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Jefferson23

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31. No one asked him about their arsenal, did they? Hawks for Israel buy into every lie coming
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:00 PM
Mar 2015

out of Bibi's mouth..they have dangerous ideas. Fear monger and war monger extraordinaire.

Noam Chomsky: Opposing Iran Nuclear Deal, Israel’s Goal Isn’t Survival — It’s Regional Dominance

NOAM CHOMSKY: For both president—Prime Minister Netanyahu and the hawks in Congress, mostly Republican, the primary goal is to undermine any potential negotiation that might settle whatever issue there is with Iran. They have a common interest in ensuring that there is no regional force that can serve as any kind of deterrent to Israeli and U.S. violence, the major violence in the region. And it is—if we believe U.S. intelligence—don’t see any reason not to—their analysis is that if Iran is developing nuclear weapons, which they don’t know, it would be part of their deterrent strategy. Now, their general strategic posture is one of deterrence. They have low military expenditures. According to U.S. intelligence, their strategic doctrine is to try to prevent an attack, up to the point where diplomacy can set in. I don’t think anyone with a grey cell functioning thinks that they would ever conceivably use a nuclear weapon, or even try to. The country would be obliterated in 15 seconds. But they might provide a deterrent of sorts. And the U.S. and Israel certainly don’t want to tolerate that. They are the forces that carry out regular violence and aggression in the region and don’t want any impediment to that.

And for the Republicans in Congress, there’s another interest—namely, to undermine anything that Obama, you know, the entity Christ, might try to do. So that’s a separate issue there. The Republicans stopped being an ordinary parliamentary party some years ago. They were described, I think accurately, by Norman Ornstein, the very respected conservative political analyst, American Enterprise Institute; he said the party has become a radical insurgency which has abandoned any commitment to parliamentary democracy. And their goal for the last years has simply been to undermine anything that Obama might do, in an effort to regain power and serve their primary constituency, which is the very wealthy and the corporate sector. They try to conceal this with all sorts of other means. In doing so, they’ve had to—you can’t get votes that way, so they’ve had to mobilize sectors of the population which have always been there but were never mobilized into an organized political force: evangelical Christians, extreme nationalists, terrified people who have to carry guns into Starbucks because somebody might be after them, and so on and so forth. That’s a big force. And inspiring fear is not very difficult in the United States. It’s a long history, back to colonial times, of—as an extremely frightened society, which is an interesting story in itself. And mobilizing people in fear of them, whoever "them" happens to be, is an effective technique used over and over again. And right now, the Republicans have—their nonpolicy has succeeded in putting them back in a position of at least congressional power. So, the attack on—this is a personal attack on Obama, and intended that way, is simply part of that general effort. But there is a common strategic concern underlying it, I think, and that is pretty much what U.S. intelligence analyzes: preventing any deterrent in the region to U.S. and Israeli actions.

AARON MATÉ: You say that nobody with a grey cell thinks that Iran would launch a strike, were it to have nuclear weapons, but yet Netanyahu repeatedly accuses Iran of planning a new genocide against the Jewish people. He said this most recently on Holocaust Remembrance Day in January, saying that the ayatollahs are planning a new holocaust against us. And that’s an argument that’s taken seriously here.

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s taken seriously by people who don’t stop to think for a minute. But again, Iran is under extremely close surveillance. U.S. satellite surveillance knows everything that’s going on in Iran. If Iran even began to load a missile—that is, to bring a missile near a weapon—the country would probably be wiped out. And whatever you think about the clerics, the Guardian Council and so on, there’s no indication that they’re suicidal.


in full: http://www.democracynow.org/2015/3/2/noam_chomsky_opposing_iran_nuclear_deal


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Is Israel included in the negotiations? 2naSalit Mar 2015 #1
Iran does not recognize Israel as a state. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #2
And that has 2naSalit Mar 2015 #3
You were playing it up as if the sole reason Israel is not included is because of Netanyahu. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #4
I was not "playing" anything "up" 2naSalit Mar 2015 #5
The problem with Iran isn't Netanyahu, it's the Iranian dictatorship. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #7
When is the last time Iran launched an offensive war? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #8
Thanks Cali 2naSalit Mar 2015 #9
Your defense of an anti-semitic, homophobic, terrorist dictatorship is nauseating. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #11
Iran hasn't launched an offensive war since 1775 Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #13
"Israel, on the other hand, launched an offensive against Gaza in 2014." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #20
You lap up conservative propaganda like a good little puppy Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #21
You don't really have anything to say except ad hominems and insults Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #22
Your conservative talking points are stale and tiresome Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #25
"I ain't buying." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #28
Start your own war with Iran. Also, please credit the PNAC when using geek tragedy Mar 2015 #24
So I'm guessing that the leftynyc Mar 2015 #12
The ultimate solution will be for Israel to give up their nukes and join the NPT Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #15
Actually you were leftynyc Mar 2015 #19
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #27
More likely is that the negotiations are between the P5 +1 and Iran karynnj Mar 2015 #33
Bibi hurt Israel today. Octafish Mar 2015 #6
And three guesses as to who gets to 2naSalit Mar 2015 #10
Bibi said he knows what's in the deal: "You can Google it" he said to Congress! KoKo Mar 2015 #14
LOL Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #16
Yes...here's the video if you can deal with watching.. KoKo Mar 2015 #18
Salon just posted Quote on Bibi's telling Congress to "Google" the Iran Deal KoKo Mar 2015 #17
Great quote - especially the line below the one you bolded karynnj Mar 2015 #26
Israel is not in the negotiations and as long as there are at least enough Democrats on karynnj Mar 2015 #23
Overiding a veto? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #29
A veto of legislation that is pushed by AIPAC to give Congress a vote on the agreement karynnj Mar 2015 #34
Ah got it, thanks SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #35
Israel doesn't have a clue about what is being discussed? former9thward Mar 2015 #30
No one asked him about their arsenal, did they? Hawks for Israel buy into every lie coming Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #31
How can a deal be "ineffective"? philosslayer Mar 2015 #32
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