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In reply to the discussion: We need a draft in order to protect the current troops. We have more National Guard units [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)But instead I'll discuss numbers with you. How many soldiers, active duty and reserve do we have? The answer may be surprising when you consider how much money we spend. We have half a million active duty soldiers. We have fewer than two million including reserves and all branches of the military. That includes troops in Korea, Europe, and all other deployed personnel.
If we tried to Federalize the police, that would bring us another two million. That includes all county, city, state, and federal personnel authorized to wear a badge and arrest people.
So right now we have a total of four million. For the sake of argument, let's go with five million for fun.
There are 250 million people in the nation. But for now, to placate you, we'll pretend that none of the other states would object if you marched Federal troops into Alabama to shut down the State Supreme Court and force them to act like you want. That by the way, is a huge stretch of the imagination.
The Southern Poverty Law Center says there are nearly 1,000 known hate groups. Assume that there are at least that many that are unknown because they don't post on the internet. How many of them would sit idly by and take no action when you invade Alabama?
But let's keep it simple. Let's say that one person in ten will object to your actions. Let's say that half of those, or one in twenty will be motivated to take action themselves. Attacking federal employees, attacking federal buildings, or attacking police.
Five percent of the population is more than ten million people scattered across fifty states. Most will be in red states. But how do you propose to deal with an insurgency in the United States when we could never really get an insurgency under control in Afghanistan or Iraq? Especially when early victories will swell their ranks with recruits who are now convinced that the Democratic party and Obama are going to use Martial Law to subvert the Constitution?
Oh we have them out gunned, we have tanks, and helicopters, and drones, and fighter jets that are awesome or something. Yet Tanks, Drone, Helicopters, and awesome fighter jets haven't yet even put a dent in ISIS/ISIL/IS, and they are occupying much less territory than the United States.
Estimates show that there are 90 guns per 100 people in the United States. A vast and overwhelming majority of those are owned by people who are generally speaking opposed to the Democratic Party. That is a lot of guns. So invading Alabama would result in some of those coming out in opposition. How many would come out? Ten, a hundred, a thousand, a million?
As long as your proposed actions remained confined to Alabama, then you could theoretically win. But if it spread to one more state, and there are several it would almost certainly spread to, then the Federal Government would lose. Would Texas remain quiet and obedient when images of Federal troops firing on American Citizens flashed across the web? Georgia? Tennessee? South Carolina? Kentucky? West Virginia? How about Oklahoma, Wyoming, Iowa, Idaho, Mississippi, or Montana? Would every one of the 49 remaining states remain loyal and obedient. Not most of them, every single one of them? Not just the political types, the individuals, the people. How long would we fight for Kansas? How long could we afford to fight for Louisiana? Could we afford to lose the refineries on the Gulf Coast? If we did, how could we fuel those helicopters, tanks, and drones and those awesomely cool fighter jets?
Imagine if President Obama was deposed by a coup. Would you stand by silently and remain loyal to the Government? Or would you go out and protest? Would you go out and drive your car into a crowd of oppressors to try and stop them from destroying the nation? Would you join with a group of people protesting the idea, and attack the police who tried to break up the protest?
The nation would split. It would be a five way civil war. It would be unimaginably awful. Millions would die, and millions more would suffer unimaginably.
Take some time, look at the numbers, and study how things break down. The general rule of thumb on an insurgency is that it takes ten soldiers to fight one insurgent. Do you think that the opponents we're talking about could round up half a million people who believe as they do in this nation? If so, the odds would be even. If they got more, the Federal Government would be outnumbered, assuming we could count on every one of those city, county, and state police officers to support us. Any bets on that?