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In reply to the discussion: Howard Dean highly disappointed me with his statement about Senator Warren. [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)73. Anyone who is talking about "don't soak the rich" is referring to Trickle Down
The theory that if the rich are allowed to keep all the money they will then shower largesse upon the rest of us.
No one actually believes that.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/why-americans-all-believe-they-are-middle-class/278240/
Why Americans All Believe They Are 'Middle Class'
A taxonomy of how we talk about class and wealth in the United States today
<snip>
Poking into usage also confirms that Americans are relatively skittish about mentioning class. Contrasting databases of text from U.S. and UK sources, we find that Brits use upper class and lower class more readily; we prefer wealthy and poor. Yet we grant middle class plenty of airtime. This suggests its a frozen phrase, no longer rooted in the meaning of component parts that ought to designate economic status between two others. Instead, middle class has become a status, a brand a label you opt to adopt.
From Real Housewives to pop stars, extreme wealth is on display all around us. Seeing this, Americans imbibe ideas of what life as a rich person means. And most folks, even in the 1 percent (that is, with incomes above about $500,000), cant keep up with the Kardashians. They conclude they are not wealthy, so they tag themselves middle class. Were far less keen to have the poor in view. Nevertheless, whether via images of bread lines or real life panhandlers, we have some sense of life without means. If homelessness is the salient exemplar, people are unlikely to say theyre poor.
Cognitive science teaches us that we learn to make sense of the world by putting things into categories. From the simplistic (edible or not) to the sophisticated (possible spouse or casual fling) grouping elements is part and parcel of our processing. In order to determine what category something fits into and thus what it is, we often rely on considering what it is not. Sometimes, these designations are easy: A smart phone and a rotary dial both count as telephones. But categories of great social significance are subject to interpretation and change with the times. Is that boy spirited or ADHD? Labels, once stuck, can change perception and policy.
Not finding popular depictions of wealth and poverty similar to our own lived experiences, we determine we must be whatevers left over. Picking middle class is easy enough to do because, again, the language doesnt present much to go on in terms of what this label describes.
A taxonomy of how we talk about class and wealth in the United States today
<snip>
Poking into usage also confirms that Americans are relatively skittish about mentioning class. Contrasting databases of text from U.S. and UK sources, we find that Brits use upper class and lower class more readily; we prefer wealthy and poor. Yet we grant middle class plenty of airtime. This suggests its a frozen phrase, no longer rooted in the meaning of component parts that ought to designate economic status between two others. Instead, middle class has become a status, a brand a label you opt to adopt.
From Real Housewives to pop stars, extreme wealth is on display all around us. Seeing this, Americans imbibe ideas of what life as a rich person means. And most folks, even in the 1 percent (that is, with incomes above about $500,000), cant keep up with the Kardashians. They conclude they are not wealthy, so they tag themselves middle class. Were far less keen to have the poor in view. Nevertheless, whether via images of bread lines or real life panhandlers, we have some sense of life without means. If homelessness is the salient exemplar, people are unlikely to say theyre poor.
Cognitive science teaches us that we learn to make sense of the world by putting things into categories. From the simplistic (edible or not) to the sophisticated (possible spouse or casual fling) grouping elements is part and parcel of our processing. In order to determine what category something fits into and thus what it is, we often rely on considering what it is not. Sometimes, these designations are easy: A smart phone and a rotary dial both count as telephones. But categories of great social significance are subject to interpretation and change with the times. Is that boy spirited or ADHD? Labels, once stuck, can change perception and policy.
Not finding popular depictions of wealth and poverty similar to our own lived experiences, we determine we must be whatevers left over. Picking middle class is easy enough to do because, again, the language doesnt present much to go on in terms of what this label describes.
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Howard Dean highly disappointed me with his statement about Senator Warren. [View all]
trumad
Mar 2015
OP
Read the whole thread--Dean is being excoriated, cut out of the herd, and thrown under the bus.
MADem
Mar 2015
#88
OK, that's a stretch of a comparison, IMO. Unless people on DU are equivalent to public figures
MADem
Mar 2015
#96
Who actually said "soak the rich"? I don't think WARREN said that, but looks like the intent of
djean111
Mar 2015
#2
'said Warren is “right on policy, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down.' - he associated her
muriel_volestrangler
Mar 2015
#24
And of course, we here on DU should take the rightwing leaning Hill on face value...
MADem
Mar 2015
#70
You are correct. Any assertion that this is not what he was intending is, at best, disingenuous.
djean111
Mar 2015
#30
Warren simply wants to return to "Eisenhower-era middle class values" (that's the way I'd frame it)
zazen
Mar 2015
#7
Well, I have been blocked by Howard Dean at Twitter since I questioned his ed reform views.
madfloridian
Mar 2015
#10
You have something to back that up, or is it just something you're pulling out of thin air?
Dawgs
Mar 2015
#37
Eh, I deconstructed the Trickle Down theory of economics on Discussionist and no one disagreed..
Fumesucker
Mar 2015
#55
Anyone who is talking about "don't soak the rich" is referring to Trickle Down
Fumesucker
Mar 2015
#73
I wish he had been more specific about what 'rhetoric' from Warren he thinks should be 'scaled back'
bigtree
Mar 2015
#15
Can't be. Some here think most people in the middle-class think they're rich. n/t
Dawgs
Mar 2015
#44
Who is talking about 'soaking', just a bit of more dampness is all I've been hearing.
langstonhues
Mar 2015
#20
... 2004 is calling, Dean. Wants The Scream back. of all people, Dean ?? STFU.
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2015
#21
Clearly, he learned the wrong thing and Warren is not screaming. I think it
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2015
#72
I think Warren's rhetoric could be far more honest, she speaks as if she herself was not a Supply
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#23
I only hear her positions on one area, so that's one thing. The other is I just don't care for
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#74
The rhetoric of equality helped Obama twice. Why abandon it now? HRC doesn't want to embrace it,
leveymg
Mar 2015
#28
the 2% has totally brainwashed the lower classes to fear ALL TAXES going higher. divide +conquer!
pansypoo53219
Mar 2015
#56
If a middle-class person thinks their taxes are going up when they hear "tax the rich"...
truebrit71
Mar 2015
#66
This may be the tip of the party establishment's campaign against the Warren wing.
Marr
Mar 2015
#68
I really hope this is just temporary behavior to get himself appointed head of the DNC...
cascadiance
Mar 2015
#101