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jeff47

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13. Please explain how you get Lieberman to vote for it.

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 12:03 PM

Mar 2015

He knows he can not win another election. So you can't hold that over him.

He lives for getting on TV and playing a martyr, and taking away his committee assignments would give him lots more time to whine on TV.

His main campaign donors were the insurance industry. He was dubbed "The Senator from Aetna". He expected his after-the-senate job would be lobbying for the insurance industry. So he needs to keep them happy to get paid large piles of cash.

He proposed a half-ass public option plan (people over 50 can buy Medicare) as an alternative for the ACA at the beginning of the effort to pass the ACA. When his own proposal came up again towards the end of the effort, he killed it.

Now, explain to me how you get Lieberman to vote for single payer. Because without his vote, it does not pass. And not some hand waving "bully pulpit" crap, because Lieberman never gave a fuck about Obama speeches. A concrete, "this is step 1...." plan.

Once you do that, we get to move on to Ben Nelson, and how you get him to vote for it.

ETA: And just to help you out, there were about 30 votes for ending the filibuster at that time.

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If we had gone the single payer route six years ago, we wouldn't be with the Supremes today. [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2015 OP

You have a lot more confidence in the Republicans than I do. I'm sure they would have crafted stevenleser Mar 2015 #1

Even this court couldn't gut Medicare. PedXing Mar 2015 #31

If the Republicans tried to repeal Medicare for all the torches would have lit the entire country Doctor_J Mar 2015 #50

I don't know if we could have gotten single payer el_bryanto Mar 2015 #2

Agree. Without a debate the American public was never informed of what they could have had. think Mar 2015 #52

I have simply never understood the argument that if you start Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #55

We wouldn't have gotten single payer gwheezie Mar 2015 #3

But if we'd had starships back then... Orsino Mar 2015 #12

The blue dogs and the insurance lobby. jwirr Mar 2015 #17

Quick, stop what your doing, it might be hard. PedXing Mar 2015 #33

I don't believe that. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #4

The stupid bully pulpit bullshit again? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #5

^^^this^^^ Freddie Mar 2015 #7

Incredible that anyone believes this. cheapdate Mar 2015 #26

Governing is hard work. PedXing Mar 2015 #35

That failed as soon as Max Baucus was leading the pack madokie Mar 2015 #6

yep annabanana Mar 2015 #9

Amazing how the Republicans control both houses PedXing Mar 2015 #36

Well lately it seems we're getting some annabanana Mar 2015 #39

That is true PedXing Mar 2015 #48

So what did Obama do to Max for wrecking his heath care plan? bvar22 Mar 2015 #63

For crying out loud some people here are dense. iandhr Mar 2015 #8

And that makes sense seeing as how you are perfectly satisfied with crap legislation. PedXing Mar 2015 #49

I think it's good legislation iandhr Mar 2015 #60

So you championed it in 1994? Awesome! PedXing Mar 2015 #65

Absolutely, Stinky. Octafish Mar 2015 #10

kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #11

Please explain how you get Lieberman to vote for it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #13

That's even giving the OP too much credit. stevenleser Mar 2015 #14

There's one way that probably would have not received a legal challenge jeff47 Mar 2015 #15

Oh the essential nationalization of a whole sub-industry would have produced tons of lawsuits... stevenleser Mar 2015 #16

Sure, the insurance companies could. But Republicans wouldn't. jeff47 Mar 2015 #18

I have no such faith in the Republican party. If anything, their whole socialism meme, remember that stevenleser Mar 2015 #19

Except the attack would be against Medicare jeff47 Mar 2015 #24

Your premise rests on the idea of Republicans acting rationally and as you expect. stevenleser Mar 2015 #32

The base isn't rational. The leaders are. jeff47 Mar 2015 #38

None of the challenges made against the ACA could have been used against medicare for all. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #21

There are over 15 million lawsuits filed in the US every year with different angles and arguments. stevenleser Mar 2015 #22

And I'm sure that, even today, some are filed to challenge the constitutionality of Social Security. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #25

Lieberman was pissed because McCain was going to make him SecDef or SecState. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #37

Governing is hard. Let's pass the other guys plans and call it our own. PedXing Mar 2015 #51

Dodging the question does not make it disappear. jeff47 Mar 2015 #54

You do what whips do, and you threaten his chairmanship. PedXing Mar 2015 #62

So you didn't bother to read the post before replying. jeff47 Mar 2015 #64

I'm sorry, just because you assert it doesn't make it so. PedXing Mar 2015 #66

Then feel free to provide any evidence to the contrary jeff47 Mar 2015 #67

Two things: Those who make the claims are responsible for the evidence. PedXing Mar 2015 #68

Guess what? You're making a claim. jeff47 Mar 2015 #69

You asked how one could win Leiberman's vote. PedXing Mar 2015 #70

Medicare for all would be unambiguously constitutional lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #20

If you can control the SCOTUS justices as well as this implies, I have a laundry list of wishes for stevenleser Mar 2015 #23

But it was important to make the crappy the enemy of the good. PedXing Mar 2015 #27

Single payer is good for nearly everyone, including the majority of businesses RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #28

There is no question Public Option could not have been achieved, for a variety of reasons. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #29

Exactly! Sweet dreams. PedXing Mar 2015 #30

the bully pulpit is not magical treestar Mar 2015 #34

If the democrats had passed Medicare for all, there wouldn't be enough republicans left Doctor_J Mar 2015 #41

How does that follow? treestar Mar 2015 #61

it was all theatre. big insurance and pharma fixed the game ahead of time, and siezed Doctor_J Mar 2015 #40

pretty sad how many DUers don't that, Doctor_J Skittles Mar 2015 #43

The Profit Preservation and Mandatory Middleman Act had two main goals besides the obvious Doctor_J Mar 2015 #45

The "if-only" list can get unmanageable someone needs to be on this HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #42

If we had gone the single payer route six years ago, we wouldn't have single payer... brooklynite Mar 2015 #44

Single payer was favored by more than 60% of the electorate Doctor_J Mar 2015 #46

Not the point... brooklynite Mar 2015 #47

You have your medicare... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #53

It is a fantasy to think that single payer was even in consideration. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #56

If I'd a gone for a paper route 6 years ago I wouldn't be in this mess, either.... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #57

One of the three main reasons given for offshoring VFX abelenkpe Mar 2015 #58

True, the ACA wouldn't be before the SCOTUS ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #59