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202. you mention torture prosecutions

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:06 PM

Mar 2015

and I am yawning about that myself.

No doubt that is some sort of High Moral Principle, but it is simply NOT one of my top concerns.

Also, I kinda wonder why Lynddie England does not count since she was sent to prison for a spell.

I would also wonder how many voters, of any stripe, have torture prosecutions as one of their TOP concerns.

But to say that both parties ARE the same, sweeps away a whole bunch of differences. To list a few examples

Roberts and Alito vs. Kagan and Sotomayor
expansion of SCHIP
Lilly ledbetter fair pay act
Matthew Shepherd act
increase in the minimum wage

Those would seem to be at least SOME differences.

But I think the OP has missed the point of those people who feel like - not ALL enemies of the people are on the other side of the aisle. Some of them are in OUR party.

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We are Democrats - All of Us [View all] NanceGreggs Mar 2015 OP

How about those of us dismissed as liberals. Centrists have labeled themselves that way. madfloridian Mar 2015 #1

Care to provide any links ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #9

Thank you, Nance. the dividers aren't helping anything. I've seen it with Senator Warren and Cha Mar 2015 #2

And anyone who speaks out on policy is considered a "divider". madfloridian Mar 2015 #8

Yes, because that's exactly what I said ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #44

Sorry but I can't agree. If you're a conservative Democrat you may as well be a Republican. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #3

Thanks for making my point. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #6

Same as whoever appointed you, I guess. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #28

The Democratic Party ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #34

I'm well aware of it. Doesn't change my opinion that a conservative Democrat may as well be a Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #36

Well, according to you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #47

Yup. Each party's positions are pretty clearly spelled out. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #49

Yes, they are ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #54

What I pay attention to is how individual elected Democrats vote. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #65

That's right, Nance. It's an old voter repression technique Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #88

Ever notice how many self-identified "pragmatic/serious Democrats" here OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #99

Again ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #102

I believe in principles, not parties. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #107

There is nothing "principled" ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #109

Are you claiming to know how I voted? OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #110

Yeah, I claimed to know how you voted. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #111

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #113

I said ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #117

Not as big a stretch OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #122

Not getting into that argument again ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #127

Arithmetic, not English. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #129

Kiriakou didn't whistle blow. ....he defended water boarding. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #103

you mention torture prosecutions hfojvt Mar 2015 #202

Says the person who joined 5 1/2 days ago Hekate Mar 2015 #198

As a long time voter of over 40 years who has been following politics since I was 15 Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #203

5 1/2 days? Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #211

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Mar 2015 #62

It's called a difference of Opinion Joe Turner Mar 2015 #90

Do you recognize the difference between ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #94

Big Plus 1!!! RiverLover Mar 2015 #14

Thanks! Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #29

Welcome back! zappaman Mar 2015 #32

. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #83

whoopsie Hekate Mar 2015 #199

yep. Phlem Mar 2015 #72

Yeah, right--so when we need one more vote to get us the law we need, we tell that MADem Mar 2015 #136

people like Manchin usually vote with the other Democrats steve2470 Mar 2015 #140

Conservative Dems count as Dems in determining which party controls the Senate or House, amandabeech Mar 2015 #219

Hi Shellanagig... I was going to respond that I agree with the OP about .01% of the time ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #157

Hi ScreamingMeemie and thank you for saying that. Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #185

Parliamentary democracy demands it Cary Mar 2015 #4

Hey Cary.. Aloha! Cha Mar 2015 #10

Hey Cha Cary Mar 2015 #151

Nah, we just had our own kind of rain.. we're good. Cha Mar 2015 #153

Maybe because it works rpannier Mar 2015 #61

Yes, they seem to do quite well, and once they have power mountain grammy Mar 2015 #85

I used to think they'd implode, but they still keep going rpannier Mar 2015 #104

Poor Democrats. There we were in the 60's and 70's mountain grammy Mar 2015 #162

Nonsense Cary Mar 2015 #173

Our message isn't our problem Cary Mar 2015 #152

The other "discipline" they have, that we don't have, is... Cary Mar 2015 #172

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #5

Reading between the lines here - LiberalElite Mar 2015 #7

And another one weighs in ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #11

Another what, Nance? Another liberal? madfloridian Mar 2015 #16

No, another poster ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #19

Disagree very much. Most do not dismiss those who disagree. We ask to be respected. madfloridian Mar 2015 #22

Who is "we"? n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #35

Think about it. madfloridian Mar 2015 #38

I asked a question ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #48

Nance, you know the answers to all your questions. madfloridian Mar 2015 #53

That's a very nice non-answer. n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #55

A good lawyer never asks a question they don't already know the answer to Fumesucker Mar 2015 #57

I'm not a lawyer ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #63

The problem with having only two political parties is it shoves a lot of disparate views together Fumesucker Mar 2015 #67

A two-party system is what we have ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #68

The Democrats *are* divided, it can't be any other way.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #71

This thread is super sad and super telling. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #156

And this is not divisive? Change has come Mar 2015 #21

Oh, my, yes ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #40

Sorry, your "reading between the lines" lacks comprehension. Nance means exactly what she wrote. Cha Mar 2015 #12

and for clarification Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #89

Exactly, Capn Sunshine~ Cha Mar 2015 #91

:) Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #112

Well said.. it's obvious.. bugging me way before Nance wrote the OP. Cha Mar 2015 #116

www.thirdway.org WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #190

Exactly. We're all equal, except some are more equal than others :) whereisjustice Mar 2015 #95

What you just said is that anyone who doesn't see things YOUR way is a MADem Mar 2015 #137

No. That's not what I said LiberalElite Mar 2015 #141

I am "far left" these days because I'm an FDR Dem & believe in living wage & regulated industry... RiverLover Mar 2015 #13

Congratulations!!! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #17

+1... one_voice Mar 2015 #25

The media and "centrists" consider my beliefs far left and it used to be mainstream Dem RiverLover Mar 2015 #27

Well Stated WiffenPoof Mar 2015 #30

..... madfloridian Mar 2015 #39

Funny that. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #42

So ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #51

Yep fredamae Mar 2015 #52

Absolutely. 99Forever Mar 2015 #145

BEAUTIFUL. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #159

Spot on! MissDeeds Mar 2015 #161

Well said. You should post that as an OP Autumn Mar 2015 #163

Brava! marym625 Mar 2015 #214

K & R, well said, it is a sad day when there is an attempt to intimidate someone for not agreeing Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #15

You are doing PRECISELY what you are accusing others of doing tkmorris Mar 2015 #18

How so? n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #23

Well, you are dividing the party. jeff47 Mar 2015 #43

Where did I say anything ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #60

This thread... wow. Number23 Mar 2015 #130

It's heavily implied by who you are attacking. jeff47 Mar 2015 #167

This has nothing to do with Hillary ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #183

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Mar 2015 #77

You're blurring together policy and tactics. And you're wrong on both. DanTex Mar 2015 #158

Tactics are how you get to implement policy. jeff47 Mar 2015 #170

I agree. Further reason why the anti-Hillary stuff is so dumb. DanTex Mar 2015 #176

To add one more thing. Since you agree that tactics are important, then surely DanTex Mar 2015 #179

Excellent Op, Nance. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #20

You would think stopping the Rethugs ftom taking over this country.. DCBob Mar 2015 #24

Too many elected Dems voted with the GOP instead of trying to stop them. madfloridian Mar 2015 #64

And then there were those New Jersey "Dems" Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #131

Blue Dogs have their challenges but that's a separate issue. DCBob Mar 2015 #142

No, it isn't. It is the issue. jeff47 Mar 2015 #171

Not the issue I was referring to.. but regarding blue dogs dragging us to the right... DCBob Mar 2015 #200

Only if we continue with politics as usual. jeff47 Mar 2015 #215

I would love to believe that but.. DCBob Mar 2015 #217

Yeah, that's why liberal referenda pass and conservative ones fail everywhere. jeff47 Mar 2015 #238

Yeah like coal regulations in West Virginia. DCBob Mar 2015 #239

mostly agree bigtree Mar 2015 #26

Thank you ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #31

We are a big tent here. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #33

K&R. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #37

Pfft. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #41

Marta and I are in! Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #45

I don't think Leiberman or Zell Miller were ever democrats. langstonhues Mar 2015 #46

Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Mar 2015 #56

Joebituary supported McCain against Obama. langstonhues Mar 2015 #66

oh come now, all part of the 'big tent' we're supposed to glorify. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #133

Well. You've outdone yourself. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #50

Can you please elaborate on the far leftists? I have never met a far leftist Democrat Dragonfli Mar 2015 #58

I think the self-identified ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #78

Who might they be? I have seen many pre-Will Marshall Democrats labeled as such Dragonfli Mar 2015 #93

Who you have met ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #98

You claim to have knowledge in your OP of far leftists within the party Dragonfli Mar 2015 #105

Oh, fer fuck's sake ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #108

Again, Democrats here are not identifying as far left, they are being identified as such Dragonfli Mar 2015 #115

I pointed you to ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #119

I am not far left, I am a Liberal. But I am stalked and called a "left leaning independent" by Autumn Mar 2015 #165

United, we stand....divided, we fall. Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #59

Now that it's settled, I can't wait for conservative Democrats to welcome liberals back into the whereisjustice Mar 2015 #69

My OP was about how we're NOT all the same ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #70

Both parties are controlled by conservatives whereisjustice Mar 2015 #81

We are Cells - All of Us OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #73

Well, Dr. OnyxCollie ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #82

Let's let the voters decide. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #84

Some mets WERE removed! I would like to give the voters the ability to begin surgery on the primary Dragonfli Mar 2015 #97

I've voted straight Dem ticket LittleGirl Mar 2015 #74

How can you be fiscally conservative but far left on most issues? Economics is the lion's share of TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #184

Sorry but some of us are not going to get all kumbaya with the 1% to win elections. L0oniX Mar 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author DocMac Mar 2015 #76

Who asked you to apologize ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #87

I am Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #79

So if I tell someone that the Democratic Party doesn't stand for what it used to stand for, Vattel Mar 2015 #80

Nance I respect you DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #86

I haven't seen anyone here ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #92

Let's keep moving further right. That way the tent can get bigger and bigger!!! n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #96

Let's keep saying ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #100

oh jeese Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #101

+100! soon the republicans will disappear altogether!! we'll BE them!! what a clever strategy! ND-Dem Mar 2015 #134

interesting considering I was told I was part of the problem marym625 Mar 2015 #106

what was the question again? Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #114

Huh? n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #120

You recently wrote a post that was satire. marym625 Mar 2015 #143

Again, no response marym625 Mar 2015 #220

The fact that you think this OP ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #222

Yeah, nice excuse, Nance marym625 Mar 2015 #225

by the way marym625 Mar 2015 #227

More than 50% of the people on this thread are here for the argument? TerrapinFlyer Mar 2015 #118

Yes, they are. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #121

No, they aren't. TerrapinFlyer Mar 2015 #123

Yes, they are. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #124

No they aren't. TerrapinFlyer Mar 2015 #126

Self-inflicted wounds are a DU trademark. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #125

Only reason I click on her OP's Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #148

Perfect!!! JoePhilly Mar 2015 #178

Sad when an Democratic Solidarity Post gets so few recs. Must be a lot of McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #128

"The Democratic Party stands for what it has always stood for"? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #132

Me too!!! MADem Mar 2015 #135

"If you�ve been labelled a Third Wayer, a ConservaDem, a DINO ..." Scuba Mar 2015 #138

I have never called anyone a "leftie loonie". NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #207

"The Democratic Party stands for what it has always stood for" eridani Mar 2015 #139

<crickets> n/t eridani Mar 2015 #221

Bravo! I can't add anything to this but I'll quote The Magistrate wyldwolf Mar 2015 #144

Kick & highly recommended. William769 Mar 2015 #146

If "Our common goals'... catnhatnh Mar 2015 #147

I agree. Everyone is a different kind of Democrat. bigwillq Mar 2015 #149

Thanks! Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #150

We are all Democrats...so, when we get angry at seeing our party throw away ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #154

Great post. RiverLover Mar 2015 #244

No, it is not our common goal enrich the wealthy at the expense of workers. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #155

Awesome, Outstanding post!!!!! RiverLover Mar 2015 #160

+1000000 MissDeeds Mar 2015 #164

Now here is another reply that should be a stand alone OP Autumn Mar 2015 #166

Yes to this. HughBeaumont Mar 2015 #168

Should be an OP, if not a college course. Octafish Mar 2015 #181

Well, here is the OP. The course will take longer and thanks TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #186

No whitewash and 'look forward' and cover for torturing, murdering, destroying criminals. Octafish Mar 2015 #189

Geez, *another* member of the Itty Bitty Hissyfit Committee. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #194

Good God in Heaven, how did I miss that? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #240

Yeah, that's definitely one of DU's banner threads. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #241

Great Post!!! One of the 99 Mar 2015 #169

We can all get along together if we shut the hell up and think the way Nance says to think. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #174

I'm gonna need a lot more Beausoir Mar 2015 #175

I like the way you think. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #180

What Nance thinks ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #188

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #216

+100 JoePhilly Mar 2015 #177

As always, an excellent post, Nance, but lost on those who can't see the bigger picture BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #182

As Chairman Mao once put it, "The people must speak freely and the reactionaries must be silenced." Douglas Carpenter Mar 2015 #187

vapid Vattel Mar 2015 #191

The attacks on this thread are ridiculous. zappaman Mar 2015 #192

Yet it seems to be the Third Way/DINOs, etc. daredtowork Mar 2015 #193

Things slow over at Democrats for Progress? SMC22307 Mar 2015 #195

Thanks for serving up a straw man so promptly. nt Hekate Mar 2015 #196

"Economic Populism Is a Dead End for Democrats" SMC22307 Mar 2015 #201

Actually, no, they're not. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #205

I think Third Wayers are getting old & tiresome~ RiverLover Mar 2015 #206

I think that calling anyone who disagrees with you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #209

Just in time, *fresh* ideas from the New Democrat Coalition! WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #213

It's really good to have you back, Nance. So many posters are jumping right in to prove your point! Hekate Mar 2015 #197

Thanks, Hekate ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #204

When did "firebagger," "emoprog," "emotarian," poutragers"... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #212

! nt grasswire Mar 2015 #228

+1 Marr Mar 2015 #235

Very well done. Rex Mar 2015 #208

And I thank you for saying so. n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #210

Nance, you have good intentions but you are sadly mistaken. Martin Eden Mar 2015 #218

The OP was not abut Hillary ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #223

I quoted you directly about "divide and conquer" Martin Eden Mar 2015 #237

Think about it. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #242

Thank you for that long and thoughtful post Martin Eden Mar 2015 #243

And now it is my turn ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #246

Bra-Fucking-Vo! Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #245

You should be directing this at Hillary fans and other "moderates". Marr Mar 2015 #224

And here we go again, folks. NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #226

You're comparing a few posts on DU to actual elections. Marr Mar 2015 #230

Yeah, okay. Whatever. n/t NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #231

It's true. No one says "Centrists" aren't welcome to vote Democratic. Marr Mar 2015 #233

Self-desecribed moderates BainsBane Mar 2015 #234

Moderates would rather have a Republican president than compromise with liberals eom whereisjustice Mar 2015 #229

Yep-- and it's not surprising. They are, by definition, barely Democrats. Marr Mar 2015 #232

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