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173. I brought up the other things to suggest that Shrum was trying to demonstrate in

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:31 PM

Mar 2015

a pretty graphic way that Edwards - then running for President - was not an honest person. If anything the confidence violated was Kerry's. While it is true that Edwards told Kerry he was speaking in confidence - he also spoke of how this was something he had never told anyone. Kerry was shocked, because Edwards had previously told Kerry the exact same thing earlier. What shocked Kerry was that Edwards was obviously in the habit of telling this intensely personal story as a device to get close to them. Kerry had never been a close friend and didn't even share any committees with Edwards.

That Kerry told Shrum the story when Shrum, Clinton, and Kennedy all pushed for Kerry to select Edwards. This event had soured Kerry enough on Edwards that he told Shrum he needed to meet with him again before even considering him. Kerry felt he had to explain while in his gut he was not for Edwards. (As Edwards, thanks to the gaga media coverage polled the best and many in the media were already arguing that the only reason he might not be chosen is that Kerry did not want the charismatic Edwards to outshine him. In fact, in the general election that was NEVER close to reality.)

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I'm very sorry Hillary Clinton has a sad today. [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2015 OP

"it seems, she's disinterested in following the law when it comes to governmental data collection." wyldwolf Mar 2015 #1

The Federal Records Act. merrily Mar 2015 #108

Show me where that applies here wyldwolf Mar 2015 #205

Law or not, she did the EXACT SAME THING SARAH PALIN DID! HRC acted deceptively. TheBlackAdder Mar 2015 #203

Will, you have a gift. Thank you for your words. Autumn Mar 2015 #2

maybe you can swear her out just like you did Obama on the ACA still_one Mar 2015 #3

I remember that. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #5

I missed that... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #11

Trying to find it for you. Until then, here's another top 10 hit: wyldwolf Mar 2015 #28

ah, here we go wyldwolf Mar 2015 #31

It seems like a misreading of the ACA while not perfect has been a godsend to many people. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #40

Night and Day wyldwolf Mar 2015 #42

+1 Hekate Mar 2015 #58

When you run out of facts, is personal attack your default setting, ww? leveymg Mar 2015 #60

Interesting you think it's an attack. Will thinks it's evolution wyldwolf Mar 2015 #76

yea, lets make it personal G_j Mar 2015 #72

Which was? Will is happy that a fellow Democrat was unjustly smeared? dbackjon Mar 2015 #212

Evolution. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #74

Obviously you don't accept what she wrote in her book. That could be considered evolution still_one Mar 2015 #87

It's posts like this that make me wish that "Oh, Snap" were still an "in" saying. merrily Mar 2015 #116

Disagree, but while we're at it, there's a whole slew of DUers who changed their stances on a dime cui bono Mar 2015 #179

EXCELLENT! grasswire Mar 2015 #224

a-fucking-men awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #284

+1. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #82

Actually that was kind of a mea culpa. The original post was far worse still_one Mar 2015 #85

"maybe you can swear her out just like you did Obama" LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #79

As much as I disagree with you, Codeine Mar 2015 #95

Lol. I like your sense of humor still_one Mar 2015 #127

DUzy. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #285

Swear her out of what? merrily Mar 2015 #112

I haven't heard that expression... one_voice Mar 2015 #171

And maybe you could comment on the OP rather than attempting to discredit the messenger, a tactic sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #201

Good plan! demwing Mar 2015 #268

Flawless LittleBlue Mar 2015 #4

Actually not. Like so much he puts out... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #83

Seems that the facts bear out for Will. freebrew Mar 2015 #110

You know, there is a thread of truth in everything Limbaugh and O'Reilly say, too. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #128

So I'm Limbaugh and O'Reilly now. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #135

Paranoid much? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #136

Anyone can read what you implied. Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #144

+1 The meme that left of center is more rightist than the center right is ludicrous on its face. merrily Mar 2015 #147

Does it faze you at all that Pitt has now been shown to be incredibly premature in passing judgment? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #208

Odd reply to my Reply 147, which had zero to do with Hillary's emails. merrily Mar 2015 #210

Loaded question Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #220

Speaking of ass... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #178

Well, YOU care, apparently demwing Mar 2015 #269

No, but I really enjoy throwing salt in the wounds. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #278

So you're a troll? demwing Mar 2015 #288

Sweet jeebus. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #289

look in the fucking mirror demwing Mar 2015 #290

There's a "fucking mirror"? Sounds kinky. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #291

Oh my heart, it's breaking demwing Mar 2015 #293

...and Hitler, Putin luv'r. L0oniX Mar 2015 #231

And yet you didn't rebut it at all. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #182

Oh, but I did Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #184

I was replying to your unsubstantive post that merely claimed bullshit. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #197

Really, that was your response to Keystone? TiberiusB Mar 2015 #272

Opposition to Keystone is a symbolic gesture. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #279

I'm not sure we can handle that much cognitive dissonance tularetom Mar 2015 #6

She ain't "our" nominee yet. merrily Mar 2015 #120

K and R bigwillq Mar 2015 #7

Oh, for heaven's sake nichomachus Mar 2015 #8

Pedantic mode on! jeff47 Mar 2015 #17

That's what they want you to think. nichomachus Mar 2015 #19

Utah Data Center was completed in May 2014 at a cost of $1.5 billion .... Go Vols Mar 2015 #157

Thank you for your service nichomachus Mar 2015 #177

Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational datacenter! TiberiusB Mar 2015 #275

Were you that dismissive of violating the Federal Records Act when Bushco did it? merrily Mar 2015 #148

Not to mention the scarier part of the post that is sayingn go ahead and break the law cui bono Mar 2015 #193

I assumed the post was at least half tongue in cheek. merrily Mar 2015 #198

P.S. Please post whatever nonsense, true or not, you must post to protect the anointed one merrily Mar 2015 #204

Wow! Schumer doesn't believe in Democratic primaries??? cui bono Mar 2015 #209

More rhan that, he admits that avoiding primaries has been official DSCC POLICY since 2005. merrily Mar 2015 #211

Yup. We get to vote on who TPTB allow us to vote on. cui bono Mar 2015 #222

Wow. Really? Ask the NSA for the emails??? cui bono Mar 2015 #191

What law did she break? dbackjon Mar 2015 #213

... cui bono Mar 2015 #216

Be specific. And use real source dbackjon Mar 2015 #233

Follow the link provided. cui bono Mar 2015 #234

No they were not dbackjon Mar 2015 #236

I believe alot of Hillary supporters olddots Mar 2015 #9

Give her a break! I bet she was just "sleep deprived." n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #35

What mistake? Most of them are simply supporting the anointee of the Democratic Party. merrily Mar 2015 #149

Flowers blooming are always helped along by sowing turds. And white hat/black hat logic. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #10

So tell me... WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #14

Demanding comment board answers...no reply?..declaring victory! Save you the trouble..you win. White hat, always. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #18

Mutually exclusive thinking is stinking thinking. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21

Exactly my point...nuance invites debate, choosing hats invites prattle and turd flinging. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #26

Never stand in front of someone with an ideological axe to grind./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #32

Does not concern me much, cyber-axes are blunt instruments. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #34

I would be a hypocrite, at least in my own mind, if I held ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #36

How does that explain her betrayal via selling the Bush lies? rhett o rick Mar 2015 #47

And how many of them are willing to step into the fray and challenge her? Fla Dem Mar 2015 #75

There were quite a few last time. Why do you think no one will now? cui bono Mar 2015 #186

I don't know that there'll be no one. That's my point. Who's it going to be that will Fla Dem Mar 2015 #246

Why do I need to have the alternative handy? If I don't, does that mean it has to be HC? cui bono Mar 2015 #249

I agree, would love to see the conversation shift more to the left, but Fla Dem Mar 2015 #281

Does she have your vote? WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #27

Is there an election? Let me get out my calendar...nope, none on my calendar. What about yours? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #33

Pretty slick with those tap shoes. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #37

Thank you, I keep them in tune. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #38

if she runs and wins the primary, does she have yours? I am truly curious. uppityperson Mar 2015 #55

I honestly don't know. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #70

There is not rtracey Mar 2015 #88

That is not really the correct definition but instead an Einstein quote. Insanity is uppityperson Mar 2015 #146

It's not an Einstein quote, either. Could be Rita Mae Brown. greyl Mar 2015 #262

huh. I was wrong and learned something here today. Thanks for the info. uppityperson Mar 2015 #263

It's funny, greyl Mar 2015 #298

You had no problem voting for John Kerry, the pro IWR and Patriot Act senator from Massachusetts DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #237

Gawd, I hate to break it to you, but the President is elected by the Electoral College. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #253

You lost me... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #255

How Will voted in 2004 didn't matter, Massachusetts was a blue state that was going to vote for Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #256

What matters is he is criticizing someone for behavior he countenanced for another./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #257

Will is older and wiser now. What's the problem? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #260

Eleven years in the life of a quinquagenarian makes one older and wiser? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #270

Yes. 11 years can be a long time for some quinquagenarians. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #294

I will never countenance hypocrisy.Like Christ I would rather suffer the cross./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #295

Your 04 candidate John Kerry voted for the IWR, the Patriot Act and Citi and Goldman Sachs... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #239

Yes, but this is different because.. Cha Mar 2015 #252

Lol, nice try, we have higher standard, well, maybe not some of us! nt Logical Mar 2015 #140

The only thing sadder would be a President Cruz, Jeb Bush etc dbackjon Mar 2015 #12

You're not supposed to trot out that turd of an argument until October 2016. n/t nichomachus Mar 2015 #16

..which will be the ONLY argument by then. radiclib Mar 2015 #45

That used to be a big concern for me LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #119

If you don't think there would be a difference in a Clinton appointee or a Republcan appointee dbackjon Mar 2015 #122

She hasn't even announced yet, let alone won both the nomination and the general. merrily Mar 2015 #126

Agreed - but that still doesn't stop a good portion of DU dbackjon Mar 2015 #139

Nor does it stop a different portion of DU from posting as though she already won the nomination. merrily Mar 2015 #141

She is the front runner if she declares dbackjon Mar 2015 #161

But you were discussing her SCOTUS nominations, not her her positions. merrily Mar 2015 #162

Its still a concern LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #241

Great argument for next year around this time, but very premature before the primary even begins. merrily Mar 2015 #123

I'm a Luddite myself.... Indepatriot Mar 2015 #13

Not only did she not know about the Texas Two Step, but she was "savvy" enough to announce that to merrily Mar 2015 #131

To my knowledge Shrum did not work for Clinton - her top person at first was Patti Solis Doyle karynnj Mar 2015 #165

Thanks, karenny, but I did link to a wiki article that covered Doyle, Williams, Penn, et al. merrily Mar 2015 #166

I brought up the other things to suggest that Shrum was trying to demonstrate in karynnj Mar 2015 #173

As I said in my prior post, Shrum was an OT aside to begin with. Sorry, but I am not going down merrily Mar 2015 #175

I stand corrected about Shrum heading her campaign. Indepatriot Mar 2015 #261

I think that she H2O Man Mar 2015 #15

"It's OK, because a Republican did it. But it's not OK if Republicans do it. But it's OK, because Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #23

I don't think the Luddite explanation holds water, because it was a new domain Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #20

Luddites can employ technologically savvy people. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #25

If she's a Luddite* she sure keeps that phone handy in her world wide travels. Autumn Mar 2015 #41

A blackberry does not make one technologically savvy. jeff47 Mar 2015 #43

I think that the claim is that she isn't tech savvy is just silly IMO. Autumn Mar 2015 #50

People have different measures of "savvy". jeff47 Mar 2015 #53

I don't get why using one kind of email account is easier than using another. merrily Mar 2015 #132

Well, it wasn't even what she was used to using, so???? Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #159

I ain't buying the Luddite thing, that's for sure. merrily Mar 2015 #160

I don't believe clinton is uncomfortable with email. she's an intelligent woman and not that ND-Dem Mar 2015 #219

Note that account was hacked yet she continued to use it. leveymg Mar 2015 #265

Who says she's sad? randome Mar 2015 #22

And people say I'm overly literal. merrily Mar 2015 #134

"a nice warm purple space where we're trying to solve problems." The Onion? No. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #24

"..Clinton must be tempted to forego any genuflecting to progressives." KoKo Mar 2015 #64

A Wall Street Journal article about all the financial advisors her campaign has hired so far to merrily Mar 2015 #138

the K and the R... mike_c Mar 2015 #29

Well, okay then. I'm sure you'll like the results a whole lot when you decide to stay home on calimary Mar 2015 #30

And now she's pals with Henry Kissinger, the same creep who Cleita Mar 2015 #39

I am sorry for what happened in Chile, Cleita. johnnyreb Mar 2015 #137

Not only now. merrily Mar 2015 #145

One could write a similar post about President Obama guillaumeb Mar 2015 #44

Yes, I get it. Maedhros Mar 2015 #61

you do not get my point guillaumeb Mar 2015 #67

LOL the only people I notice being divisive are the ones saying we should not be divisive. Rex Mar 2015 #46

I guess Scott Walker would make a better choice. denbot Mar 2015 #48

OMG REPUBLICANS YOU GUYS WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #49

I'd prefer Saunders, Biden, and if Warren were running she would top my list. denbot Mar 2015 #57

Either you're incredibly ignorant of the facts or were too lazy to check them... brooklynite Mar 2015 #63

Social issues? sendero Mar 2015 #242

Funny, I was told that she ALWAYS voted with the Republicans... brooklynite Mar 2015 #243

Hillary=Democrat daredtowork Mar 2015 #99

2000 and 2004 were both stolen elections so maybe you should try a better canard. Rex Mar 2015 #51

Your damn right they were stolen, and now they are history. denbot Mar 2015 #69

No one is rejecting a Democratic candidate in the general. You keep glossing over the fact cui bono Mar 2015 #195

and what happened in 2004 when Conyers investigated the election? Mnpaul Mar 2015 #229

Typical hillary supporter, we need hillary to beat the GOP, lol! nt Logical Mar 2015 #143

Hmm... so we're not having a Democratic Primary any more? cui bono Mar 2015 #194

In fairness, she has not yet run on a platform of change. Orsino Mar 2015 #52

I'd be impressed with this 'scandal' if it had anything at all to do with any of those complaints bigtree Mar 2015 #54

I believe the Bushies did far far worse than anything they are accusing Hillary of. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #55

You really think Obama single-handedly is responsible for all post-Bush-era consequences? randome Mar 2015 #66

The only Argument for Hillary Rilgin Mar 2015 #59

is inevitability. n/t leveymg Mar 2015 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #65

Then of course, there is the real story... stevenleser Mar 2015 #68

That explains the IWR vote, the PATRIOT Act, Keystone and Goldman Sachs? WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #73

Yep, it does. stevenleser Mar 2015 #78

that is one lame list Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #154

Calling Civil Rights, Voting Rights and reproductive rights 'wedge issues' is very 2003 Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #167

Oh my God, I am running to high five your post! Number23 Mar 2015 #199

I doubt we could be any more in agreement on any issues than on those you list Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #218

To a white heterosexual everything civil rights related is a wedge issue./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #238

If I could rec your post I would. emulatorloo Mar 2015 #258

Lol, gullible much? No wonder fox keeps inviting you back! nt Logical Mar 2015 #105

Now that's a WPitt post I can rec. Dawgs Mar 2015 #71

Not a Hillary fan, but I'll rec this thread when hell freezes over. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #84

Why? n/t Dawgs Mar 2015 #89

Couple of reasons. One rational, one personal. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #92

well rtracey Mar 2015 #77

Welcome to the Democratic version of the Tea Party Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #80

and those who think it is okay to poison our food supply and hopemountain Mar 2015 #163

More hysteria. Christ, Pitt. I hope you are reading this with glee. More attention for you. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #180

why are you attacking me? hopemountain Mar 2015 #287

Not allowing criticism is the same thing, worse actually, because it takes our party farther right. cui bono Mar 2015 #190

I guess it boils down to whether or not you agree with him. I don't. n/t Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #200

You'll vote for her in the end alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #81

Already giving her the nom, huh? Dawgs Mar 2015 #91

Ha! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #96

I do believe your post just cost her some votes Android3.14 Mar 2015 #217

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #225

I dunno, kid Android3.14 Mar 2015 #226

Give Democrats somebody else to vote for and they will. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #106

Sure you will alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #117

No, I won't. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #118

You are correct on all points, as usual, WilliamPitt. joanbarnes Mar 2015 #86

You don't understand Will, she had to get a new account Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #90

More Negative Hateful Spin on Democrats Cryptoad Mar 2015 #93

when they do stuff you, I or we disagree, we should just neverforget Mar 2015 #189

Bah, humbug and all that other stuff! juajen Mar 2015 #94

Yep. Very sad. Tsk. Tsk. Millionaire politician suffers embarrassment. Tragic. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #97

I couldn't agree more. Mr. Mustard Mar 2015 #98

In light of this, I'm going to have to reconsider you, William, as someone to ignore, lol! closeupready Mar 2015 #100

Like little flowers' terrific feelings for it, Young Guy. Octafish Mar 2015 #101

Won't somebody please call her a KamaAina Mar 2015 #102

Thank you. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #103

"I'm not being divisive." "This is the cold, hard truth." asjr Mar 2015 #104

If you Honestly think that a post on DU would cause someone who believes Mrs. Clinton Indepatriot Mar 2015 #124

You may keep your bridge. That is a very juvenile response. I did not mention Mrs. Clinton in my asjr Mar 2015 #133

Bravo, Will. Bravissimo! hifiguy Mar 2015 #107

Spot on. Thank you. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #109

Why this story is even worse than it appears dissentient Mar 2015 #111

good article, thanks. MBS Mar 2015 #232

Kick and Rec Myrina Mar 2015 #113

Here we go again. George II Mar 2015 #114

lol rosesaylavee Mar 2015 #115

the Mark Rich pardon alone should disqualify her from consideration Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2015 #121

K&R! Carolina Mar 2015 #125

"If the Bush administration had unspooled that line, this place would have erupted. And rightly so." hootinholler Mar 2015 #129

Hillary aside, one line inyour post alone ought to earn it some sort of immortality: Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #130

I am with you on this one... NT Left coast liberal Mar 2015 #142

My vote counts and I am voting! maggies farm Mar 2015 #150

Way to go, there, Will. Pile on. MineralMan Mar 2015 #151

Tell me about how you supported the war. WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #155

I'm not telling you anything, Will. MineralMan Mar 2015 #169

Shoving words in people's mouths? I thought you were better than that. emulatorloo Mar 2015 #259

Bread. Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #158

Honesty deserves a few flowers.... daleanime Mar 2015 #152

Daily Beast proved the story is not true. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #153

Ooops. Looks like someone got punked by the NYT. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #156

Yes - William Pitt and the rest of the Hillary Haters dbackjon Mar 2015 #214

Will is rarely right Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #282

are you calling the poster a liar? Duppers Mar 2015 #164

No WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #170

Thanks! Duppers Mar 2015 #192

+1 -- on all aspects of your post. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #181

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #168

The Republican candidate would... Mike Nelson Mar 2015 #172

Will Pitt - you are ALWAYS divisive MaggieD Mar 2015 #174

Hillary Clinton is not "my people" WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #185

Let's be clear then MaggieD Mar 2015 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #240

No - it reads mostly of repub talking points MaggieD Mar 2015 #247

But, would you buy a used car from her? Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #248

I wouldn't buy a used car from ANY politician MaggieD Mar 2015 #273

+1 Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #207

It WASN'T the law when she was Sec State MaggieD Mar 2015 #176

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Mar 2015 #183

k&R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #187

And while you are wrestling the party back from the abyss, what happens to the Women randys1 Mar 2015 #188

Coming to bat... NotHardly Mar 2015 #196

Always ready to believe the worst. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #202

Sad, What? She's having a GREAT evening however. Anxious to hear her speak at the Emilys List Honor misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #206

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #215

So yo Clinton had a bad day? William Pitt has forced me to think about who Jeb Bush will name to Sarcastica Mar 2015 #223

oy vey. Not that shit again. 840high Mar 2015 #227

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Mar 2015 #230

How dare you defy the will of the pragmatic centrists! L0oniX Mar 2015 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Mar 2015 #235

Except that the law did not apply until after she left office eridani Mar 2015 #244

You're correct. She did the same as Colin Powell. wolfie001 Mar 2015 #283

Jesus, Pitt. You're ahead of the news cycle again. Beausoir Mar 2015 #245

TRUTH. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #250

She's not a control freak, Will - she's merely a control enthusiast! bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #251

Shorter OP "Benghazi!" geek tragedy Mar 2015 #254

The resultant ass covering scramble from the custodial team whereisjustice Mar 2015 #264

197 people give her good friends a sadz. You think they take applications at the State department? Rex Mar 2015 #266

You ARE being divisive. MADem Mar 2015 #267

I agree DesertDiamond Mar 2015 #271

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Mar 2015 #274

Sure makes one wonder why the NYT went with a story knowing it wasn't Historic NY Mar 2015 #276

Spot on! Bravo WilliamPitt! n/t Buenaventura Mar 2015 #277

"I'm very sorry Hillary Clinton has a sad today" amuse bouche Mar 2015 #280

K&R. In 2016 a lot of DUers will have to go to polls mylye2222 Mar 2015 #286

K & R Owl Mar 2015 #292

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #296

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #297