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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
43. I disagree.
Thu Mar 5, 2015, 07:15 PM
Mar 2015

Hillary has the best name recognition among the people who, unlike us, are not political junkies. Most people can't name their own Senators unless it's right at Election time. Then the name rings a bell. Most people don't pay attention until the last few weeks, or months, of a campaign. So this early, the interesting polling is not on who wins what name recognition poll, that is little more than a high school popularity vote at this point. No, the interesting thing to watch is issues. What issues people find most important according to polling. Especially interesting is the long term trends.

By doing that, you can best position your candidate to take advantage of populist trends. Name recognition may get Hillary into the race, but once Issues and Character come into play, she's going to suffer. If we nominate Hillary, we're going to lose.

We'll start with Unions. Unions want to see their jobs and members protected. Free Trade harms the unions. So any candidate that is going to get massive Union support, must argue in favor of protectionist policies at home regarding economic issues. Hillary is a Pro Free Trade, Pro TPP, Pro Fast Track advocate. So Hillary won't be getting as much support from the Unions as she'll desperately need and will suffer dramatically because of it.

Decriminalization of Marijuana. Hillary has long said a simple no to this. Her fear is that she might appear soft on drugs. However, public opinion has shifted and now pluralities and majorities in most states support legalization. The time is right for a candidate to explain why we would benefit from legalization. Hillary is on the same side of the issue as a vast majority of Republicans, which won't do much to distinguish her as a forward thinking or original mind to take the helm.

NSA spying. Privacy oriented civil rights are important to large numbers of people. Depending on the poll nearly half of the people think that NSA spying on citizens is at best inappropriate, and at worst unconstitutional. Making the argument that such spying is improper, unethical, and should be banned seems to be an obvious choice. Yet, Hillary has long supported the security state. Not because it is a core Democratic Party Principle, but again out of fear. She's afraid of being labeled as soft on terrorists, which is the same reason she voted for the Iraq War, and the PATRIOT ACT as a Senator. Again, her position is not significantly different than almost all the Republicans.

Citizens United. A cause celeb among Liberals. However, Hillary has made statements that seem to support an amendment to overturn CU. However, here again her voting record in the Senate is a problem. Hillary voted for Bankruptcy Reform, that abomination that meant individuals could not write off debt, while business' could continue to write off debt like employee pensions. Again, Hillary made statements to the contrary, but her votes were not in keeping with her statements. At best she looks like a flip flopping political hack that will say anything to get elected. At worst, she is part of the problem of big business cronies in high offices. Worst case she comes off looking like a hypocrite wannabe Republican.

I could go on, and on, and on. How Hillary's statements, and votes, are going to be counter to public opinions on issues. Unless you think that nobody in the Press is going to ask her questions on these issues, then they will be problems in the campaign.

All of those issues that are problematic, the merest tip of the iceberg listed above, will erode support from Hillary in the voting booth. President Obama lost four million votes between 2008 and 2012. Republicans picked up one million, placing them less than five million votes behind. How much can Hillary afford to have eroded away from President Obama's 2012 totals? A small percentage of the total vote and it's a horse race of an election season.

Positions. Hillary has to position herself now in favor of Populist issues, and without doing so now, she loses the credibility factor. Again she ends up looking like a phony desperate to say anything to get elected. Not really a winning combination. So IMO running Hillary is a recipe for defeat. I could be wrong, but everything I read tells me that nobody is considering issues when considering Hillary as the winning candidate.

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I disagree. nt darkangel218 Mar 2015 #1
OK, make the case QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #2
This is so tiresome. It was "definitely" HRC last time til BHO burst onto the scene. peacebird Mar 2015 #3
I would love to see a primary, for the good of the party QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #9
When are you going to? You copied an article mostly about voter identification that says TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #6
Read it again QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #14
I pretty sure Hillary is a Republican, but disguised as a Democrat. Scuba Mar 2015 #4
It does seem that way. Broward Mar 2015 #8
The old Rockefeller and Ike wing of the Republican Party, I would agree with you QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #15
Joe Biden is VERY well-liked in Iowa. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #5
That is true QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #16
I don't recall him saying that at all. n/t ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #39
Joe is trailing In Iowa by fifty points so he has some work to do, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #28
Or I could point out that ... ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #40
Good luck to Joe and may all his and your wishes come true./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #41
He's actually not my preferred candidate. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #42
Bull. 99Forever Mar 2015 #7
That is true, but as of today, this is the situation QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #17
There was a day when... 99Forever Mar 2015 #18
Those were not facts QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #22
Wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... 99Forever Mar 2015 #23
Lot of those independents are too embarrassed to admit they are republicans. B Calm Mar 2015 #10
Well i think Hillary has the best chance but it is not impossible for another dem to win. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #11
and either way Wall Street wins. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #12
Bernie Sanders ..please.. G_j Mar 2015 #13
I love Bernie and what he stands for QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #19
I don't think we really are a center... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #29
Most people, when asked about the actual issues, come down on the progressive side. QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #30
I agree that people vote contrary to their interests... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #32
Bingo, you nailed it QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #35
Distinguish ourselves and our policies... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #36
I'm not voting for either one bigwillq Mar 2015 #20
I wonder how many voters in FL thought that in 2000 QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #25
FLA is a lot different than CT. bigwillq Mar 2015 #27
Thanks for the information. I learned two things from the info. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #21
Did you know more Democratic Primary voters voted for HRC QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #24
I know now that primary voters + caucus voters = less than a majority for Hillary. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #26
I am not impressed with self-identified liberals, moderates, or conservatives betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #31
Only if we all demand better. Orsino Mar 2015 #33
Your Right that Illinois Junior Senator was just a distraction One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #34
Obviously ...republicans are not the only unprincipled voters. L0oniX Mar 2015 #37
I Agree However I Want A Heated Primary Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #38
I disagree. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #44
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