russian troops' role in Crimea stevenleser Mar 2015 #20

His dispute lies in the idea the troops were already there JonLP24 Mar 2015 #27

There is no dispute. Having bases somewhere doesnt greenlight invasion. That's dishonest to the core stevenleser Mar 2015 #30

So if the US sent troops from Guantanamo towards Havana, seizing territory geek tragedy Mar 2015 #41

Exactly. Using that persons same logic, it's OK for us to takeover whatever countries in which we stevenleser Mar 2015 #47

I mean over the word "invasion" JonLP24 Mar 2015 #49

This is hilarious. It's not unique. Invading another country is invading. We invaded Panama. stevenleser Mar 2015 #68

I hardly feel it is desperate JonLP24 Mar 2015 #70

It's desperate. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #73

I think this is mostly semantics also. CanadaexPat Mar 2015 #64

Noam Chomsky and Stephan Cohen are crackpots too? Cayenne Mar 2015 #40

Yes, they are. And Putin has admitted they were terribly wrong or lying about this. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #48

If Cohen and Chomsky have claimed that there was no Russian invasion of Crimea, then yes. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #63

Well Russia's army was already there JonLP24 Mar 2015 #12

Russia had troops on its Black Sea fleet bases. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #13

I haven't closely looked into exact details on who did what JonLP24 Mar 2015 #14

Ukraine was in no shape to defend itself regarding Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #17

To join Russia JonLP24 Mar 2015 #25

The bigger question is when were they ever taken seriously? nt William769 Mar 2015 #15

Sadly, way too many people take them seriously. Even on here. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #18

Back in the 1930's, these people would have excused Germany for annexing Austria too. FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #19

In the 1930s JonLP24 Mar 2015 #38

As I wrote in my #20, Putin has already shown what Parry and Pilger wrote to be wrong (or a lie) on stevenleser Mar 2015 #21

Are you on a One Man Mission to start World War III? Octafish Mar 2015 #22

So because I called out one of your favorite sources, I'm suddenly Dr. Strangelove? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #23

Buddy, I served with Dr. Strangelove. Dr. Strangelove was a friend of mine. I knew Dr. Strangelove. Octafish Mar 2015 #28

Well, you do seem to want to frame me as a neo-conservative hawk. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #62

Are you intent on seeing every former Soviet republic sliced and diced? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #46

Robert Parry WAS a great journalist...but now? zappaman Mar 2015 #24

Pilger is pretty much on Team Putin when it comes to GLBT rights. Fuck him. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #26

Wow, I hadn't seen that. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #31

he also called Obama a "glossy Uncle Tom." geek tragedy Mar 2015 #33

Thanks for this. zappaman Mar 2015 #34

No one here who carries water for the Putin regime gives a fuck about geek tragedy Mar 2015 #36

Yes. zappaman Mar 2015 #39

I've seen that framed as 'the 1% doesn't care about civil rights, only money.' So we don't either? freshwest Mar 2015 #71

I don't take sources seriously if they deny the Russian invasion of Crimea. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #29

something is missing here guillaumeb Mar 2015 #35

No, there was no foreign funding or arming of the citizens who revolted at Yanukovych's geek tragedy Mar 2015 #37

There is a lot of corruption JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42

did not happen? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #43

The attempt to blame the departure of this kleptocrat on evil geek tragedy Mar 2015 #45

Stand trial in Ukraine means very different than stand trial mostly anywhere else JonLP24 Mar 2015 #50

the US has over 700 military bases all over the globe guillaumeb Mar 2015 #51

So because Russia is not as bad as the US, that makes Russia's behavior just fine. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #52

I will pick the one who sends its troops where they are not legally geek tragedy Mar 2015 #53

what of Guantanamo Bay? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #55

The lease is per a 1934 treaty. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #56

and the US has violated every treaty guillaumeb Mar 2015 #57

Interesting argument as to why we shouldn't object to what Russia is doing nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #58

refer back to #57 guillaumeb Mar 2015 #60

And so if we invade those countries where the bases are, it's not really an invasion? stevenleser Mar 2015 #69

interesting response but a misreading of my posts guillaumeb Mar 2015 #74

Yanukovich was elected in 2010 on a platform of closer integration with Europe, not "closer ties pampango Mar 2015 #54

Yanukovych left because his efforts to crack down on dissent backfired. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #59

The real question is Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #61

I think it is the same question with the same answer. stevenleser Mar 2015 #72

The Soviet sympathizer has been the disgrace of the left for a century Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2015 #66

Political pundits in general do not deserve to be taken seriously tularetom Mar 2015 #67