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In reply to the discussion: A challenge to all GMO supporters. [View all]gcomeau
(5,764 posts)165. Sigh...
Not all GMO foods are safe. Many never leave the lab for that reason.
Oh, you mean they're tested. And the tests are effective at determining which are safe and which are not.
Which leaves one wondering WTF the point of the OP was.
As for your quotes, if you want an honest debate try linking source material. Assuming of course you have READ the source material instead of just grabbing a list of out of context quotes off some website somewhere.
Your BMA quote comes from this document:
http://www.argenbio.org/adc/uploads/pdf/bma.pdf
Note number one: It is ten years old.
Note number two: This is the actual CONCLUSION reached in that statement. You know, the actual stance of the BMA:
"The Royal Society review (2002)17 concluded that the risks to human health associated with the use of
specific viral DNA sequences in GM plants are negligible, and while calling for caution in the
introduction of potential allergens into food crops, stressed the absence of evidence that commercially
available GM foods cause clinical allergic manifestations. The BMA shares the view that that there is no
robust evidence to prove that GM foods are unsafe but we endorse the call for further research and
surveillance to provide convincing evidence of safety and benefit."
So about the most damning thing you can pull out of the conclusions reached by that ten year old report is that they call for further research, which of course because scientists will always call for further research. And guess what they spent the last 10 years doing? Further research. Which still all said GM foods are fine.
Your American Public Health Association quote is just saying "we think food labels are always a good idea". So the fuck what??? Umm, sure. And? that is not a statement that there is anything unsafe about GMO foods any more than saying inspecting our beef is a good idea is a condemnation of the safety of eating a hamburger.
ENNSER is not a major scientific association, they are a policy lobbying organization. They provide no data to back their statement that there is a lack of consensus they simply declare it.
I can find no source for your Schubert quote.
Your AMA quote is only saying that things people eat should get tested. Shocking! Do you know what they said at the EXACT SAME TIME they said that?
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/21/news/la-heb-gmo-foods-medical-association-20120620
"The 500-ish-word statement, which is not yet up at the medical association's website, says among other things that as of this month, there is no scientific justification for special labeling of bioengineered foods, as a class, and that voluntary labeling is without value unless it is accompanied by focused consumer education.
Your National Academy of Sciences is just saying things should be monitored. Again, DUH. It is ALSO the maintained position of the NAS that GMO foods are safe. they put out an entire book on the subject. it is mostly a giant study on how to properly test and monitor the issue. But it did look at whether any testing to date had uncovered any kind of problems.
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10977/safety-of-genetically-engineered-foods-approaches-to-assessing-unintended-health
Page 8 of the Executive Summary:
"To date, no adverse health effects attributed to genetic engineering have been documented in the human population."
So basically I'm calling bullshit on your "124 other global health organizations claim" also since every single example you provided was bogus.
"want to ask your question in another way?"
No, I think it demonstrated my point rather well on the first try considering what your response to it was.
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Maybe this just seems like a really crummy game and people don't want play it. nt
el_bryanto
Mar 2015
#7
I'm glad you enjoyed - fortunately I don't really care so I don't mind losing. nt
el_bryanto
Mar 2015
#20
Pretty much. That our genes are promiscuous in digestion is an odd idea.
Liberal Veteran
Mar 2015
#10
I asked an honest question, admitted as much and even openly declared my laity.
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#17
You want to have a real exploration of the issue - and then call that exploration a game
el_bryanto
Mar 2015
#50
Can you point to a single study in answer to his question? Don't you think it would be a good idea
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#102
To the contrary, there have been multiple studies of epigenetic effects of nutrition.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#108
The researchers disagree with you. They don't think it's a simple function of fewer calories leading
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#118
I really have zero interest in answering questions with someone who refuses to reciprocate
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#129
Thank you - if you want more info let me know - or tell me it is time to ask my question
SoLeftIAmRight
Mar 2015
#80
Again - Many Thanks - I am going to eat now (GMO corn sad to say) be back soon
SoLeftIAmRight
Mar 2015
#101
I should point out that you are asking another question without having answered the previous one
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#106
Make sure you check out Mike Adam's expose on the mysterious fibers in Chicken McNuggets...
SidDithers
Mar 2015
#220
Coming from the poster who thinks naturalnews is scientifically credible...
SidDithers
Mar 2015
#230
Equating selective breeding with modern genetic engineering is not a valid proposition.
cheapdate
Mar 2015
#233
You ask a good question, since research has shown the epigenetic effects of nutrition.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#103
What make you think GMO would be any different than any other food in this regard?
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#110
It has been modified -- in different ways, depending on the food. Therefore it is not the same.
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#137
No, I don't think that. In fact, I know it's not true because most corn, for example,
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#160
It means that the millions of people who can't afford more expensive organic foods
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#172
It has been modified before but not genetically modified to withstand large doses of pesticides. n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2015
#179
Food was routinely doused in all sorts of pesticides long before GMOs came along
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#180
Thanks for the link, that makes a lot of sense to me. I am ignorant on this topic.
Rex
Mar 2015
#156
It's why I almost never take the time to engage posters like that anymore...
SidDithers
Mar 2015
#195
you have not answered the question - that makes you a loser in this game
SoLeftIAmRight
Mar 2015
#217
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and go with intellectually lazy...nt
SidDithers
Mar 2015
#231
My touchstone on the subject is Dr. Arpad Pusztai (along with his recommended site, GMwatch.org).
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2015
#221
The funny thing is (yes, I gladly "lose") you imagine you're asking a great question. n/t
Silent3
Mar 2015
#186
Rules of your game are unless we follow your rules you can call us losers? Ironic much? nt
uppityperson
Mar 2015
#244
So we are not only losers but Bud drinkers, Walmart shoppers, & my 17 words wasted your time?
uppityperson
Mar 2015
#250