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18. Yes, vast improvements started halfway through Clinton's tenure

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 10:59 AM

Mar 2015

We finally moved off Windows NT. We got Explorer 7! We also got the option of using Chrome, though not as a default browser. (Still no Firefox though). Inbox size restrictions were lifted (previously, email inboxes had been so small that a single deck of Pentagon PowerPoint slides could shut down the whole thing; try working on Afghanistan or Iraq under those conditions...). And email from outside addresses seems to go through the firewall much more quickly (email to/from my gmail account arrives almost instantaneously these days; 3-4 years ago, a 20-minute lag was routine, even for mail with no attachments).

All this phased in slowly starting around 2011, IIRC, so yes -- Kerry came in to a much better-equipped department than Hillary had.

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I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email. [View all] Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 OP

K&R. Good post nt riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #1

And the National Archivist testified in 2013 that it was legal to use private email accounts. pnwmom Mar 2015 #227

what mail server does the department use- snooper2 Mar 2015 #2

No idea, sorry (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #3

Well, looks like it is outsourced and I'm sure they WAY overfuckingspent snooper2 Mar 2015 #13

All of USG uses Exchange except a few tech shops Recursion Mar 2015 #256

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #250

This OP is a year old. Fascinating wrong-headed and uninformed arguments defending her. Still are. leveymg Apr 2016 #282

Easy to find out Aerows Mar 2015 #114

Maybe still on CCMail LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #204

I think that Hillary is very tech savvy. But the rest of your points are Autumn Mar 2015 #4

why would you think she is tech savy snooper2 Mar 2015 #15

So what. I haven't driven since 2010. And she has staffers so why should she drive Autumn Mar 2015 #23

sure LOL snooper2 Mar 2015 #33

Whatever. Autumn Mar 2015 #35

She was tech savvy enough to know that the official email was a public record leveymg Mar 2015 #151

I think you work for the government you don't use your personal email Autumn Mar 2015 #154

The General just pleaded to Unlawful Retention and Use. Fine no jail. leveymg Mar 2015 #179

That does it! Caretha Mar 2015 #238

What? You want to put the chauffeur out of a job??? Autumn Mar 2015 #239

So not worried about the chauffeur Caretha Mar 2015 #241

Caretha, as long as you and I see the same thing, I know I'm seeing the right thing Autumn Mar 2015 #242

as a former first lady... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #234

I would listen to the op - there is nothing in her background that suggests that she karynnj Mar 2015 #66

+ 100 n/t MBS Mar 2015 #112

Are you saying that one has to be on the leading edge of technology to do email? Autumn Mar 2015 #191

of course not - I was responding to her being labeled very tech saavy karynnj Mar 2015 #199

I think it was deliberate to NEVER have an email roguevalley Mar 2015 #178

I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for this. The bad system excuse is all horse shit Autumn Mar 2015 #182

thank you, autumn. Hugs roguevalley Mar 2015 #186

It's all BS excuses. Hillary emails from her phone, she used a personal account to do so. Autumn Mar 2015 #193

Thank You. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #5

"Not especially competent demon spawn from hell" Fumesucker Mar 2015 #6

Not good - as they were the people she chose karynnj Mar 2015 #17

Are those our only choices? Chellee Mar 2015 #180

Sounds like her former campaign team... 2nd verse same as the 1st; I wonder. procon Mar 2015 #158

Sounds like an inspiringly perfect fit for leading in the 21st century TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #7

Honestly, it's not much different at DoD either. brendan120678 Mar 2015 #8

I'm involved in some projects with the Air Force... Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #31

She also famously stated that she Aerows Mar 2015 #9

Most rich folks lead pretty insulated lives... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #14

Same bullshit Aerows Mar 2015 #19

It was posted elsewhere that this became law in November 2014, when Barack signed it into law. DebJ Mar 2015 #29

Excuse me? Aerows Mar 2015 #34

Not the archiving. The specification that only government email systems could be used. DebJ Mar 2015 #38

