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betterdemsonly

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31. I am not impressed with self-identified liberals, moderates, or conservatives
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 09:46 AM
Mar 2015

I am not convinced the average person has a firm grasp of those terms mean as they relate to issues. New Democrats are and always were, way to the right of the public, on Wall Street Reforms, and Public Option. Read Ezra Kleins recent piece on the myth of the moderate voters, and moderate extremism. People identified as moderate aren't moderate at all. They just have a jumble of left and right extreme views like Rosanne Barr. http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/lets-stop-using-the-word-moderate.

Quote from Vox.

"The only problem is moderates are largely a statistical myth. When you dig into their policy positions, the people who show up as moderates in polls are actually pretty damn extreme — and efforts to empower them may, accidentally, lead to the rise of more extreme candidates.
The statistical mistake behind the myth of the moderates

What happens, explains David Broockman, a political scientist at the University of California at Berkeley, is that surveys mistake people with diverse political opinions for people with moderate political opinions. The way it works is that a pollster will ask people for their position on a wide range of issues: marijuana legalization, the war in Iraq, universal health care, gay marriage, taxes, climate change, and so on. The answers will then be coded as to whether they're left or right. People who have a mix of answers on the left and the right average out to the middle — and so they're labeled as moderate.

But when you drill down into those individual answers you find a lot of opinions that are well out of the political mainstream. "A lot of people say we should have a universal health-care system run by the state like the British," Broockman said in July 2014. "A lot of people say we should deport all undocumented immigrants immediately with no due process. You'll often see really draconian measures towards gays and lesbians get 16 to 20 percent support. These people look like moderates but they're actually quite extreme."

The result is that voters who hold gentle opinions that are all on the left or the right end up looking a lot more extreme than voters who hold intense opinions that fall all over the political spectrum. Broockman offers this table as illustration:" http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/lets-stop-using-the-word-moderate

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I disagree. nt darkangel218 Mar 2015 #1
OK, make the case QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #2
This is so tiresome. It was "definitely" HRC last time til BHO burst onto the scene. peacebird Mar 2015 #3
I would love to see a primary, for the good of the party QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #9
When are you going to? You copied an article mostly about voter identification that says TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #6
Read it again QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #14
I pretty sure Hillary is a Republican, but disguised as a Democrat. Scuba Mar 2015 #4
It does seem that way. Broward Mar 2015 #8
The old Rockefeller and Ike wing of the Republican Party, I would agree with you QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #15
Joe Biden is VERY well-liked in Iowa. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #5
That is true QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #16
I don't recall him saying that at all. n/t ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #39
Joe is trailing In Iowa by fifty points so he has some work to do, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #28
Or I could point out that ... ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #40
Good luck to Joe and may all his and your wishes come true./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #41
He's actually not my preferred candidate. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #42
Bull. 99Forever Mar 2015 #7
That is true, but as of today, this is the situation QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #17
There was a day when... 99Forever Mar 2015 #18
Those were not facts QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #22
Wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... 99Forever Mar 2015 #23
Lot of those independents are too embarrassed to admit they are republicans. B Calm Mar 2015 #10
Well i think Hillary has the best chance but it is not impossible for another dem to win. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #11
and either way Wall Street wins. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #12
Bernie Sanders ..please.. G_j Mar 2015 #13
I love Bernie and what he stands for QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #19
I don't think we really are a center... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #29
Most people, when asked about the actual issues, come down on the progressive side. QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #30
I agree that people vote contrary to their interests... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #32
Bingo, you nailed it QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #35
Distinguish ourselves and our policies... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #36
I'm not voting for either one bigwillq Mar 2015 #20
I wonder how many voters in FL thought that in 2000 QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #25
FLA is a lot different than CT. bigwillq Mar 2015 #27
Thanks for the information. I learned two things from the info. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #21
Did you know more Democratic Primary voters voted for HRC QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #24
I know now that primary voters + caucus voters = less than a majority for Hillary. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #26
I am not impressed with self-identified liberals, moderates, or conservatives betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #31
Only if we all demand better. Orsino Mar 2015 #33
Your Right that Illinois Junior Senator was just a distraction One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #34
Obviously ...republicans are not the only unprincipled voters. L0oniX Mar 2015 #37
I Agree However I Want A Heated Primary Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #38
I disagree. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #44
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