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catchnrelease

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96. Mono Lake supporter here

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:51 AM

Mar 2015

The Eastern Sierra is one of my most favorite places to spend time, and especially the Mono Basin area. Over the past 30 years of visiting up there I watched those tufa towers become more exposed. Then after the agreements were reached with LADWP the water level rose and many of the towers disappeared under the water, and fans of the lake rejoiced! Until these past few years when the rain stopped and now the shoreline is retreating again. I fully expect that the fight over the water that should go into the lake will start up again and the 'agreements' will be broken.

There is no way a person can spend any time on the East side of the Sierra and not be aware of what can happen when a place has water and people with power and money want it. They will find a way to get it. Owens Lake was once big enough to have ferry boats cross it and now it's a basically a salt flat. Because powerful people wanted the water and took it.

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Alarm Bells Toll For Human Civilization As World's 12th Largest Mega-City To Run Out Of Water [View all] KamaAina Mar 2015 OP

I bet this is making the capitalist's mouths water. Pun not intended. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #1

You'll never guess who used to buy up water supplies mainly in developing countries KamaAina Mar 2015 #5

I think Nestles, PepsiCo, and CocaCola are doing that now. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #8

Bush Criminals also. Bought a S American aquifer misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #11

Paraguay central scrutinizer Mar 2015 #15

Thanks..yes Paraguay. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #17

I think his property abuts property owned by the Moonies. alfredo Mar 2015 #37

About the size of Connecticut. Octafish Mar 2015 #49

That sucks. I fear for our future. Our greed has overridden our survival instinct. alfredo Mar 2015 #53

A fortunate few may survive what they have in store for humanity. Octafish Mar 2015 #63

If our species survives, will it spawn another round of alfredo Mar 2015 #67

Stanislaw Lem thought humanity was just the beginning... Octafish Mar 2015 #71

On a large scale climate change IMO well might not be reversible, and sadly many humans, RKP5637 Mar 2015 #84

We are the last of the Homo lineage. alfredo Mar 2015 #93

+1 C Moon Mar 2015 #121

I propose an infestation of rats, scabies, and bedbugs in these "utopias." There's gotta be a way. NBachers Mar 2015 #78

Aw come on Octa! You know you are just supposed to tee hee about the BFEE and PNAC. Rex Mar 2015 #98

There's always an iceberg sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #108

They need to understand that the armed guards they employ are from alfredo Mar 2015 #127

Yes, and sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #132

You know the thought has passed through the minds of the rich, and maybe alfredo Mar 2015 #133

Hello! relayerbob Mar 2015 #124

I've been reading "Babbitt" by Sinclair Lewis, and I see that the capitalist has not alfredo Mar 2015 #126

All for their fricking fracking erronis Mar 2015 #30

when l.v. drinks up all their water they will come after yours Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #2

Water is the reason I believe the Koch bros. focused on the bordering states. rufus dog Mar 2015 #12

Do you know if they (the Kochs) also focused on Canadian provinces? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #27

Drink Canada dry. alfredo Mar 2015 #38

Well played. Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #52

Yeah, but we'd piss it all away. alfredo Mar 2015 #54

oh you! AngryAmish Mar 2015 #58

I did not know that rufus dog Mar 2015 #90

Not New York! RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #42

Where does NY get its energy supply? former9thward Mar 2015 #134

Here are a couple of fun facts about New York's energy supply Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #135

Fine, good luck with surviving on 30%. former9thward Mar 2015 #136

So how many other states even come close to 30% renewables? Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #137

The poster I was replying to is saying they former9thward Mar 2015 #138

Come try to take our water.... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2015 #24

been seeing that coming for years and years. why do you think that navarth Mar 2015 #32

It will be more than pitchfork and shovels in many places. amandabeech Mar 2015 #44

They will answer with machine guns, armored vehicles, and gunships TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #59

It wont happen Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #89

that's good to hear thanks Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #109

Hope that's right, but... freebrew Mar 2015 #117

Important to us all. K&R. nt Mnemosyne Mar 2015 #3

And the Oil Barons want to risk tainting the water supply in the midwest misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #4

Maybe that's their long term plan for when oil is obsolete? Matariki Mar 2015 #6

Not a doubt in my mind as to you statement. The Bush Crime Family.. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #10

The Guardian article I linked to is about that purchase Matariki Mar 2015 #13

Thanks That's it. Paraguay not Peru as I previously stated. misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #14

Meh.....This is bullshit. You wanna know how I know it's bullshit? Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #7

In the middle of the winter in D.C. Absolute genius, justhanginon Mar 2015 #51

lol Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #73

Water refugees bikebloke Mar 2015 #9

And a lot of them will come from the SW - land of guns and stupids erronis Mar 2015 #31

this was a prime reason I chose upstate SC Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #16

Plus, you're near Lindsey Graham! KamaAina Mar 2015 #18

you have to look on the bright side Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #20

That must be a fairly easy vote.... daleanime Mar 2015 #26

What about NC's coal ash and soon-to-be fracking waste? SMC22307 Mar 2015 #21

I don't believe so Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #56

same reason I moved to Maine magical thyme Mar 2015 #45

Moved away? Trillo Mar 2015 #19

When you have no water your mortgage won't be worth squat. What ins co will cover a place jtuck004 Mar 2015 #29

jtuck, you hit that one dead on onethatcares Mar 2015 #33

ridiculous. Trillo Mar 2015 #34

How fucked up a system that was. They labor, and you have to feed and clothe them. jtuck004 Mar 2015 #60

Welcome to my ignore list. Trillo Mar 2015 #70

Wow dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #97

economic collapse is different from zero water Trillo Mar 2015 #100

No, it's not dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #101

You missed my point regarding the mortgages... Trillo Mar 2015 #103

OK dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #104

I think a lot of people miss what happens when there isn't any water. People leave. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #131

Sorry to hear that, but STILL underwater value-wise? vkkv Mar 2015 #119

Yes, there is still a backlog of bank-owned houses that have to sell dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #120

so sorry dreamnightwind Skittles Mar 2015 #130

End of human civilization? Alarm bells toll? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #22

Yep, too true. Too True. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #23

Can you point out... Oilwellian Mar 2015 #25

Oh, I dunno, maybe in the title Android3.14 Mar 2015 #35

"alarm bells toll" != "end" KamaAina Mar 2015 #47

Weird...I don't see the word "end" anywhere in your sentence Oilwellian Mar 2015 #61

C R U Z alfredo Mar 2015 #68

A city of millions is running out of water due to climate change NickB79 Mar 2015 #82

Cities have run out of water in the past Android3.14 Mar 2015 #105

Wars for water are just around the corner. EEO Mar 2015 #28

pretty scary. nt navarth Mar 2015 #40

Treated Waste/Sewer Water dem in texas Mar 2015 #36

Aauggh! Don't tell me that! KamaAina Mar 2015 #41

Where is Inhofe turbinetree Mar 2015 #39

Hey, sea levels are rising. So there's no water shortage! riqster Mar 2015 #50

Update needed on the article cited h2ebits Mar 2015 #43

In defense of Las Vegas Nevernose Mar 2015 #46

Riverside is a great example Adsos Letter Mar 2015 #62

You seem to have forgotten one big problem... americannightmare Mar 2015 #74

Climate change will not be uniform Kaleva Mar 2015 #142

Ugh gcomeau Mar 2015 #48

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PNW here we come! shanti Mar 2015 #57

I live in one of the few water sustainable cities in the southwest--if we're careful Warpy Mar 2015 #64

Albuquerque? KamaAina Mar 2015 #65

No, which is why the lawns all dried up and blew away Warpy Mar 2015 #66

I like pictures nikto Mar 2015 #69

Why can't they drill deeper like every other city throughout the World is doing? ffr Mar 2015 #72

Are you sure that the rock strata beneath Sao Paulo contains another aquifer deeper down? Maedhros Mar 2015 #80

I don't live there and I'm not a geologist, but ffr Mar 2015 #83

Dams and aquaducts are the traditional solutions. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #129

Pray harder. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #75

Las Vegas eventually finds a new equilibrium Babel_17 Mar 2015 #76

Cilmate change effects the entire planet workinclasszero Mar 2015 #77

Get Used To This - Closer To Home colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #79

remember what happened to mono lake? niyad Mar 2015 #88

Mono Lake supporter here catchnrelease Mar 2015 #96

it is a frightening scenario. niyad Mar 2015 #115

In my crazy head I always believed water is more precious than oil. joanbarnes Mar 2015 #81

Yep, exactly! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #86

According to a song, there is water at the bottom of the ocean. tclambert Mar 2015 #85

I think you might be on to something cemaphonic Mar 2015 #140

google "coming water wars". so much of what I have read over the last few years shows that niyad Mar 2015 #87

Massive drought in Syria resulted in crop failures truebluegreen Mar 2015 #111

thank you for pointing out both the syrian situation--and the pentagon report. we remember, but niyad Mar 2015 #116

Hoarding water, plans to suggest people abandon the city... jtuck004 Mar 2015 #91

Where would they go?! KamaAina Mar 2015 #92

Is 20 million Brazillians the same as 20 Trazillions? n/t eggplant Mar 2015 #94

Their leadership is the problem Aerows Mar 2015 #95

. Rex Mar 2015 #99

Cities come and go. Albertoo Mar 2015 #102

Don't live in a desert and expect an abundance of water. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #106

They just need a couple hundred of these Kalidurga Mar 2015 #107

Meanwhile..... Lean Mar 2015 #110

No problem. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #112

hell heaven05 Mar 2015 #113

It means that avoidance & adaptation are the priorities Beach Rat Mar 2015 #114

In wealthier nations like the U.S., we'll never actually run out of water. Xithras Mar 2015 #118

The last part of the article is unfair. lark Mar 2015 #122

"What do the people of Las Vegas imagine they will drink....?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #123

Doesn't that require water? d_legendary1 Mar 2015 #125

Yeah, from Milwaukee. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #128

If only there were something we could do, almost immediately flvegan Mar 2015 #139

I doubt that much of Sao Paulo's municipal water supply is used to raise livestock KamaAina Mar 2015 #141