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DisgustipatedinCA

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56. Note to all who care to read about the direction this thread has taken.

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Thu Mar 5, 2015, 06:06 PM

Mar 2015

This thread isn't so much about Hillary Clinton as it is about DU. That was my original intent--to show that this site more or less lambasted GWB back in 2007 when it turned out he had been using private RNC email since 2001, and that some of us have changed our tunes with Hillary Clinton in a similar situation.

But the bottom third or so of this thread (as currently constituted) mostly deals with hypocrisy and lying. There are several (meaning 4) posters who have, one way or another, endorsed hypocrisy. Two of these posters have also endorsed flat-out lying, using the rationale that this keeps us even with Republicans.

Again, I think Hillary Clinton will weather this storm, and she'll almost certainly be the Democratic candidate for the Presidency (to my chagrin). But whomever becomes President, most of us will still be here at DU, and I think it's really sad to note that some of my fellow DUers don't have a problem with telling lies to keep even or get ahead of Republicans. That's not an accusation on my part--just see the posts somewhere above this one and you'll know what I mean. I'm not a moral exemplar, but if we can't all agree that both hypocrisy and lying are bad things, I'm not sure what we can agree on. That's base-level stuff.

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I set the Way Back machine to see what we thought about Bush's private emails [View all] DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 OP

Countdown to the "you're just a Hilary hater" responses in 5...4... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #1

Admittedly, I do not support her candidacy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #3

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Uh oh! HappyMe Mar 2015 #2

Not a label I want, but I won't bother trying to counter it. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #5

Absolutely. HappyMe Mar 2015 #9

Ooh nooo....'The List' Segami Mar 2015 #95

Bush's emails were deleted. Hillary's has been preserved at the State Dept all along. leftofcool Mar 2015 #4

Um, no. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #6

True. And any emails Sec. Clinton sent to other Depts are on each Dept's server. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #12

What is inexplicable is if this was malum in se why didn't somebody say... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #17

Exactly, or any emails with the Bilderbergers for tin-foil types... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14

That would be great... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26

But when we're forced to braid in reality we sorta have to go with it... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #32

braid? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #33

Narratives are woven...the idea is to pull together events and interpretations HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #36

Ah, ok. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #37

Oh, stop making sense!! How dare you get in the way of the Under The Bus Brigade! nt MADem Mar 2015 #102

LOL! You just proved my entire point. Thanks. leftofcool Mar 2015 #30

I understand email servers very well. I do not understand your statement. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #35

All emails sent to and from Hillary's private server to the State Department are archived leftofcool Mar 2015 #60

You have a point, IF and ONLY IF Hillary never sent State-related emails outside of state.gov. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #62

State does have a copy. And she didn't put classified emails on her home server, pnwmom Mar 2015 #42

OK. I hadn't seen anything claiming that she gave State all of her emails. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #44

She gave State 55,000 emails when it asked her -- and all the other former S.o.S.'s-- for them. pnwmom Mar 2015 #50

I don't know. Someone should have advised her against doing this. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #64

how about hillary's email to officials from other states? or her emails to other officials, period? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #98

I guess she will suffer the same fate at the ballot box as George Walker Bush./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7

It was illegal for the Bushies and for Clinton. But, the RecordsAct has no teeth for noncompliance. leveymg Mar 2015 #10

Nothing remarkable about this... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #11

You've just provided a working definition of hypocrisy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #21

It's human nature... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #22

That may be, but it's still not acceptable. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #24

As long as two sides are of roughly equal strength I am not going to allow the other side to use... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #25

Republicans tell lots of lies. Do you also like to keep that tool at your disposal? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #27

If my opponent lied about me to gain an unfair or undeserved advantage I would have no problem... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #29

You'd lie to restore status quo? OK. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #34

I don't really care about private emails. DanTex Mar 2015 #13

Hey, we can double standard as good as the GOP!!! Nt Logical Mar 2015 #15

Folks always go back to their respective camps. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18

No, partisans who don't mind being hypocrites do that. Marr Mar 2015 #97

Not to change the subject, but isn't Hillary just awesome. n/t dilby Mar 2015 #16

The Bush administration destroyed sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #19

The part you are glossing over is that there was real suspected wrong doing in that administration. stevenleser Mar 2015 #20

Really? That's what you're going with? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #23

