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jwirr

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60. As the grandma of a 15 year old boy I cringe when the draft is mentioned. But that is the point. One

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:57 PM

Mar 2015

of the problems of having no draft is that people like me feel secure. MY grandson will not have to go. I and others like me can look away while we send our troops off to war. It does not involve us. Or so the reasoning goes. That is not how I feel but many do without even thinking it out.

The assumption is that it we had a draft then everyone with a child (boy or girl) would have to worry about the wars. I don't know if that would change anything but that is the idea.

One of the big problems with the draft is that many were able to get deferments and exemptions. And unfortunately it was mostly the rich and those who's families would have the most influence over the leaders of the nation. If there is ever another draft I want those exemptions (other than medical reasons) eliminated.

One of the MSNBC shows last evening had a discussion regarding this. Don't remember which one.

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We need a draft in order to protect the current troops. We have more National Guard units [View all] CK_John Mar 2015 OP

You first. Scootaloo Mar 2015 #1

+1 pinboy3niner Mar 2015 #3

Sending current troops on 4 and 5 combat tours is breaking down the volunteer army. CK_John Mar 2015 #6

So rather than sending no one, how the hell does sending others do anything but continue the crap? uppityperson Mar 2015 #15

It's the policy of military operations that is the problem. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #34

We do not need to fight those wars. The draft upaloopa Mar 2015 #55

youre correct it should be the same people going over and over again - doing tour after tour Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #7

The draft does just the opposite. It makes more troops available upaloopa Mar 2015 #56

I done my USMC service in 57-60. CK_John Mar 2015 #5

It's alright, sounds like you've had a long break now it is time to relieve the troops! TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #46

Here's what I have to say about this. stone space Mar 2015 #2

for those who dont know Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #8

No. We don't. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #4

We need to stop sending troops abroad Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #9

It would be nice but the world has never been that way and it's time to be practical. CK_John Mar 2015 #10

Right Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #12

Exactly. The answer is not throw more young men and women in but to throw less. uppityperson Mar 2015 #17

For at least the last 10000 yrs there has been wars, get real. CK_John Mar 2015 #19

OK fine, let's get real Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #22

You want some wars then fight and pay for them and I'll do the same. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #33

The U.S. didn't take good care of WWII veterans? Trillo Mar 2015 #93

I never said that, what are you referring to. CK_John Mar 2015 #94

Let`s start by sending all the chickenhawks. democrank Mar 2015 #11

We need able body troops to rescue our current overburdened armed forces before CK_John Mar 2015 #13

Stop over burdening them then, jack! You act like these actions are for our benefit or something TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #35

What do you call the last 13yrs, peacetime. Not. CK_John Mar 2015 #36

What about the last 13 years tells you more capacity is beneficial? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #59

Include the children of everyone talking about a draft... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #88

Fuck no. And if the next thing is "make it the same for everyone", how about instead stopping uppityperson Mar 2015 #14

It is never going to happen. CK_John Mar 2015 #20

You don't believe congress will use people appropriately yet believe they will pass a uppityperson Mar 2015 #24

It will be as fair as it needs to be; they did pretty good in the 60's everybody knew their number CK_John Mar 2015 #25

Are you serious? People did not get out of the draft, especially those of political or money connec uppityperson Mar 2015 #27

We can't afford a fair draft hack89 Mar 2015 #16

The money comes with need. CK_John Mar 2015 #21

As evidenced by all the money that has come for vets in need? You mean like that? uppityperson Mar 2015 #62

It's still much too big. alarimer Mar 2015 #47

No. And for those who say this will galvanize folks into demonstrating and voting - guess what? djean111 Mar 2015 #18

US Soldiers Readying for Ukraine Deployment. CK_John Mar 2015 #23

The sure fire solution to problems w/the military is simultaneous wars w/ Russia & Iran leveymg Mar 2015 #28

I said not to send them and want the funding cut. I don't want any reinforcements. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #38

Are you on your way to Ukraine? Bye! stone space Mar 2015 #61

Or maybe we could quit getting in so many fights? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26

You are ready to start a civil war backwoodsbob Mar 2015 #29

Alabama Supreme Court is the one committing insurrection. How far will they carry this situation CK_John Mar 2015 #31

I was going to leave that alone. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #48

No. No draft. SheilaT Mar 2015 #30

Pass. City Lights Mar 2015 #32

Perfection will not get in the way of necessity. CK_John Mar 2015 #37

There is no necessity whatsoever. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #39

Necessity is in the eye of the beholder. City Lights Mar 2015 #45

As long as we have a voluntary military service, these stupid wars will continue. Paladin Mar 2015 #40

Do you consider children means or ends? stone space Mar 2015 #53

You're making my argument for me. Many thanks. (nt) Paladin Mar 2015 #65

I don't think so. stone space Mar 2015 #74

Speaking of Netanyahu, ... stone space Mar 2015 #57

As the grandma of a 15 year old boy I cringe when the draft is mentioned. But that is the point. One jwirr Mar 2015 #60

Once the Viet Nam draft ended, the anti-Viet Nam war movement disappeared. Paladin Mar 2015 #66

Especially when it comes to who is fighting them. How many of our elected leaders actually have jwirr Mar 2015 #68

For some reason we are supposed to believe that congress will pass an equitable and fair uppityperson Mar 2015 #70

Well I was born during WWII and so far that has not worked out very well. I would be very glad to jwirr Mar 2015 #71

The draft ended in 1/27/73. Direct US military involvement ended 8/15/73. The war ended 4/75. uppityperson Mar 2015 #72

Maybe in your neck of the woods, but not mine. Paladin Mar 2015 #73

You do know that having the draft kept Viet Nam going longer, right? Protests decreased when they uppityperson Mar 2015 #79

Of course the anti-Viet Nam war movement disappeared when the draft ended Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #86

Wrong. Paladin Mar 2015 #87

Think again Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #89

Post #72. (nt) Paladin Mar 2015 #91

The last troops from Vietnam arrived home long before August Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #92

How about instead of figuring out an equitable draft, they figure out how to properly use those who uppityperson Mar 2015 #63

An all-volunteer military invites misuse. Always will. (nt) Paladin Mar 2015 #67

As does a draft. Always will. So how about we work instead on figuring out how to not misuse uppityperson Mar 2015 #69

An all volunteer military should create caution. stone space Mar 2015 #81

Do you consider Dubya's use of the voluntary military to have been "cautious"? Paladin Mar 2015 #82

He used the word in the same Orwellian sense that you use it. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #83

Whatever. (nt) Paladin Mar 2015 #84

At best those troops would not be ready Savannahmann Mar 2015 #41

Sounds like its time for you to jump on a plane and go to the front lines! dissentient Mar 2015 #42

See Post 5. CK_John Mar 2015 #44

Post 5 is irrelevant. You go. My two daughters and 4 grandchildren will stay here. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #54

No draft. Period. MineralMan Mar 2015 #43

Maybe... Oubaas Mar 2015 #49

Do you really think the people's will matters any more? I do not. Four years between presidents djean111 Mar 2015 #76

This dumb draftee is against it but the late Colonel Hackworth had an interesting perspective Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #50

Nope. abelenkpe Mar 2015 #51

You want to take someone's kids and make killers upaloopa Mar 2015 #52

No thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #58

A draft to be written by what Congress? Orsino Mar 2015 #64

Only a coward would attack somebody's children and grandchildren. stone space Mar 2015 #75

You're not making any since. CK_John Mar 2015 #77

People in this thread are talking about attacking people through... stone space Mar 2015 #78

Hmm... Oubaas Mar 2015 #80

There's nothing quite like die'n for someone else's piece of dirt. L0oniX Mar 2015 #85

I was opposed to the draft during the Vietnam Era HeiressofBickworth Mar 2015 #90