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MADem

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85. Stop making sense!

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:43 PM

Mar 2015

The same people who decry those sweatshops with kids sewing sneakers don't realize that getting the kids off the sewing machines means that people are going to have to get paid more.

It's all good on paper for people around the world to have decent housing and a livable wage, but when "They're takin' our jerbs!!!" it gets a bit more complex. One can't "Save The Children" on charity alone--they need jobs, they need education, they need to be able to compete in the world, too. And one way they compete is by doing simple shit cheaper than we're willing to do it. Once upon a time, we made TVs--Admiral, RCA, Zenith!!! The Japanese stole that gig from us by doing it cheaper, and the Koreans stole it from them! It's the way of the world...

We've got to innovate and do things smarter/better. That's IF we want to continue to hold a pre-eminent place in the world's economy....

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Howard Dean highly disappointed me with his statement about Senator Warren. [View all] trumad Mar 2015 OP

He's talking about what people hear--and he's right. MADem Mar 2015 #1

They're gonna need a bigger bus. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #6

Precisely!!! MADem Mar 2015 #8

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2015 #17

So true treestar Mar 2015 #13

I live in a very conservative area JonLP24 Mar 2015 #14

I am not hearing "liberals are (that word)" from Dean, though. At all. MADem Mar 2015 #58

So am I JonLP24 Mar 2015 #71

Look at how this thread has been framed. Divide and conquer. MADem Mar 2015 #82

Dean is accused of saying this he did not say? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #87

Read the whole thread--Dean is being excoriated, cut out of the herd, and thrown under the bus. MADem Mar 2015 #88

Yeah, kind of like what happened with Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden. cui bono Mar 2015 #90

I wasn't aware that one was thrown under the bus in favor of the other...? MADem Mar 2015 #91

They were both thrown uner the bus for what they said. cui bono Mar 2015 #92

The analogy doesn't serve. MADem Mar 2015 #93

It's not only about divide an conquer. cui bono Mar 2015 #95

OK, that's a stretch of a comparison, IMO. Unless people on DU are equivalent to public figures MADem Mar 2015 #96

I'm not comparing DUers to public figures. cui bono Mar 2015 #98

Yup, and the middle class incorrectly expects to become rich. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #54

Who actually said "soak the rich"? I don't think WARREN said that, but looks like the intent of djean111 Mar 2015 #2

Rich people have this fear of being soaked. Autumn Mar 2015 #4

Dean said "soak the rich" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #5

You have nothing to apologize for Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #11

'said Warren is �right on policy, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down.' - he associated her muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #24

Ya know ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #29

And of course, we here on DU should take the rightwing leaning Hill on face value... MADem Mar 2015 #70

I keep wondering how long it will be ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #77

If it says "Democrats suck!" it's deemed viable in some quarters. MADem Mar 2015 #79

Well, one "trend" that has been obvious here for a while now ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #83

Concur... MADem Mar 2015 #86

You are correct. Any assertion that this is not what he was intending is, at best, disingenuous. djean111 Mar 2015 #30

+ a shit-ton AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #39

+1. nt MADem Mar 2015 #67

On tone policing AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #3

Yup... Howard Dean Agschmid Mar 2015 #18

nice cherry picking AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #62

I try. Agschmid Mar 2015 #75

Warren simply wants to return to "Eisenhower-era middle class values" (that's the way I'd frame it) zazen Mar 2015 #7

The easy reply to that would be former9thward Mar 2015 #27

That is only part of the story. zeemike Mar 2015 #57

There is far, far more investment in the economy now than the 50s. former9thward Mar 2015 #61

Stop making sense! MADem Mar 2015 #85

The stock market is a phony wealth. zeemike Mar 2015 #97

The stock market isn't a reflection of the state of the nation's economy. cui bono Mar 2015 #100

I always figured it was the difference between... Blanks Mar 2015 #80

I think that would be a very smart sales pitch. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #59

Obama won on "closing all tax loopholes" JonLP24 Mar 2015 #9

Well, I have been blocked by Howard Dean at Twitter since I questioned his ed reform views. madfloridian Mar 2015 #10

He's right. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #12

Most people are smarter than that JonLP24 Mar 2015 #22

It's not a matter of being "smarter". NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #33

It's not the nineties anymore. Most people are struggling. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #38

I just don't see a lot of that myself JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42

You have something to back that up, or is it just something you're pulling out of thin air? Dawgs Mar 2015 #37

Well, let's judge everything ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #48

Eh, I deconstructed the Trickle Down theory of economics on Discussionist and no one disagreed.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #55

Who is talking about "trickle down" here? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #65

Anyone who is talking about "don't soak the rich" is referring to Trickle Down Fumesucker Mar 2015 #73

Oy vey. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #76

For sure Dean and Hillary don't want to be associated with that message. Autumn Mar 2015 #60

I wish he had been more specific about what 'rhetoric' from Warren he thinks should be 'scaled back' bigtree Mar 2015 #15

Bingo! trumad Mar 2015 #35

Dean made up the 'soak the rich' just to hit Warren.... 4139 Mar 2015 #16

Sixty percent of all Americans back higher taxes on higher incomes Oilwellian Mar 2015 #19

While my experience is very anecdoctal JonLP24 Mar 2015 #26

Can't be. Some here think most people in the middle-class think they're rich. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #44

No one here said ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #49

Okay. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #52

Who is talking about 'soaking', just a bit of more dampness is all I've been hearing. langstonhues Mar 2015 #20

... 2004 is calling, Dean. Wants The Scream back. of all people, Dean ?? STFU. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #21

Maybe he learned something from it? Agschmid Mar 2015 #25

Clearly, he learned the wrong thing and Warren is not screaming. I think it Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #72

Oooooooh!!! I was thinking the same thing!!! bravenak Mar 2015 #34

GMTA Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #102

I think Warren's rhetoric could be far more honest, she speaks as if she herself was not a Supply Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #23

She clearly does reject them JonLP24 Mar 2015 #36

+1 trumad Mar 2015 #53

The important thing is - she moved. djean111 Mar 2015 #47

I only hear her positions on one area, so that's one thing. The other is I just don't care for Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #74

The rhetoric of equality helped Obama twice. Why abandon it now? HRC doesn't want to embrace it, leveymg Mar 2015 #28

I have low expectations of all politicians, so few ever disappoint bigwillq Mar 2015 #31

As I posted elsewhere n2doc Mar 2015 #32

He's playing both side of this argument. Tatiana Mar 2015 #40

He's out of touch with most Americans, and that's sad. n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #45

He left a long time ago. Too bad since he created a great grassroots campaign. mmonk Mar 2015 #41

Me thinks Mr Dean Dips fredamae Mar 2015 #43

What constitutes "rich" in everyone's eyes? George II Mar 2015 #46

Warren is not against wealth zentrum Mar 2015 #50

As an admin for the Democratic party Madmiddle Mar 2015 #51

the 2% has totally brainwashed the lower classes to fear ALL TAXES going higher. divide +conquer! pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #56

I guess everybody has a price, and Dean must have collected. PedXing Mar 2015 #63

Only because Americans don't understand progressive taxation abelenkpe Mar 2015 #64

If a middle-class person thinks their taxes are going up when they hear "tax the rich"... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #66

This may be the tip of the party establishment's campaign against the Warren wing. Marr Mar 2015 #68

So much for the notion of Warren pulling Hillary to the left. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #69

once again Dean looses his cool olddots Mar 2015 #78

I will call this one The Dean Mean. langstonhues Mar 2015 #89

He disappointed you and I. Stellar Mar 2015 #81

No offense to Dr. Dean, but his mindset is from 20 or 30 years ago. DefenseLawyer Mar 2015 #84

Warren is charismatic, enrgetic, and pushing a strong message, HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #94

Some things can be humbling moments. Rex Mar 2015 #99

I really hope this is just temporary behavior to get himself appointed head of the DNC... cascadiance Mar 2015 #101

Actually did Howard ever listen to what Warren has said. She did NOT go after wealth creation, but still_one Mar 2015 #103