I'm not being snarky but for a person who holds himself out to be a moral exemplar... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #28

I'm not holding myself up as a moral exemplar. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #31

LOL! It would be easy enough to forage through your posting history and find your own hypocrisy- KittyWampus Mar 2015 #38

go ahead, I'll just wait right here. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #41

I am enjoying this conversation DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #57

Hypocrisy is engaging in behavior you withhold from others. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #39

But we should let Republicans roll right over us, correct? treestar Mar 2015 #40

By all means, tell lies to get ahead if that's the way you think you should live your life. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #43

As a rule I don't countenance lying but I'm not going to bring the proverbial knife to a gun fight. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #47

hypocrisy is the most dangerous thing because.... politicman Mar 2015 #105

Hypocrisy is withholding from others behavior you allow for yourself. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #106

Lying is never moral period. politicman Mar 2015 #108

I'm going with the only thing that matters. If that conflicts with your agenda, too bad. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #45

This should sound familiar DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #46

Right off the top of my head, the reasons for going to war in Iraq, a war crime. I'd like to stevenleser Mar 2015 #49

And by the way, does prove a negative in this case mean, you don't know of any wrongdoing but want stevenleser Mar 2015 #68

And what happened to Bush after this was discovered? Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #48

He didn't run for president after it happened. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2015 #54

Help me understand something, I am hearing she didnt follow the rule at State Dept NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #51

All emails from her private server going to the State stays with the State leftofcool Mar 2015 #55

On Lawrence last night he was saying that she didnt follow a new rule, which is when Jennifer NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #58

Lawrence is not an authority on computer security leftofcool Mar 2015 #61

Maybe not, but he is a watchdog on hypocrisy and I trust his instincts there. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #67

Sending and storing State Department communications from/on a personal email server Maedhros Mar 2015 #76

He's in a bad mood--his love life ain't happenin' anymore. MADem Mar 2015 #103

A pizza parlor-- or anyone else not using a State Department email address. Marr Mar 2015 #99

Palin was a subject in 2008, as well n/t Gore1FL Mar 2015 #52

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #53

You seem prostrate and a little twitchy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #92

Always ready to believe the worst. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #93

Note to all who care to read about the direction this thread has taken. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #56

Well, it is DU and not to be taken seriously. leftofcool Mar 2015 #63

So is lying morally inferior or superior to character assassination DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #65

That was no attempt at character assasination. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #66

Since Mr. Lesser was the victim of the attack he should have a say... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #69

If you feel it was an attack, then alert. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #70

Attacks are so common place at DU that I save my alerts for only the most egregious ones... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #71

If I have a say then it is an ad-hominem character assassination. As are all similar instances. stevenleser Mar 2015 #72

This is what I don't understand... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #73

And that is the other side of it that the administration is grappling with. Of course they knew and stevenleser Mar 2015 #77

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Really dude? First time I heard that pun with my name was from a fellow three year old. stevenleser Mar 2015 #75

I spelled it wrong by accident... Just call me Mr. Moorer./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #78

I know it was an accident on your part. My post was directed at the person with an infantile sense stevenleser Mar 2015 #79

The key to a pleasant DU experience is to approach it with the requisite level of seriousness... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #81

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DU is work for you? That explains a lot! nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #84

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Let's all be friends... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #89

I think that LWolf Mar 2015 #94

They deleted emails and nothing happened to them. Republican criminals B Calm Mar 2015 #59

Thank you for looking this up. I assumed as much. merrily Mar 2015 #82

Please, let's leave the lack of nuance to the Republicans ok? nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #86

A straightforward post to a poster other than yourself is a problem for you? merrily Mar 2015 #88

Nope, the lack of nuance is. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #90

Whatever. Still won't be changing my posting style to suit you merrily Mar 2015 #91

Style has nothing to do with it. It's your inability to do nuance. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #96

Good catch Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #83

It's not a catch. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #85

I remember all that too. bhikkhu Mar 2015 #100

how do we know? politicman Mar 2015 #107

A better question might be - how trusting do we think Hillary is? bhikkhu Mar 2015 #109

to you they are conspiracy theories, to us they are legitimte questions that need credible answers politicman Mar 2015 #110

Bush's team deleted emails. They used the system to get around archiving. MADem Mar 2015 #101

I would also point out Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #104