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RiverLover

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16. Bill Moyers is no longer the lone wolf on this issue. Love it!

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:05 AM

Mar 2015

Dec 2013

Elizabeth Warren, Third Way and the Battle Over American Liberalism

...But beneath that veneer of tranquility, longstanding political and philosophical differences over the role the government should play in our economy continue to divide Clintonian “New Democrats” from those who embrace a more traditional New Deal style of liberalism. Many observers expect that a day of reckoning between these groups is coming as we approach the 2016 elections.

The contours of that debate are already being drawn. Last week, Third Way — a “centrist” Democratic group with a board of trustees full of Wall Streeters — attacked proposals to expand Social Security and warned Democrats against adopting a “populist” economic agenda. That led to a high-profile dustup with Sen. Elizabeth Warren. ...

http://billmoyers.com/2013/12/11/elizabeth-warren-third-way-and-the-battle-over-american-liberalism/

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DC Centrists (DINOS - which are about 99% of them) Freak Out Over Elizabeth Warren [View all] Triana Mar 2015 OP

The Statement (DINO, 'real Democrats,' etc.) Is Nonsense... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #1

Um, no. blackspade Mar 2015 #12

Um, yes wyldwolf Mar 2015 #14

Then say hello to Pres. Bush. We have one party dedicated to screwing working families, why have 2? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #20

No thanks. And here's why wyldwolf Mar 2015 #24

LOL. Enjoy your Bush. Once there was a guy who promised to walk with unions, end NSA spying, public whereisjustice Mar 2015 #27

^^^ Another example of the alternate universe 'progressives' live in ^^^ wyldwolf Mar 2015 #29

Only a right winger posing as Democrat would call police brutality and racism "liberal" issues whereisjustice Mar 2015 #31

You're a right winger posing as a Democrat? Shhh. Don't brag about it wyldwolf Mar 2015 #33

There's no mistake about who's the wing nut. And it's not me. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #39

It's definitely you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #42

True he sticks out like a sore thumb. Rex Mar 2015 #71

I think this journalist knows him! RiverLover Mar 2015 #172

Always has. n/t QC Mar 2015 #189

Never even notice him until right after the Nov. 4th elections. Rex Mar 2015 #190

He disappears for years at a time and then shows up suddenly QC Mar 2015 #194

OOooohhh I C now. Rex Mar 2015 #197

No problem! n/t QC Mar 2015 #199

Center-right wing. Sadly we have some of those in the party. Rex Mar 2015 #37

Center right? More like full starboard. They come here from Fox to taunt liberals. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #41

I think you are right, they don't even hide or pretend they are progressives Rex Mar 2015 #45

Like small children without an adult to supervise them whereisjustice Mar 2015 #50

True, I guess they are enjoying Spring Break. Rex Mar 2015 #53

They come here from FOX disguised as liberals. But we can see through you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #46

I assure you nobody on this site would accuse you of being a liberal or progressive. Rex Mar 2015 #51

Shows the incredible information perception you have. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #54

Coherent sentence much? Rex Mar 2015 #62

irrelevant reply much? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #68

Yes, they hijack the party and move it right. Broward Mar 2015 #147

Congratulations, and join the club of REAL Democrats around here (like me) being called... George II Mar 2015 #104

The thing is... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #107

"DU has become a cesspool of keyboard slacktivists" Rex Mar 2015 #109

Glad you've admitted you're one of them. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #112

So you admit to it then!? Rex Mar 2015 #114

I admit I'm glad you've admitted to being one. yes! wyldwolf Mar 2015 #121

About time you admit to it! Rex Mar 2015 #126

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #132

Nice projection there! Now I feel a great amount of pity for you. Rex Mar 2015 #152

You've mastered the Pee Wee Herman method of conversation. Congrats! wyldwolf Mar 2015 #158

I know you are but what am I? Rex Mar 2015 #163

I rest my case. You do it without even thinking. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #168

Yes flee like a coward. Rex Mar 2015 #177

Right. They can't make us into right wingers by continually saying so treestar Mar 2015 #180

Center right-wingers seem to be running around with their hair on fire! Rex Mar 2015 #186

But, at least you haven't been call the most evilest of invectives ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #183

Yes that big evil Third Way...I've never seen such poutrage over talking about neoliberals! Rex Mar 2015 #188

No, I typically laugh at it. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #204

Not yet. George II Mar 2015 #207

+1 zeemike Mar 2015 #48

Interesting that people think ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #195

The left? blackspade Mar 2015 #23

Which is irrelevant to the hysterically WRONG use of 'DINO.' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #25

In what way? blackspade Mar 2015 #26

hyperbole much? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #28

That is funny. blackspade Mar 2015 #38

The explain the history to me wyldwolf Mar 2015 #44

Professor is supposed to be some kind of insult? blackspade Mar 2015 #52

Teacher? Sage? Give us that history lesson wyldwolf Mar 2015 #55

I like teacher and sage as well. blackspade Mar 2015 #63

Your second reply and you still avoid answering. LOL. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #65

Your powers of projection are stellar. blackspade Mar 2015 #76

Your powers of irrelevancy and diversion are stellar. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #80

Those words, They don't mean what you think they mean. blackspade Mar 2015 #167

The power of triangulation. zeemike Mar 2015 #58

the hysterics of your irrelevant reply wyldwolf Mar 2015 #72

Well if you don't want an answer you should not ask the question. zeemike Mar 2015 #185

He is so cute using a big boy word over and over! Rex Mar 2015 #92

Every "progressive" candidate? I won't get into the Senate and House, not enough time, but A Simple Game Mar 2015 #200

Easy. Progressive candidates don't lie to the voters. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #202

lol, wait a minute-- Marr Mar 2015 #56

What is repudiated at the polls by the overwhelming preponderance of Democratic voters wyldwolf Mar 2015 #59

No, sorry. Public polling has consistently shown broad and strong support for Marr Mar 2015 #84

We're not discussing 'public polling.' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #85

You just seem to be trolling, so I'm done. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #89

Facts annoy you, I understand. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #101

Yep, exactly. Rex Mar 2015 #193

Ha! I think I will, too. Marr Mar 2015 #209

Good post. cyberswede Mar 2015 #175

"The Left" you know, those of us who get pissed off when 6 cops can't handle an unarmed suspect whereisjustice Mar 2015 #30

+1000 blackspade Mar 2015 #40

Brilliant post. RiverLover Mar 2015 #116

Thanks! blackspade Mar 2015 #171

It's also pushed by the right ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #161

Thanks... +1... PosterChild Mar 2015 #21

Bull - Wallace was nominated overwhelmingly by the Delegates in the first round of voting Hestia Mar 2015 #157

Wallace left and ran third party for President. Read a history book. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #162

Excellent rejoinder. blackspade Mar 2015 #191

Nonsense, and offensive, and the subject line is itching for an argument! George II Mar 2015 #178

It's All About Money billhicks76 Mar 2015 #220

"(DC) is a swamp of corruption where many influential people live comfortably thanks to Wall Street" RiverLover Mar 2015 #2

That was the part that nailed 'em. Triana Mar 2015 #8

Completely agree. Crooks can't go around letting reformists lead - too much money in graft. closeupready Mar 2015 #79

That is it exactly. It is the efforts of Wall St combined with the demands of the shareholders. raouldukelives Mar 2015 #88

Perhaps it is the backers of Warren who are the DINO's are freaking out. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #3

One of the commenters fredamae Mar 2015 #4

Yes, funded by the same oligarchs MsLeopard Mar 2015 #18

The leadership alone controls? treestar Mar 2015 #36

I kinda see it a bit differently fredamae Mar 2015 #66

They would not get re-elected treestar Mar 2015 #117

I believe we are seeing the fredamae Mar 2015 #187

Great post! +1 RiverLover Mar 2015 #192

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #215

K&R.... daleanime Mar 2015 #5

Interesting article, would you please post this in the Elizabeth Warren Group? Autumn Mar 2015 #6

When they call themselves the 'New Democrat Coalition'.... blackspade Mar 2015 #7

Exactly. Pfft. n/t Triana Mar 2015 #9

Wow! A Point that fredamae Mar 2015 #19

Hey Triana, RiverLover Mar 2015 #10

DONE! n/t Triana Mar 2015 #11

Awesome! RiverLover Mar 2015 #13

She is a threat to their income / payola / campaign money. L0oniX Mar 2015 #15

Bill Moyers is no longer the lone wolf on this issue. Love it! RiverLover Mar 2015 #16

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #17

The New Democrats want your vote but refuse to represent, they feel they are entitled to your cash whereisjustice Mar 2015 #22

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Mar 2015 #32

Fascinating how quickly they jump in, isn't it? Almost as if they receive some sort of signal. RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #67

LOL! Rex Mar 2015 #108

Warren is not a threat except in the sense treestar Mar 2015 #34

^^ This ^^ wyldwolf Mar 2015 #35

you think only wall street CEOs should select a candidate, don't people get to choose? whereisjustice Mar 2015 #43

That's what we have primaries for wyldwolf Mar 2015 #47

Just like when HRC beat Obama with a wide lead...oh right Rex Mar 2015 #49

But Obama wasn't a 'progressive.' Obama: 'I am a New Democrat' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #57

Reality is he ran on a liberal platform to get voted into office. Rex Mar 2015 #60

How so? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #61

Coherent sentence much? Rex Mar 2015 #64

irrelevant reply much? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #69

avoidance of question much? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #70

Aww did I hurt it's feelings? Rex Mar 2015 #73

And you sink further into irrelevancy wyldwolf Mar 2015 #82

Wow you can use a big boy word a few times! Rex Mar 2015 #91

And you can be irrelevant consistently wyldwolf Mar 2015 #94

Awww I hurt it's little feelings! Rex Mar 2015 #95

Awww! I hurt it's little feelings! wyldwolf Mar 2015 #125

+1 treestar Mar 2015 #129

Why would you think that? treestar Mar 2015 #128

Center right-wingers seem to be running around with their hair on fire! Rex Mar 2015 #134

Now your replies are getting identical lol treestar Mar 2015 #149

You're just being unpleasant treestar Mar 2015 #124

Center right-wingers seem to be running around with their hair on fire! Rex Mar 2015 #130

Nonresponsive treestar Mar 2015 #136

Rex is good at posting irrelevant replies. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #140

It seems to be a hobby. eom treestar Mar 2015 #145

Exactly. Rex wants one appointed because one can't win electorally. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #137

Dream on. You just want your pony in the race and nobody elses, because you hate democracy. Rex Mar 2015 #170

Wow are you projecting ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2015 #221

That's the stinkiest pile of bull hockey posted lately. berni_mccoy Mar 2015 #74

Another centrist-right winger shows up to tell me I am wrong. Rex Mar 2015 #78

I would never do such a thing. berni_mccoy Mar 2015 #83

You should stop trying to read minds, you suck at it. Rex Mar 2015 #93

Of course you're right. Marr Mar 2015 #97

Shhhhh....reality and facts bother the center-right wing of the party. Rex Mar 2015 #106

True those claiming to be "betrayed" are not credible unless they treestar Mar 2015 #154

oh he ran from to the left in the primaries hfojvt Mar 2015 #205

Stop playing the victim treestar Mar 2015 #122

Aww did you get a sadz? Rex Mar 2015 #138

I'm not pissed off treestar Mar 2015 #142

Obviously you are irate, nobody asked you to chime in here. Rex Mar 2015 #150

I said I wasn't treestar Mar 2015 #160

Obviously you are very irate now. Rex Mar 2015 #165

This is really silly treestar Mar 2015 #173

Don't be annoyed at the fact that you are irate, just get it out of your system. Rex Mar 2015 #184

You're looking dumber and dumber treestar Mar 2015 #211

+1 treestar Mar 2015 #120

How did you extrapolate that from what I posted? treestar Mar 2015 #118

As a resident DINO (in many people's eyes) let me just say: your opinion doesn't matter brooklynite Mar 2015 #75

In that case, the "New Democrat Coalition" sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #182

...but the left WILL vote... brooklynite Mar 2015 #206

.++ KNR DirkGently Mar 2015 #77

You are correct as evidence keeps popping up in this thread! Rex Mar 2015 #81

you've certainly shown evidence wyldwolf Mar 2015 #87

Thank you for continuing to show your hatred for liberals and progressives! Rex Mar 2015 #90

Thank you for continuing to show your lack of knowledge wyldwolf Mar 2015 #98

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #99

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #102

So post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #110

"So" post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #113

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #115

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #119

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #123

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #127

See post #90 Rex Mar 2015 #131

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #133

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #139

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #141

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #144

See post #1 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #148

See post # 90 Rex Mar 2015 #156

Actually, it's not hatred. It's arrogance RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #105

Well said! Rex Mar 2015 #111

When is that going to translate into votes? treestar Mar 2015 #164

The victim card again? treestar Mar 2015 #135

Repeat yourself much? You can take your center-right wing issues up with somebody that cares. Rex Mar 2015 #143

If I am repeating myself you are a pot calling the kettle black treestar Mar 2015 #151

Sure ya don't - you just never seem to notice things when it is inconvenient. Rex Mar 2015 #155

Meaningless. eom treestar Mar 2015 #166

Thank you for describing all your posts to me. Rex Mar 2015 #174

You know I intended to describe your posts treestar Mar 2015 #212

I actually have a theory about that wyldwolf Mar 2015 #146

They really want to lose so they have something to fight for. Rex Mar 2015 #159

+1 treestar Mar 2015 #169

She might actually behave like a real Democrat and fight for the middle class. We can't have that. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #86

Why does she refuse to run for President then? treestar Mar 2015 #176

Let's go people! Demand more from your representatives, don't sit back and let Wall Street whereisjustice Mar 2015 #96

Hillary is the ultimate "Not as Bad", neo-lib, politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #100

Ultimately, the election will be decided by something truly substantive RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #153

If I were Democratic candidate, I'd run to a theater to see "American Sniper" Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #217

Both Suck MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #198

Some people write because if they aren't stirring the pot... Historic NY Mar 2015 #103

As with other people of integrity and conviction, she would have a difficult time TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #179

There should be no more playing nice with these Democratic impostors. Broward Mar 2015 #181

I've been calling the DINOs part of the "Uniparty" MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #196

The problem with this framing is the fact that the largest caucus within the Democratic Party in Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #201

Interesting discussion there, well put. One word of caution in today's DU environment - DUCK!!! George II Mar 2015 #210

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #216

Another great post from you in what has to quite possibly be the dumbest most embarassing thread Number23 Mar 2015 #218

She talks about it pretty openly in her book. Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #223

Warren is a treasure for our party and nation. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #203

Here's an interesting development that should irk all those anti-"corporatists", etc..... George II Mar 2015 #208

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #213

Kick (and to the thread in general, LBJ was a New Deal Democrat) Babel_17 Mar 2015 #214

When GREED rules all... nikto Mar 2015 #219

pretending to be morally pure. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #222