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BainsBane

(57,760 posts)
37. You can't be serious
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:21 PM
Mar 2015

This is a long post, but I take challenges to my integrity very seriously and have a great deal to say.

I don't attack people for being "left." I'm a Marxist, for Christ sake. The difference is I understand the nature of the capitalist state, and now I get lectured by people who can't tell Marxist analysis from the Sunday newspaper.

I demonstrate my principles often in my posts. I post about social justice, violence, human equality, feminism, racism, empire, and war, even Marxist theory. I clearly express my principles in those threads. If I did not have principles, I would engage in group think and go along with the prevailing view at the time. That is something I have never done. What I do not do is focus entirely on contests among political elites. I know that social change doesn't emanate from the presidency down. As someone with training in social history and social movements in particular, I know that social change comes from the bottom up, and that politicians only respond when compelled to by the people. You see, focusing on the presidency to the exclusion of particular causes reflects a conservative (not as in GOP but in the more traditional meaning, as in great man view of history and social change) worldview. For example, people present FDR as a savior, the only real Democrat, yet show no awareness that FDR acted because he was forced to by widespread social movements. He saved the capitalist system by creating the New Deal that has assuaged many of the excesses of capitalist exploitation. If not for him, it is possible the country might have turned to social revolution at that time. He made sure it did not.

I did not grow up upper-middle or middle-class, so I have never been among the people who expected government to cater to me. I expect for people who grew up in more advantageous circumstances, there probably was a time when they saw government representing their interests. It has never represented the poor, and the days some here hearken back to were a time when the majority of the population was denied basic civil rights and existed outside the body politic.

My academic background in the history of nation building and national identity also enables me to see national mythology at work. Much of the frustration I see here is from people who buy into the national mythology of government for the people and by the people and think that government's failure to serve the needs of common people is new. It is not new. It is endemic to the capitalist state, a state that was never intended to serve common people, which is clear from how the framers set up government. While it is true that the cash nexus between capital and state is more naked than in the past, the fundamental relationship is much the same. A key difference today is that capital is increasingly global, and its accumulation is no longer dependent on nation. That has generated a new host of contradictions that we are witnessing today.

I don't see a lot of principal in endless fixation on contests among political elites. I do not see disputes about individual politicians as reflective of principle. In fact it avoids a discussion of broader and more systemic problems that cannot be solved by a President. When people identify one individual, like Clinton, as responsible for the ills of capitalism, it frustrates me because it reduces a systemic problem to a caricature and thus allows no possibility of addressing it. I consider that a very narrow political worldview.

I have never known of a politician in this country who expressed my views. The closest globally is Salvador Allende, but I know the nature of the country I live in. I look at electoral politics quite pragmatically: my principles are not expressed within the confines of the governmental structures of the capitalist state. When I was younger, I wouldn't identify as a Democrat for that reason and often voted third party. Bush changed that. He was so awful I realized I had to consistently vote for Democrats. I'm all for progressive reform of the party, and time and time again I have suggested that people get involved at the local level to make that happen. Expecting a president to spontaneously transform society is folly and impossible under the confines of our system.

I live in one of the most progressive states in the country, a state that has gotten a lot of press about its governor lately. Yet missed in that coverage is that we have the most politically engaged population in the country: not only do we have the highest voter participation rates in the country, we organize around issues like marriage equality, defeating voter ID and retaining election-day voter registration, an increase in the minimum wage linked to inflation, requiring employers to pay sick leave, funding for the arts and parks. That is all possible because the population organized for it, not because we waited for a governor to give it to us. If we are to have progressive reform, people need to do that all around the country. Sitting back and waiting for the perfect president to bestow it is a fool's errand. Worse yet, people who think that not voting constitutes a form of activism only make the situation worse.

I think part of what is happening here is we have a fundamental disagreement about what constitutes left. For me, leftism is Marxism, socialism. It is not liberalism, and it is not embodied in a particular US presidential candidate or arguments over individual public figures. And in fact when that is accompanied by hostility to the rights and interest of the subaltern (eg. racial justice, gender equality, and full civil rights for LGBT), I consider it right-wing.

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Yes!!! zappaman Mar 2015 #1
I devoutly hope so. hifiguy Mar 2015 #2
"sly" "playing the media" (conservative) WAPO "exulted" Hmmm. merrily Mar 2015 #3
For most people, meaning those who want govt to function BainsBane Mar 2015 #4
No kidding. Not the point of my post or, I suspect, of Ms. Vennochio's article, either. merrily Mar 2015 #5
I think it's a flattering piece BainsBane Mar 2015 #10
The real intent wasn't to flatter and what Hatch did to Kennedy is relevant. Sorry you missed both merrily Mar 2015 #14
Wake me Caretha Mar 2015 #11
Democrats working across the aisle does not mean starting at center right. merrily Mar 2015 #15
In this era, with every Republican being totally unreasonable and unreachable, Ken Burch Mar 2015 #35
That may be true BainsBane Mar 2015 #38
Obviously, worrying about presidential politics isn't ever going to be enough. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #42
I like your truthapaloozza festival idea BainsBane Mar 2015 #44
Elizabeth Warren can and will rise higher. n/t Autumn Mar 2015 #6
Perhaps BainsBane Mar 2015 #7
B-b-but...we need a STRONG LEADER! YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #13
Actually, we need a wise, strong, skillful leader who puts the 99% above himself or herself, above merrily Mar 2015 #20
For a long time, Democrats were in the majority--and Kennedy did not start at center right. merrily Mar 2015 #16
Um, I would much rather she be the Original Liz Warren. We already have Great Compromisers. djean111 Mar 2015 #8
Without compromise there is no governance BainsBane Mar 2015 #9
IOW Caretha Mar 2015 #12
"Nervous" is not necessarily the word I would have chosen, but I do take your point. merrily Mar 2015 #17
Try reading BainsBane Mar 2015 #19
The fact you Caretha Mar 2015 #21
You don't know the first thing about my principles or my views BainsBane Mar 2015 #24
Stop Caretha Mar 2015 #26
"A real conversation" BainsBane Mar 2015 #28
Whether or not you have principles, Bain, you do have the tendency Ken Burch Mar 2015 #30
I don't believe I claimed otherwise BainsBane Mar 2015 #40
Deal Caretha Mar 2015 #34
The reason so few of us "know the first thing about (your) principles or (your) views" Ken Burch Mar 2015 #31
You can't be serious BainsBane Mar 2015 #37
I actually agree with most of what you just posted there. It was very eloquent. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #41
I have suggested just that countless times BainsBane Mar 2015 #43
That's a lot of straw men (and personal) insults, given what Caretha's post actually said. merrily Mar 2015 #22
What did her post say? BainsBane Mar 2015 #23
No one lectured you. And Caretha's post said very little. You, however, merrily Mar 2015 #25
This is becoming increasingly tiresome BainsBane Mar 2015 #27
We don't always to settle for half-, third-, or quarter-measures to "make things happen" though. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #33
Let us sincerly hope not! whistler162 Mar 2015 #18
Hopefully not the next Ted Kennedy-as-presidential candidate, though. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #29
No, but she doesn't have a Chappaquiddick in her background BainsBane Mar 2015 #32
The vicious tactics of the Carter people did him in, too. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #36
Well, his run against a sitting President was unorthodox BainsBane Mar 2015 #39
Elizabeth Warren just needs to keep on being Elizabeth Warren. KMOD Mar 2015 #45
Nah. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #46
So now you don't even like Warren? BainsBane Mar 2015 #47
I love Warren MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #48
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