I am uniquely qualified Aerows Mar 2015 #46

Hillary archived her email. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #107

And some of those emails were probably to Chelsea.... n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #120

OMG Aerows Mar 2015 #109

No one is championing it... Agschmid Mar 2015 #117

check my email reply to other posts, agschmid roguevalley Mar 2015 #188

If you can PM me the link to that post. Agschmid Mar 2015 #189

The risk of compromise of national security would depend upon the information DebJ Mar 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #128

I'm done Aerows Mar 2015 #147

No Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #129

Yes, Hillary deleted emails. frylock Apr 2016 #274

FYI this thread is a year old. DesMoinesDem Apr 2016 #278

Someone kicked it back to the top. frylock Apr 2016 #280

Wait, now you're worried about "national security" being "compromised"? Is that really you, Aerows? SunSeeker Mar 2015 #217

Ka-BOOM! Number23 Mar 2015 #220

.. Cha Mar 2015 #236

That calls for a bit of this: Number23 Mar 2015 #243

Perfect. Another hypocrite busted. Mahalo SunSeeker Cha Mar 2015 #235

Aerows, my response began "Not the archiving". ???? n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #102

thank you aerows. I know that too. roguevalley Mar 2015 #185

Most professionals Aerows Mar 2015 #192

Well, we're not dealing with most professionals here. frylock Apr 2016 #275

Seems like they were archived considering they turned over 55,000. Agschmid Mar 2015 #49

It seems Aerows Mar 2015 #52

Please tell me where there is a link saying some were "missing".. Agschmid Mar 2015 #57

Well, there were no emails about the wedding flowers. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #229

Clinton Hacker Extradited to U.S. frylock Apr 2016 #277

Actually, the accusation is that she was using an email other than a government email, period. DebJ Mar 2015 #116

The 55,000 may not have come from Clinton's account. former9thward Mar 2015 #71

Here you go riversedge Mar 2015 #58

And Aerows Mar 2015 #62

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how they were not archived... Agschmid Mar 2015 #76

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer Aerows Mar 2015 #84

You really have no idea why Hillary used outside email. kwassa Mar 2015 #100

It's not trivial Aerows Mar 2015 #103

Aerows, please quote the law that she was in violation of; the requirements of that law, DebJ Mar 2015 #108

They will deflect to the archive issue... Agschmid Mar 2015 #111

She wasn't breaking the law because the law is recent. kwassa Mar 2015 #118

Not for the Secretary of State to determine for herself. That's why there is a secure gov't system leveymg Mar 2015 #152

The OP discusses the inadequacies of this system. kwassa Mar 2015 #155

Do you really think that's the reason she never used it? leveymg Mar 2015 #183

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #251

This is a matter of point-blank common sense. RiverNoord Mar 2015 #150

Trivial things, like circumventing FOIA requests. frylock Apr 2016 #279

So she turned over 55,000 emails. Calista241 Mar 2015 #273

2013 - and michael schmidt forget to mention the rule didn't exist in 2013 in his NYT article WashingtonConsensus Mar 2015 #69

...^ that 840high Mar 2015 #81

It drives me nuts. Aerows Mar 2015 #132

No Aerows. I have no firm feelings on Hillary myself. I am just asking for the specific DebJ Mar 2015 #141

I always laugh at that story. Thanks. kairos12 Mar 2015 #41

The Secret Service probably prevented her from driving. n/t rickford66 Mar 2015 #16

Bullshit Aerows Mar 2015 #30

Name an ex-president or first lady that drives on public roads. rickford66 Mar 2015 #60

You are welcome Aerows Mar 2015 #63

And you are welcome to your opinions which don't agree with facts. n/t rickford66 Mar 2015 #64

I have Aerows Mar 2015 #70

You called BS on my post about HRC driving. I never commented about her emails. rickford66 Mar 2015 #83

I'm in a thread about email Aerows Mar 2015 #90

Tweet tweet rickford66 Mar 2015 #96

I hope Aerows Mar 2015 #97

I'm streaming the Daily Show, so I am smiling. rickford66 Mar 2015 #115

Aerows, where has anyone said that emails should not be, or were not, archived? DebJ Mar 2015 #131

Why didn't he drive himself? A Simple Game Mar 2015 #105

Read closely. GHWB. Not "W" rickford66 Mar 2015 #161

Sorry my mistake. I would have been right though. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #165

The incident occurred in the mid 90's. rickford66 Mar 2015 #172

And so are all the elite whom we elect. No one is a Pope Francis. n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #133

that is nothing short of assinine I would bet no King of Norway has been assassinated since Viking dsc Mar 2015 #225

I understand her not driving herself for security reasons. But the e mail thing Autumn Mar 2015 #27

It bugged the hell out of me Aerows Mar 2015 #32

Well the driver has to take the Clinton family to play golf with the Bush family BubbaFett Mar 2015 #221

I have absolutely no reason to doubt this. It speaks... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #10

Thank you for this inside opinion karynnj Mar 2015 #11

Yes, vast improvements started halfway through Clinton's tenure Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #18

Thanks for the informative posts! SunSeeker Mar 2015 #99

That's definitely not an endorsement of their IT competence KeepItReal Mar 2015 #12

Speaking as an IT PM with four decades of experience, it is not as quick and easy as you suggest. riqster Mar 2015 #67

We talking email. Email. Not an ERP suite nor building a new network. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #168

Rocket science, no. Simple? Also no. riqster Mar 2015 #175

Never said "quick and easy-peasy". KeepItReal Mar 2015 #201

Read the articles. They say: riqster Mar 2015 #210

Please cite the article you are referring to that says State email was unworkable KeepItReal Mar 2015 #216

I should have said "read the OP". riqster Mar 2015 #219

40 years here also and much easier that you propose! nt Logical Mar 2015 #208

Really? Please explain. riqster Mar 2015 #211

But it was okay for Hillary to hire someone not vetted by State Dept. to set up and run her server? All in it together Apr 2016 #285

Why is the federal government so bad at technology for its own offices? alarimer Mar 2015 #20

We're always told it's about security (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #25

It's more about stability than security Recursion Mar 2015 #233

Well-put (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #237

For the same reason our military is much more heavily armed than our mall cops. jeff47 Mar 2015 #43

Perhaps the highly technically competent and science competent goons in Congress DebJ Mar 2015 #137

Money treestar Mar 2015 #181

I'd say two things are at fault... Adrahil Mar 2015 #254

I'm a front-end web developer IRL justiceischeap Mar 2015 #266

Question chalmers Mar 2015 #21

Nope! LOL Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #24

Thanks for your perspective. BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #26

Good post. Skinner Mar 2015 #28

Very interesting comments about her staff. I wonder how much of this explains bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #36

I'm sorry, I can't quite make heads or tails of your post without vitriol and doom and gloom. randome Mar 2015 #37

Here's what I don't get. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #121

K&R! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #40

If I was President or Secretary of State I wouldn't use email at all. hunter Mar 2015 #42

"State rank-and-file, who are overwhelmingly liberal Dems" - way off topic, but I KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #44

State is full of liberal Democrats and Mormons Recursion Mar 2015 #262

Things are not always what they appear to be. yallerdawg Mar 2015 #45

Interesting that technology improvements were made under Clinton's tenure. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #47

Those that make the rules should follow them..... burfman Mar 2015 #48

What rule would that be? She was under no obligation to use only public email. randome Mar 2015 #51

It's perhaps a little like trusting Nixon to give us a complete transcript of his tapes.... burfman Mar 2015 #59

There was another post about the term 'regular federal employee'. randome Mar 2015 #68

Bullshit Android3.14 Mar 2015 #50

... riversedge Mar 2015 #56

Unacceptable response Android3.14 Mar 2015 #61

That response explains to you that she was following the law. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #75

Your response has no weight Android3.14 Mar 2015 #85

they were preserved and handed over. 55,000 of them. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #92

The RW hate maching is having a hay day riversedge Mar 2015 #124

Humpty, meet Dumpty Android3.14 Mar 2015 #134

I try not to listen to fox news talking points. riversedge Mar 2015 #139

Insults are a poor response to a real credibility issue Android3.14 Mar 2015 #145

We can hope. Android3.14 Mar 2015 #125

How do you turn over 50,000+ emails if you didn't preserve them? Agschmid Mar 2015 #176

And sinceshe'salready released the emails ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #167

Some well know corporations doing DOD work have terrible IT systems. rickford66 Mar 2015 #53

That's a scandal in itself. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #54

I don't mean to be dismissive or stereotype, but a person in their late 60's who isn't confident Sarcastica Mar 2015 #55

With all due respect, this post is hearsay. I could say I worked at State and you're wrong. arcane1 Mar 2015 #65

This post is direct testimony. Hearsay is if you report it to someone else. kwassa Mar 2015 #73

correct nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #74

You're right. I meant to say there is no evidence in the OP to supports its claims. arcane1 Mar 2015 #98

You either accept the OP's truthfulness or you don't. kwassa Mar 2015 #104

I can neither believe nor disbelieve, that was my point. Not enough data to make that call. arcane1 Mar 2015 #110

I can add some real hearsay to his first-hand report Lefta Dissenter Mar 2015 #244

Tell me if you'd make the same points if she was a Republican. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #72

That would just make him a partisan, not dishonest wyldwolf Mar 2015 #78

Actually there is a word that starts with H. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #79

well why not enlighten us? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #86

When you profess to have values that you don't really have Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #89

He's not making an apology wyldwolf Mar 2015 #91

Then I will avidly wait for a similar defense of Bush/Cheney. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #93

Be my guest. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #94

No, we wouldn't treestar Mar 2015 #184

I see. Ethics, rules, and laws are for the other guys to observe. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #207

No, we just think it less likely our side is not going to do the wrong thing treestar Mar 2015 #222

It's fun to pretend we know what another person would say in another situation. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #205

Hillary is a lawyer Aerows Mar 2015 #77

.... 840high Mar 2015 #88

Assuming, of course, that there is any truth to the OP in the first place n/t arcane1 Mar 2015 #101

That's twice now that you've implied that I'm a liar Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #130

I implied no such thing. I'm simply saying it's an anonymous post w/no evidence. arcane1 Mar 2015 #142

That's a creative allegation. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #206

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #252

I don't think Hanlon's razor can be applied to people in positions like SoS. Marr Mar 2015 #80

It can be applied to other people that work there. kwassa Mar 2015 #123

You want to blame the people who work in IT at State Marr Mar 2015 #136

If IT can't provide a robust email systems to support the neccessities of the work .. kwassa Mar 2015 #146

Would you have so easily accepted this excuse from the Bush Administration? /nt Marr Mar 2015 #163

Sure. I wasn't surprised by their email behavior. kwassa Mar 2015 #194

The questiion that comes to me though is were you outraged at Cheney's lies at the time? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #230

I was outraged at the time. They were obvious. kwassa Mar 2015 #232

A friend who worked at the White House has similar tales. kwassa Mar 2015 #87

That's not an email problem. Marr Mar 2015 #138

There were multiple problems. This was just one of them. kwassa Mar 2015 #144

Thanks, this is interesting. herding cats Mar 2015 #95

Gmail is likely more secure than government managed email anyway. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #106

Thank you for this. SheilaT Mar 2015 #113

Thanks, and a very good one: elleng Mar 2015 #119

Interesting. VERY interesting. I didn't realize I had so much in common with Hillary Clinton. calimary Mar 2015 #122

Great post, good insights. nt greatlaurel Mar 2015 #171

I'm not exactly a Luddite, but I am extremely slow to adapt to technological changes. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #196

She was the one in charge! The big boss! Fix it. hugo_from_TN Mar 2015 #247

With all due respect - I am not seeking a mid-level corporate job. calimary Mar 2015 #260

Well, I am glad that the bid Speech is also going on to take... riversedge Mar 2015 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #135

Very useful information. As long as the gov archived her emails this shouldn't be much of a problem. Kablooie Mar 2015 #140

Thanks for that internal view. juajen Mar 2015 #143

Relevance? Reportedly, she never used the approved email system, not just on trips or remotely. leveymg Mar 2015 #148

I was explaining why Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #156

Republican Select committee on Bengazi just announced hearings on this issue.. riversedge Mar 2015 #149

since the GOP is not interested in actual governance guillaumeb Mar 2015 #157

I also worked for the Federal Government for 37 years. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #153

thanks for contributing your personal experience in this area. kwassa Mar 2015 #195

Thank you very much for this, PPS. KnR Hekate Mar 2015 #159

She knew enough to register - or have registered - her own personal email domain so Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #160

Amazing how quickly/will ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #162

In case you haven't seen my newest pic: freshwest Mar 2015 #272

Thanks for a thoughtful, non-reactionary post. nolabear Mar 2015 #164

If for nothing else, thank you for introducing me to Hanlon's Razor. tclambert Mar 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #169

Oh the Horror of it,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #170

I thought she was with the group bringing: ''Change We Can Believe In?'' DeSwiss Mar 2015 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #174

K&R treestar Mar 2015 #177

Beware your postings on a political commentary site PPS benld74 Mar 2015 #187

Having attempted to work with Department of Rehabilitation computers daredtowork Mar 2015 #190

So what's Jeb's excuse? KamaAina Mar 2015 #197

I just have one question: Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198

Sorry, I don't see how any of your "state dept. email sucks" gripes have a bearing TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #200

Thanks. I think this is a bogus issue, but one the Republicans will use to defeat her bid JDPriestly Mar 2015 #202

Daily Beast proves story is not accutrate. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #203

Thanks for the links. Very interesting information. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #213

Michael Tomasky reminds us of the NY Times' poor record on facts wyldwolf Mar 2015 #209

Thanks for the information. Very good post. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #214

So the excuse is incompetence and ignorance? cui bono Mar 2015 #212

Does no one in the media remember what happened in 2007? I hate liars Mar 2015 #215

Welcome to DU, I hate liars! calimary Mar 2015 #224

typikal govurnmnt prokurmint. pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #218

So there is no IT team for the SOS? How pathetic. Rex Mar 2015 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #226

k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #231

Except the Clintons are not incompetent when it comes to knowing what the FOIA demands and they hate ARMYofONE Mar 2015 #240

If this is all true, what exactly did Hillary's State Department... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #245

Lots Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #253

You could pay all 50,000 employees $120k and that still leaves $54B... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #267

Seems like if you were in charge of State you would have busted butt for 4 years fixing that. hugo_from_TN Mar 2015 #246

This! Lars39 Mar 2015 #248

So, two points: Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #259

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #249

Are you telling me that LWolf Mar 2015 #255

Absolutely Recursion Mar 2015 #263

Considering the LWolf Mar 2015 #264

The problem is inertia and bureaucracy Recursion Mar 2015 #265

It is incredulous to think that she does not have tech support randr Mar 2015 #257

"State is famously behind the times when it comes to digital technology." mackerel Mar 2015 #258

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #261

retrieving data NSAserver Mar 2015 #268

The first time it was funny, the second not so much. Third time? Bordering on spam. uppityperson Mar 2015 #269

No charm for the third time GP6971 Mar 2015 #270

It was me. My apologies. KMOD Mar 2015 #271

I am curious why you call her staff demon spawns from hell, yet you say the Secty was lovely. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #276

Excellent post! Thank you. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #281

That's all fine, but matt819 Apr 2016 #283

Agree, but... Proud Public Servant Apr 2016 #287

Yeah, well I work for USA Security and we have bunch of prosecutors trying to find some law Clinton Hoyt Apr 2016 #284

Thank you for a very informative post Gothmog Apr 2016 #286