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215. Does no one in the media remember what happened in 2007?

Reply to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:37 PM

Mar 2015

Hillary is a piker compared to Rove and others in the Bush Jr whitehouse who funneled millions of emails illegally through an RNC-hosted server in 2007.

From Wikipedia: "Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted."

I'm no fan of Hillary, and I understand that what happened under Bush Jr doesn't justify any violation of statutes she might have committed, but before the outrage machine shifts into an even higher gear, it might help to remind our short attention span country that many of the same people outraged by Hillary's actions were neck-deep in a much more serious abuse, back then.

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I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email. [View all] Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 OP

K&R. Good post nt riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #1

And the National Archivist testified in 2013 that it was legal to use private email accounts. pnwmom Mar 2015 #227

what mail server does the department use- snooper2 Mar 2015 #2

No idea, sorry (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #3

Well, looks like it is outsourced and I'm sure they WAY overfuckingspent snooper2 Mar 2015 #13

All of USG uses Exchange except a few tech shops Recursion Mar 2015 #256

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #250

This OP is a year old. Fascinating wrong-headed and uninformed arguments defending her. Still are. leveymg Apr 2016 #282

Easy to find out Aerows Mar 2015 #114

Maybe still on CCMail LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #204

I think that Hillary is very tech savvy. But the rest of your points are Autumn Mar 2015 #4

why would you think she is tech savy snooper2 Mar 2015 #15

So what. I haven't driven since 2010. And she has staffers so why should she drive Autumn Mar 2015 #23

sure LOL snooper2 Mar 2015 #33

Whatever. Autumn Mar 2015 #35

She was tech savvy enough to know that the official email was a public record leveymg Mar 2015 #151

I think you work for the government you don't use your personal email Autumn Mar 2015 #154

The General just pleaded to Unlawful Retention and Use. Fine no jail. leveymg Mar 2015 #179

That does it! Caretha Mar 2015 #238

What? You want to put the chauffeur out of a job??? Autumn Mar 2015 #239

So not worried about the chauffeur Caretha Mar 2015 #241

Caretha, as long as you and I see the same thing, I know I'm seeing the right thing Autumn Mar 2015 #242

as a former first lady... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #234

I would listen to the op - there is nothing in her background that suggests that she karynnj Mar 2015 #66

+ 100 n/t MBS Mar 2015 #112

Are you saying that one has to be on the leading edge of technology to do email? Autumn Mar 2015 #191

of course not - I was responding to her being labeled very tech saavy karynnj Mar 2015 #199

I think it was deliberate to NEVER have an email roguevalley Mar 2015 #178

I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for this. The bad system excuse is all horse shit Autumn Mar 2015 #182

thank you, autumn. Hugs roguevalley Mar 2015 #186

It's all BS excuses. Hillary emails from her phone, she used a personal account to do so. Autumn Mar 2015 #193

Thank You. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #5

"Not especially competent demon spawn from hell" Fumesucker Mar 2015 #6

Not good - as they were the people she chose karynnj Mar 2015 #17

Are those our only choices? Chellee Mar 2015 #180

Sounds like her former campaign team... 2nd verse same as the 1st; I wonder. procon Mar 2015 #158

Sounds like an inspiringly perfect fit for leading in the 21st century TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #7

Honestly, it's not much different at DoD either. brendan120678 Mar 2015 #8

I'm involved in some projects with the Air Force... Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #31

She also famously stated that she Aerows Mar 2015 #9

Most rich folks lead pretty insulated lives... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #14

Same bullshit Aerows Mar 2015 #19

It was posted elsewhere that this became law in November 2014, when Barack signed it into law. DebJ Mar 2015 #29

Excuse me? Aerows Mar 2015 #34

Not the archiving. The specification that only government email systems could be used. DebJ Mar 2015 #38

I am uniquely qualified Aerows Mar 2015 #46

Hillary archived her email. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #107

And some of those emails were probably to Chelsea.... n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #120

OMG Aerows Mar 2015 #109

No one is championing it... Agschmid Mar 2015 #117

check my email reply to other posts, agschmid roguevalley Mar 2015 #188

If you can PM me the link to that post. Agschmid Mar 2015 #189

The risk of compromise of national security would depend upon the information DebJ Mar 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #128

I'm done Aerows Mar 2015 #147

No Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #129

Yes, Hillary deleted emails. frylock Apr 2016 #274

FYI this thread is a year old. DesMoinesDem Apr 2016 #278

Someone kicked it back to the top. frylock Apr 2016 #280

Wait, now you're worried about "national security" being "compromised"? Is that really you, Aerows? SunSeeker Mar 2015 #217

Ka-BOOM! Number23 Mar 2015 #220

.. Cha Mar 2015 #236

That calls for a bit of this: Number23 Mar 2015 #243

Perfect. Another hypocrite busted. Mahalo SunSeeker Cha Mar 2015 #235

Aerows, my response began "Not the archiving". ???? n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #102

thank you aerows. I know that too. roguevalley Mar 2015 #185

Most professionals Aerows Mar 2015 #192

Well, we're not dealing with most professionals here. frylock Apr 2016 #275

Seems like they were archived considering they turned over 55,000. Agschmid Mar 2015 #49

It seems Aerows Mar 2015 #52

Please tell me where there is a link saying some were "missing".. Agschmid Mar 2015 #57

Well, there were no emails about the wedding flowers. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #229

Clinton Hacker Extradited to U.S. frylock Apr 2016 #277

Actually, the accusation is that she was using an email other than a government email, period. DebJ Mar 2015 #116

The 55,000 may not have come from Clinton's account. former9thward Mar 2015 #71

Here you go riversedge Mar 2015 #58

And Aerows Mar 2015 #62

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how they were not archived... Agschmid Mar 2015 #76

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer Aerows Mar 2015 #84

You really have no idea why Hillary used outside email. kwassa Mar 2015 #100

It's not trivial Aerows Mar 2015 #103

Aerows, please quote the law that she was in violation of; the requirements of that law, DebJ Mar 2015 #108

They will deflect to the archive issue... Agschmid Mar 2015 #111

She wasn't breaking the law because the law is recent. kwassa Mar 2015 #118

Not for the Secretary of State to determine for herself. That's why there is a secure gov't system leveymg Mar 2015 #152

The OP discusses the inadequacies of this system. kwassa Mar 2015 #155

Do you really think that's the reason she never used it? leveymg Mar 2015 #183

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #251

This is a matter of point-blank common sense. RiverNoord Mar 2015 #150

Trivial things, like circumventing FOIA requests. frylock Apr 2016 #279

So she turned over 55,000 emails. Calista241 Mar 2015 #273

2013 - and michael schmidt forget to mention the rule didn't exist in 2013 in his NYT article WashingtonConsensus Mar 2015 #69

...^ that 840high Mar 2015 #81

It drives me nuts. Aerows Mar 2015 #132

No Aerows. I have no firm feelings on Hillary myself. I am just asking for the specific DebJ Mar 2015 #141

I always laugh at that story. Thanks. kairos12 Mar 2015 #41

The Secret Service probably prevented her from driving. n/t rickford66 Mar 2015 #16

Bullshit Aerows Mar 2015 #30

Name an ex-president or first lady that drives on public roads. rickford66 Mar 2015 #60

You are welcome Aerows Mar 2015 #63

And you are welcome to your opinions which don't agree with facts. n/t rickford66 Mar 2015 #64

I have Aerows Mar 2015 #70

You called BS on my post about HRC driving. I never commented about her emails. rickford66 Mar 2015 #83

I'm in a thread about email Aerows Mar 2015 #90

Tweet tweet rickford66 Mar 2015 #96

I hope Aerows Mar 2015 #97

I'm streaming the Daily Show, so I am smiling. rickford66 Mar 2015 #115

Aerows, where has anyone said that emails should not be, or were not, archived? DebJ Mar 2015 #131

Why didn't he drive himself? A Simple Game Mar 2015 #105

Read closely. GHWB. Not "W" rickford66 Mar 2015 #161

Sorry my mistake. I would have been right though. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #165

The incident occurred in the mid 90's. rickford66 Mar 2015 #172

And so are all the elite whom we elect. No one is a Pope Francis. n/t DebJ Mar 2015 #133

that is nothing short of assinine I would bet no King of Norway has been assassinated since Viking dsc Mar 2015 #225

I understand her not driving herself for security reasons. But the e mail thing Autumn Mar 2015 #27

It bugged the hell out of me Aerows Mar 2015 #32

Well the driver has to take the Clinton family to play golf with the Bush family BubbaFett Mar 2015 #221

I have absolutely no reason to doubt this. It speaks... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #10

Thank you for this inside opinion karynnj Mar 2015 #11

Yes, vast improvements started halfway through Clinton's tenure Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #18

Thanks for the informative posts! SunSeeker Mar 2015 #99

That's definitely not an endorsement of their IT competence KeepItReal Mar 2015 #12

Speaking as an IT PM with four decades of experience, it is not as quick and easy as you suggest. riqster Mar 2015 #67

We talking email. Email. Not an ERP suite nor building a new network. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #168

Rocket science, no. Simple? Also no. riqster Mar 2015 #175

Never said "quick and easy-peasy". KeepItReal Mar 2015 #201

Read the articles. They say: riqster Mar 2015 #210

Please cite the article you are referring to that says State email was unworkable KeepItReal Mar 2015 #216

I should have said "read the OP". riqster Mar 2015 #219

40 years here also and much easier that you propose! nt Logical Mar 2015 #208

Really? Please explain. riqster Mar 2015 #211

But it was okay for Hillary to hire someone not vetted by State Dept. to set up and run her server? All in it together Apr 2016 #285

Why is the federal government so bad at technology for its own offices? alarimer Mar 2015 #20

We're always told it's about security (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #25

It's more about stability than security Recursion Mar 2015 #233

Well-put (nt) Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #237

For the same reason our military is much more heavily armed than our mall cops. jeff47 Mar 2015 #43

Perhaps the highly technically competent and science competent goons in Congress DebJ Mar 2015 #137

Money treestar Mar 2015 #181

I'd say two things are at fault... Adrahil Mar 2015 #254

I'm a front-end web developer IRL justiceischeap Mar 2015 #266

Question chalmers Mar 2015 #21

Nope! LOL Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #24

Thanks for your perspective. BlueMTexpat Mar 2015 #26

Good post. Skinner Mar 2015 #28

Very interesting comments about her staff. I wonder how much of this explains bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #36

I'm sorry, I can't quite make heads or tails of your post without vitriol and doom and gloom. randome Mar 2015 #37

Here's what I don't get. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #121

K&R! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #40

If I was President or Secretary of State I wouldn't use email at all. hunter Mar 2015 #42

"State rank-and-file, who are overwhelmingly liberal Dems" - way off topic, but I KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #44

State is full of liberal Democrats and Mormons Recursion Mar 2015 #262

Things are not always what they appear to be. yallerdawg Mar 2015 #45

Interesting that technology improvements were made under Clinton's tenure. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #47

Those that make the rules should follow them..... burfman Mar 2015 #48

What rule would that be? She was under no obligation to use only public email. randome Mar 2015 #51

It's perhaps a little like trusting Nixon to give us a complete transcript of his tapes.... burfman Mar 2015 #59

There was another post about the term 'regular federal employee'. randome Mar 2015 #68

Bullshit Android3.14 Mar 2015 #50

... riversedge Mar 2015 #56

Unacceptable response Android3.14 Mar 2015 #61

That response explains to you that she was following the law. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #75

Your response has no weight Android3.14 Mar 2015 #85

they were preserved and handed over. 55,000 of them. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #92

The RW hate maching is having a hay day riversedge Mar 2015 #124

Humpty, meet Dumpty Android3.14 Mar 2015 #134

I try not to listen to fox news talking points. riversedge Mar 2015 #139

Insults are a poor response to a real credibility issue Android3.14 Mar 2015 #145

We can hope. Android3.14 Mar 2015 #125

How do you turn over 50,000+ emails if you didn't preserve them? Agschmid Mar 2015 #176

And sinceshe'salready released the emails ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #167

Some well know corporations doing DOD work have terrible IT systems. rickford66 Mar 2015 #53

That's a scandal in itself. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #54

I don't mean to be dismissive or stereotype, but a person in their late 60's who isn't confident Sarcastica Mar 2015 #55

With all due respect, this post is hearsay. I could say I worked at State and you're wrong. arcane1 Mar 2015 #65

This post is direct testimony. Hearsay is if you report it to someone else. kwassa Mar 2015 #73

correct nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #74

You're right. I meant to say there is no evidence in the OP to supports its claims. arcane1 Mar 2015 #98

You either accept the OP's truthfulness or you don't. kwassa Mar 2015 #104

I can neither believe nor disbelieve, that was my point. Not enough data to make that call. arcane1 Mar 2015 #110

I can add some real hearsay to his first-hand report Lefta Dissenter Mar 2015 #244

Tell me if you'd make the same points if she was a Republican. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #72

That would just make him a partisan, not dishonest wyldwolf Mar 2015 #78

Actually there is a word that starts with H. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #79

well why not enlighten us? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #86

When you profess to have values that you don't really have Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #89

He's not making an apology wyldwolf Mar 2015 #91

Then I will avidly wait for a similar defense of Bush/Cheney. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #93

Be my guest. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #94

No, we wouldn't treestar Mar 2015 #184

I see. Ethics, rules, and laws are for the other guys to observe. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #207

No, we just think it less likely our side is not going to do the wrong thing treestar Mar 2015 #222

It's fun to pretend we know what another person would say in another situation. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #205

Hillary is a lawyer Aerows Mar 2015 #77

.... 840high Mar 2015 #88

Assuming, of course, that there is any truth to the OP in the first place n/t arcane1 Mar 2015 #101

That's twice now that you've implied that I'm a liar Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #130

I implied no such thing. I'm simply saying it's an anonymous post w/no evidence. arcane1 Mar 2015 #142

That's a creative allegation. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #206

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #252

I don't think Hanlon's razor can be applied to people in positions like SoS. Marr Mar 2015 #80

It can be applied to other people that work there. kwassa Mar 2015 #123

You want to blame the people who work in IT at State Marr Mar 2015 #136

If IT can't provide a robust email systems to support the neccessities of the work .. kwassa Mar 2015 #146

Would you have so easily accepted this excuse from the Bush Administration? /nt Marr Mar 2015 #163

Sure. I wasn't surprised by their email behavior. kwassa Mar 2015 #194

The questiion that comes to me though is were you outraged at Cheney's lies at the time? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #230

I was outraged at the time. They were obvious. kwassa Mar 2015 #232

A friend who worked at the White House has similar tales. kwassa Mar 2015 #87

That's not an email problem. Marr Mar 2015 #138

There were multiple problems. This was just one of them. kwassa Mar 2015 #144

Thanks, this is interesting. herding cats Mar 2015 #95

Gmail is likely more secure than government managed email anyway. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #106

Thank you for this. SheilaT Mar 2015 #113

Thanks, and a very good one: elleng Mar 2015 #119

Interesting. VERY interesting. I didn't realize I had so much in common with Hillary Clinton. calimary Mar 2015 #122

Great post, good insights. nt greatlaurel Mar 2015 #171

I'm not exactly a Luddite, but I am extremely slow to adapt to technological changes. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #196

She was the one in charge! The big boss! Fix it. hugo_from_TN Mar 2015 #247

With all due respect - I am not seeking a mid-level corporate job. calimary Mar 2015 #260

Well, I am glad that the bid Speech is also going on to take... riversedge Mar 2015 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #135

Very useful information. As long as the gov archived her emails this shouldn't be much of a problem. Kablooie Mar 2015 #140

Thanks for that internal view. juajen Mar 2015 #143

Relevance? Reportedly, she never used the approved email system, not just on trips or remotely. leveymg Mar 2015 #148

I was explaining why Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #156

Republican Select committee on Bengazi just announced hearings on this issue.. riversedge Mar 2015 #149

since the GOP is not interested in actual governance guillaumeb Mar 2015 #157

I also worked for the Federal Government for 37 years. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #153

thanks for contributing your personal experience in this area. kwassa Mar 2015 #195

Thank you very much for this, PPS. KnR Hekate Mar 2015 #159

She knew enough to register - or have registered - her own personal email domain so Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #160

Amazing how quickly/will ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #162

In case you haven't seen my newest pic: freshwest Mar 2015 #272

Thanks for a thoughtful, non-reactionary post. nolabear Mar 2015 #164

If for nothing else, thank you for introducing me to Hanlon's Razor. tclambert Mar 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #169

Oh the Horror of it,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #170

I thought she was with the group bringing: ''Change We Can Believe In?'' DeSwiss Mar 2015 #173

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K&R treestar Mar 2015 #177

Beware your postings on a political commentary site PPS benld74 Mar 2015 #187

Having attempted to work with Department of Rehabilitation computers daredtowork Mar 2015 #190

So what's Jeb's excuse? KamaAina Mar 2015 #197

I just have one question: Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198

Sorry, I don't see how any of your "state dept. email sucks" gripes have a bearing TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #200

Thanks. I think this is a bogus issue, but one the Republicans will use to defeat her bid JDPriestly Mar 2015 #202

Daily Beast proves story is not accutrate. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #203

Thanks for the links. Very interesting information. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #213

Michael Tomasky reminds us of the NY Times' poor record on facts wyldwolf Mar 2015 #209

Thanks for the information. Very good post. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #214

So the excuse is incompetence and ignorance? cui bono Mar 2015 #212

Does no one in the media remember what happened in 2007? I hate liars Mar 2015 #215

Welcome to DU, I hate liars! calimary Mar 2015 #224

typikal govurnmnt prokurmint. pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #218

So there is no IT team for the SOS? How pathetic. Rex Mar 2015 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #226

k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #231

Except the Clintons are not incompetent when it comes to knowing what the FOIA demands and they hate ARMYofONE Mar 2015 #240

If this is all true, what exactly did Hillary's State Department... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #245

Lots Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #253

You could pay all 50,000 employees $120k and that still leaves $54B... MadDAsHell Mar 2015 #267

Seems like if you were in charge of State you would have busted butt for 4 years fixing that. hugo_from_TN Mar 2015 #246

This! Lars39 Mar 2015 #248

So, two points: Proud Public Servant Mar 2015 #259

. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #249

Are you telling me that LWolf Mar 2015 #255

Absolutely Recursion Mar 2015 #263

Considering the LWolf Mar 2015 #264

The problem is inertia and bureaucracy Recursion Mar 2015 #265

It is incredulous to think that she does not have tech support randr Mar 2015 #257

"State is famously behind the times when it comes to digital technology." mackerel Mar 2015 #258

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #261

retrieving data NSAserver Mar 2015 #268

The first time it was funny, the second not so much. Third time? Bordering on spam. uppityperson Mar 2015 #269

No charm for the third time GP6971 Mar 2015 #270

It was me. My apologies. KMOD Mar 2015 #271

I am curious why you call her staff demon spawns from hell, yet you say the Secty was lovely. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #276

Excellent post! Thank you. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #281

That's all fine, but matt819 Apr 2016 #283

Agree, but... Proud Public Servant Apr 2016 #287

Yeah, well I work for USA Security and we have bunch of prosecutors trying to find some law Clinton Hoyt Apr 2016 #284

Thank you for a very informative post Gothmog Apr 2016 #286