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In reply to the discussion: Clever girls, stupid boys? [View all]Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)36. As was yours
And a point of order here. I'm not making that argument. You are.
I simply questioned how you get from here to there.
Again, your initial point was that gender discrimination was not a factor in the gender wage gap.
That's not what I said. Putting words in someone's mouth and then arguing from that basis is strawman, btw.
You have yet to back up your own initial claim, which does indeed go against the findings of most reputable social scientists.
Another point of order here. It was someone else who implied that discrimination accounts for the majority of the pay gap. I know of no competent and comprehensive pay gap study which backs this up. Even the AAUW (a feminist organization) admits the unexplained portion of the pay gap amounts to only 7% and they further admit that even within that 7% there are other factors not related to discrimination which are difficult, if not impossible to measure. Furthermore if you include total compensation and not just raw wages, the total compensation gap gets even smaller since women tend to chose jobs that include better benefits.
Graduating to a Pay
Gap found that a 7 percent difference in the earnings of male and female
college graduates one year after graduation was still unexplained.
Research suggests that differences in education and other measurable factors
explain part of the difference in earnings between racial and ethnic groups.
However, as is the case with gender, part of the racial/ethnic pay gap cannot
be explained by factors known to affect earnings and is likely due, at least in
part, to discrimination.
Gap found that a 7 percent difference in the earnings of male and female
college graduates one year after graduation was still unexplained.
Research suggests that differences in education and other measurable factors
explain part of the difference in earnings between racial and ethnic groups.
However, as is the case with gender, part of the racial/ethnic pay gap cannot
be explained by factors known to affect earnings and is likely due, at least in
part, to discrimination.
http://www.aauw.org/files/2015/02/The-Simple-Truth_Spring-2015.pdf
This matches up with every other pay gap study I know about, including the Consad study which is still the most comprehensive to date and places the unexplained portion of the pay gap (and which part that due to discrimination likely is partly to blame) at between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
So I could really care less on what ground you're on. People who claim credentials on the internet anonymously just don't impress me that much. YMMV.
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even when boys' work is just as good, the higher grade is more likely to go to a girl
Romeo.lima333
Mar 2015
#1
Because discrimination is in no way related to the circumstances of most womens' lives...
antigone382
Mar 2015
#18
Difference being one is formally financially compensated and the other is not.
antigone382
Mar 2015
#20
Or alternatively, we could address gender disparities so everyone has a chance to earn an income...
antigone382
Mar 2015
#25
I'm glad for your individual, anecdotal experience, comprising a single data point in a sea of stats
antigone382
Mar 2015
#28
I think the specific cases and studies I referenced to paint a picture of discrimination.
antigone382
Mar 2015
#55
This is a serious problem. But it's not politically correct to talk about it.
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#9
men are not going to college less. their numbers are not escalating like womens.
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#11
it's interesting because when men act selfishly they often cite women as the reason- they need more
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#62
if we are talking biological, i would say more survival. with a greater income of more,
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#63
well, ya. and that is exactly the point. we do not have to eat so fast. we can slow down.
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#67
There is a lack of women in STEM. You don't think that's a problem that should be addressed?
DanTex
Mar 2015
#12
If they're being denied access, then yes. If they're choosing other majors, then no. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2015
#31
you do not know how hard i had to fight for my two boys RIGHT to be smart while in middle school
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#38
exactly women. i finally went in and read the damn thing, and ya. and the men are saying in this
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#64
I got something completely different from the actual OECD link where they discuss the survey
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#68