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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:26 AM Mar 2015

Clinton’s E-mail Mess Shows WE NEED A PRIMARY, Not a Coronation [View all]





I am not going to pretend to know enough about National Archives and Records Administration regulations to have a worthwhile opinion about whether Hillary Clinton violated them by relying on a private e-mail address while secretary of state. (Most of the people talking about it on cable TV, or writing their own hot takes, probably don’t either.) Right now, it looks like Clinton went out of her way to keep her correspondence secret when it was supposed to be public. But it’s also true that a lot of Clinton scandals turn out, upon closer inspection, to be bullshit. (See, for example, Benghazi, or Whitewater.) Worse, they tend to be bullshit that serves as a pretext for more bullshit, as each new uproar is said to “feed into the narrative” set in motion by the previous ones.


Yet at a certain point it stops mattering whether coverage of Clinton is as unfair as her defenders say it is. If she‘s going to be the Democratic candidate, part of her job is not to leave herself open to this sort of thing. If she wasn’t actively skirting the law by not using a State Department e-mail address, she was being sloppy. By not keeping her official e-mails separate from her private ones, she gives Republicans a pretext to subpoena them all. At the very least, there’s going to be a drawn-out fight over access to them. Should she be forced to turn them over, her genuinely private e-mails as well as her public ones will be used against her. Imagine what Republicans would be able to do with a trove of private correspondence that Clinton never thought they’d get to see.


The whole mess underscores the immense danger for the Democrats of holding a coronation rather than a primary. Even if the front-runner were as low-drama as Obama, the party, the country and even the candidate would benefit from a genuine debate about everything from foreign policy to the financial industry. And Clinton is not low-drama. She and her husband live at the center of a constantly unfolding political soap opera with endlessly proliferating subplots. Even if they’re not always treated fairly, they also seem to pathologically court trouble. See, for example, recent stories about foreign governments making donations to the Clinton Foundation during Clinton’s State Department tenure. One of those, The Washington Post reported, “violated [the foundation’s] ethics agreement with the Obama administration.”


Maybe there’s nothing more there, or anywhere, waiting to come out. But without other credible Democrats building the infrastructures they’d need to run, there’s no plan B if something explodes. Democrats are betting the future of the country on the Clintons’ ability to avoid crippling scandal. Maybe that wager will ultimately make sense, but there’s no reason to go all in so soon.




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http://www.thenation.com/blog/200169/clintons-e-mail-mess-shows-we-need-primary-not-coronation
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Did they cancel the primaries? Egnever Mar 2015 #1
Yah you didn't get the memo? Agschmid Mar 2015 #2
Hell no. And nobody implied that. But who else is running? Answer me that. n/t slumcamper Mar 2015 #18
No one is running, not even Hillary. Her being coy and waiting like this is another Autumn Mar 2015 #38
Its obvious... Segami Mar 2015 #40
Yeah and that can be a big ass problem Autumn Mar 2015 #43
No, despite people trying to for months on DU. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #65
Right? Egnever Mar 2015 #70
The AP is getting into the mix now madville Mar 2015 #3
And that's the problem - this shit's NEVA goin away, all because of Hillary's profound lack of judgment. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #14
Not a good start...and she hasn't even announced. n/t slumcamper Mar 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #15
Wasn't there another one with Bill Clinton's personal assistant? daredtowork Mar 2015 #4
So, what are YOU going to do about it? brooklynite Mar 2015 #5
O'Malley has been trying to run for a while now but more want to rant about how we need a primary JI7 Mar 2015 #6
trying to run? did he take the legal steps? has he officially announced? nt msongs Mar 2015 #9
serious candidates start running before legal/official steps if they want to win JI7 Mar 2015 #10
Has Elizabeth Warren? No, she hasn't. And yet many DU'ers have a bumper sticker in their signatures KittyWampus Mar 2015 #48
Though Sanders I think has a committee looking into the feasibility, Warren has explicitly said still_one Mar 2015 #52
This. Agschmid Mar 2015 #13
"a lot of Clinton scandals" Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #7
And do you think Mr.Bill Mar 2015 #21
barely the tip of the iceberg Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #27
Plus there are many video clips from Hillary's past campaign against Obama Oilwellian Mar 2015 #56
also I forgot Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #58
They will do Mr.Bill Mar 2015 #59
they can't Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #61
Yeah, shame on her Mr.Bill Mar 2015 #63
She doesn't have a lot of scandals. She has a lot of smears from republicans. BENGHAZI! KittyWampus Mar 2015 #49
lol. Trumped up by the M$M. treestar Mar 2015 #55
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #8
K&R and The Nation. Not exactly some RW tabloid, they are absolutely right. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #11
If she has a medical or some devastating political event that causes her NOT to run... Liberal Lantern Mar 2015 #12
If Hillary bows out, which is startin to look like a real possibility, Elizabeth WILL run. Guaranteed. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #16
Oh she told you? Agschmid Mar 2015 #34
I was also given a strong hint this would be the case from someone who works with her... cascadiance Mar 2015 #69
Not very bright...especially if she intended to run for President. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #17
Exactly-- I just don't understand this. Marr Mar 2015 #26
Seriously, if Hillary zentrum Mar 2015 #20
Sanders would be inspiring! appal_jack Mar 2015 #23
Nobody ever mentions Kerry dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #25
it is by design BubbaFett Mar 2015 #32
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #22
Isn't this EXACTLY what was said the last time the media turned against her? 6000eliot Mar 2015 #24
Wow. Even the Fox legal experts (former US Attorneys) said there's nothing to this rpannier Mar 2015 #28
There's nothing illegal madville Mar 2015 #31
And if I may jump in on your post to point out that even that primary only includes silvershadow Mar 2015 #29
You just played "blame the victim." McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #30
And you're playing... Segami Mar 2015 #37
There will be a primary. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #33
Great! Hatchling Mar 2015 #67
lol. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #68
No it doesn't, 99.9% of people who have a comercial ISP model has an email server in their uponit7771 Mar 2015 #35
I think the post is right about its lack of knowledge, and therefore about its worth. Orsino Mar 2015 #36
The 'hair on fire' discussion on the emails tells me... Spazito Mar 2015 #39
Nothing happened when Dick Cheney deleted e-mails. B Calm Mar 2015 #41
Yes,.. Segami Mar 2015 #44
Even criminals can be good teachers. B Calm Mar 2015 #64
Nothing ever happens to republicans. Their party and the media make sure of that Autumn Mar 2015 #47
Spot on with the corporate owned media! B Calm Mar 2015 #57
Primaries will be scheduled in almost every state. MineralMan Mar 2015 #42
From what I can see its really not a mess madokie Mar 2015 #45
If you don't want a "Coronation", identify, promote and fund other candidates... Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #46
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2015 #51
K&R. mylye2222 Mar 2015 #50
And if she wins the primary, you will call it a dynasty Annoying_Ashley Mar 2015 #53
Which would be technically incorrect. randome Mar 2015 #60
We are having a primary treestar Mar 2015 #54
Instead of being against someone, why don't you post some threads about who you support? randome Mar 2015 #62
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #66
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