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5. The stupid bully pulpit bullshit again?

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 10:38 AM

Mar 2015

Anyone who thinks Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln and Max Baucus would have supported single payer because Obama have a speech or two isn't living on Planet Earth.

Ditto those who think the Blue Dogs, and the Republicans on the SCOTUS would have given it a pass.

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If we had gone the single payer route six years ago, we wouldn't be with the Supremes today. [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2015 OP

You have a lot more confidence in the Republicans than I do. I'm sure they would have crafted stevenleser Mar 2015 #1

Even this court couldn't gut Medicare. PedXing Mar 2015 #31

If the Republicans tried to repeal Medicare for all the torches would have lit the entire country Doctor_J Mar 2015 #50

I don't know if we could have gotten single payer el_bryanto Mar 2015 #2

Agree. Without a debate the American public was never informed of what they could have had. think Mar 2015 #52

I have simply never understood the argument that if you start Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #55

We wouldn't have gotten single payer gwheezie Mar 2015 #3

But if we'd had starships back then... Orsino Mar 2015 #12

The blue dogs and the insurance lobby. jwirr Mar 2015 #17

Quick, stop what your doing, it might be hard. PedXing Mar 2015 #33

I don't believe that. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #4

The stupid bully pulpit bullshit again? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #5

^^^this^^^ Freddie Mar 2015 #7

Incredible that anyone believes this. cheapdate Mar 2015 #26

Governing is hard work. PedXing Mar 2015 #35

That failed as soon as Max Baucus was leading the pack madokie Mar 2015 #6

yep annabanana Mar 2015 #9

Amazing how the Republicans control both houses PedXing Mar 2015 #36

Well lately it seems we're getting some annabanana Mar 2015 #39

That is true PedXing Mar 2015 #48

So what did Obama do to Max for wrecking his heath care plan? bvar22 Mar 2015 #63

For crying out loud some people here are dense. iandhr Mar 2015 #8

And that makes sense seeing as how you are perfectly satisfied with crap legislation. PedXing Mar 2015 #49

I think it's good legislation iandhr Mar 2015 #60

So you championed it in 1994? Awesome! PedXing Mar 2015 #65

Absolutely, Stinky. Octafish Mar 2015 #10

kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #11

Please explain how you get Lieberman to vote for it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #13

That's even giving the OP too much credit. stevenleser Mar 2015 #14

There's one way that probably would have not received a legal challenge jeff47 Mar 2015 #15

Oh the essential nationalization of a whole sub-industry would have produced tons of lawsuits... stevenleser Mar 2015 #16

Sure, the insurance companies could. But Republicans wouldn't. jeff47 Mar 2015 #18

I have no such faith in the Republican party. If anything, their whole socialism meme, remember that stevenleser Mar 2015 #19

Except the attack would be against Medicare jeff47 Mar 2015 #24

Your premise rests on the idea of Republicans acting rationally and as you expect. stevenleser Mar 2015 #32

The base isn't rational. The leaders are. jeff47 Mar 2015 #38

None of the challenges made against the ACA could have been used against medicare for all. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #21

There are over 15 million lawsuits filed in the US every year with different angles and arguments. stevenleser Mar 2015 #22

And I'm sure that, even today, some are filed to challenge the constitutionality of Social Security. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #25

Lieberman was pissed because McCain was going to make him SecDef or SecState. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #37

Governing is hard. Let's pass the other guys plans and call it our own. PedXing Mar 2015 #51

Dodging the question does not make it disappear. jeff47 Mar 2015 #54

You do what whips do, and you threaten his chairmanship. PedXing Mar 2015 #62

So you didn't bother to read the post before replying. jeff47 Mar 2015 #64

I'm sorry, just because you assert it doesn't make it so. PedXing Mar 2015 #66

Then feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary jeff47 Mar 2015 #67

Two things: Those who make the claims are responsible for the evidence. PedXing Mar 2015 #68

Guess what? You're making a claim. jeff47 Mar 2015 #69

You asked how one could win Leiberman's vote. PedXing Mar 2015 #70

Medicare for all would be unambiguously constitutional lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #20

If you can control the SCOTUS justices as well as this implies, I have a laundry list of wishes for stevenleser Mar 2015 #23

But it was important to make the crappy the enemy of the good. PedXing Mar 2015 #27

Single payer is good for nearly everyone, including the majority of businesses RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #28

There is no question Public Option could not have been achieved, for a variety of reasons. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #29

Exactly! Sweet dreams. PedXing Mar 2015 #30

the bully pulpit is not magical treestar Mar 2015 #34

If the democrats had passed Medicare for all, there wouldn't be enough republicans left Doctor_J Mar 2015 #41

How does that follow? treestar Mar 2015 #61

it was all theatre. big insurance and pharma fixed the game ahead of time, and siezed Doctor_J Mar 2015 #40

pretty sad how many DUers don't that, Doctor_J Skittles Mar 2015 #43

The Profit Preservation and Mandatory Middleman Act had two main goals besides the obvious Doctor_J Mar 2015 #45

The "if-only" list can get unmanageable someone needs to be on this HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #42

If we had gone the single payer route six years ago, we wouldn't have single payer... brooklynite Mar 2015 #44

Single payer was favored by more than 60% of the electorate Doctor_J Mar 2015 #46

Not the point... brooklynite Mar 2015 #47

You have your medicare... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #53

It is a fantasy to think that single payer was even in consideration. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #56

If I'd a gone for a paper route 6 years ago I wouldn't be in this mess, either.... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #57

One of the three main reasons given for offshoring VFX abelenkpe Mar 2015 #58

True, the ACA wouldn't be before the SCOTUS ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #59