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Maedhros

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252. Here's what I found:

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 05:29 PM

Mar 2015

De Vries J. and W. Wackernagel, "Detection of nptII (kanamycin resistance) Genes in Genomes of Transgenic Plants by Marker-rescue Transformation," Mol Gen Genet 257 (1998), 606-613.

Doerfler W., R. Schubbert, H. Heller, C. Kamner, K. Hilger-Eversheim, M. Knoblauch, and R. Remus, “Integration of Foreign DNA and its Consequences in Mammalian Systems,” TIBTECH 15 (1997), 297-301.

Ewen, S.W. and A. Pusztai, “Effects of Diets Containing Genetically Modified Potatoes Expressing Galanthus nivalis Lectin on Rat Small Intestine,” Lancet 354 (1999), 1353-1354.

The relevance of gene transfer to the safety of food and feed derived from genetically modified (GM) plants. (http://www.ask-force.org/web/Food/VanDenEede-Gene-Transfer-2004.pdf)

From this discussion (from the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research), it appears that there is a significant body of research around epigenetic effects and GMO safety: http://www.gmo-safety.eu/debate/490.epigenetic-effects-occur-hybridisation.html

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A challenge to all GMO supporters. [View all] SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 OP

Silence is golden SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #1

Shaka. When the walls fell� MattBaggins Mar 2015 #2

Chenza at court, the court of silence. Liberal Veteran Mar 2015 #3

Uzani, his army with fists open Oktober Mar 2015 #5

Darmok and Gillad On The Ocean ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #16

Maybe this just seems like a really crummy game and people don't want play it. nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #7

A real discussion does not serve some issues. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #8

You have already declared yourself the winner MattBaggins Mar 2015 #11

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #14

Well it's your game - maybe you should try an invent a better one? el_bryanto Mar 2015 #18

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #19

I'm glad you enjoyed - fortunately I don't really care so I don't mind losing. nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #20

Pretty much. That our genes are promiscuous in digestion is an odd idea. Liberal Veteran Mar 2015 #10

non sequitur - you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #13

No, it seems to be a restatement of your challenge question. Orsino Mar 2015 #151

here SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #158

That's fascinating. Orsino Mar 2015 #183

You really should properly credit someone elses work. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #192

done several time in this thread. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #199

I agree. You have plagarized multiple times in this thread. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #201

He has demonstrated a habit of misquoting and misattributing quotes. Orrex Mar 2015 #202

Come now. I start with a slow pitch softball. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #4

Darmok? Rai and Jiri at Lungha. MattBaggins Mar 2015 #9

Monsanto says GMO's are safe. Zorra Mar 2015 #6

Honest question -- Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #12

Do you have any understanding of epigenetics? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #15

I asked an honest question, admitted as much and even openly declared my laity. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #17

You question was very simple and one many of us wouldn't be willing to ask. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #22

I've seen this sort before. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #25

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #32

"you lose" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #34

want to debate this topic? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #35

want more information? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #33

sorry i did not answer as quickly as you would have liked SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #26

You did answer. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #28

just wanted to know where to start - very sorry for any wrong words SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #24

You want to have a real exploration of the issue - and then call that exploration a game el_bryanto Mar 2015 #50

that is three - your out SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #55

Because they think they have a "gotcha!", and are desperate to use it. jeff47 Mar 2015 #74

you lose Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #78

Damnit! Now I'll never get any points! jeff47 Mar 2015 #82

I'm pretty sure you can come up with some more rules. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #21

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #29

Wow, some rules you got there. Reminds me of my old boss and B Calm Mar 2015 #23

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #30

If you need some help... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #27

GMO stands for Good Money for Oligarchs. nt valerief Mar 2015 #31

Any takers for any structured debate? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #36

Loser here: Do you think you understand the complexities of your question? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #37

You lose. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #39

Crap! Feel like that hot cheerleader just turned down my invite to the prom. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #41

i stayed at the holiday inn SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #42

Unless you understand the science, you cannot discuss it. So I ask again... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #44

I understand very little - but I try SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #138

I'm reminded of an SNL skit. Brickbat Mar 2015 #38

. Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #40

bzzzt! LOSER! bwahahahaha wyldwolf Mar 2015 #43

sounds like a 72 duster SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #47

There's a method to this... Oktober Mar 2015 #196

Do you have any concerns about any GMO's? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #197

How many times........ NCTraveler Mar 2015 #45

Sounds like a question for Skittles. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #48

In science, people making the positive claim have to prove the claim. jeff47 Mar 2015 #46

your wait is over SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #49

So you are aware your question is meaningless? jeff47 Mar 2015 #54

bing can be your friend SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #56

Doesn't matter what I want. You don't want one. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #58

Oh, I've seen the gnomes. I will be ready next time..... Inkfreak Mar 2015 #117

The OP made no such claim. The OP only asked a question. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #99

The OP is asking for proof of a negative. jeff47 Mar 2015 #100

Can you point to a single study in answer to his question? Don't you think it would be a good idea pnwmom Mar 2015 #102

Considering there is no study of epigenetic effects of nutrition jeff47 Mar 2015 #105

To the contrary, there have been multiple studies of epigenetic effects of nutrition. pnwmom Mar 2015 #108

Except that study doesn't say what you think it does. jeff47 Mar 2015 #111

The researchers disagree with you. They don't think it's a simple function of fewer calories leading pnwmom Mar 2015 #118

GMO Bombing Thread. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #51

thanks for your most valuable contributions SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #208

Bet you're a hoot at parties. Throd Mar 2015 #52

thanks for your most valuable contributions SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #61

LOL ! GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #79

There's writings out there I'm not competent to judge Fumesucker Mar 2015 #53

Nah, they just picked out some keywords that sounded good. jeff47 Mar 2015 #57

Meh, I thought the name ISIS was rather unfortunate.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #59

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #66

Fun game, eh? Let's see if anyone bothers to follow your MineralMan Mar 2015 #60

want to set rules for a real debate? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #62

Not really. MineralMan Mar 2015 #63

thank you for your enlightened guidence SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #64

You're quite welcome. MineralMan Mar 2015 #65

Sure Major Nikon Mar 2015 #123

WHY SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #124

... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #126

I am interested. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #127

I really have zero interest in answering questions with someone who refuses to reciprocate Major Nikon Mar 2015 #129

Who are you? What do you think? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #131

Danth's Law Major Nikon Mar 2015 #67

you want to set the rules? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #69

Sure, and they aren't all that complicated Major Nikon Mar 2015 #73

Thank you - if you want more info let me know - or tell me it is time to ask my question SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #80

Damn, you already lost. jeff47 Mar 2015 #86

Yes, noted Major Nikon Mar 2015 #91

And God steps in to make her ruling - thanks SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #94

I'm satisfied you aren't going to answer reasonable questions Major Nikon Mar 2015 #122

I do want more information Major Nikon Mar 2015 #90

Again - Many Thanks - I am going to eat now (GMO corn sad to say) be back soon SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #101

I should point out that you are asking another question without having answered the previous one Major Nikon Mar 2015 #106

You are so very kind. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #112

Perhaps Major Nikon Mar 2015 #116

I gave you many links SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #119

My google works just fine also Major Nikon Mar 2015 #121

naturalnews... SidDithers Mar 2015 #185

Thanks for droping a turd and running. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #200

Dude. naturalnews... SidDithers Mar 2015 #211

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #215

Make sure you check out Mike Adam's expose on the mysterious fibers in Chicken McNuggets... SidDithers Mar 2015 #220

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #225

Coming from the poster who thinks naturalnews is scientifically credible... SidDithers Mar 2015 #230

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #234

Whoa, settle down there, skippy... SidDithers Mar 2015 #248

Interesting, you must have thought about this OP for a while. Rex Mar 2015 #68

no - I am very tired of unstructured garbage SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #70

As you can see, most of the discussion is informal here and people are not Rex Mar 2015 #71

indeed RussBLib Mar 2015 #75

+1 -- would be a nice change indeed n/t GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #173

People should be able to eat what they want Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #72

Problem is we've done such a poor job with education jeff47 Mar 2015 #81

THE GRAND BIG FOREVER LOSE SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #88

You mean I can't group them together like you did in the OP? jeff47 Mar 2015 #93

Thank you for being so very helpful SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #96

You mean like no-till farming? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #95

no-till SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #104

He also uses the term "pesticide" incorrectly GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #175

THIS THREAD IS FULL OF LOSE !!1!! elehhhhna Mar 2015 #177

You could be right, Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #92

If the label was "glyphosate resistant", I wouldn't mind. jeff47 Mar 2015 #97

I think we've found a point of agreement. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #113

I'd like a label that says, "fertilized with cow shit" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #125

Probably none sharp_stick Mar 2015 #76

nope SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #84

Sure it will sharp_stick Mar 2015 #85

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #142

What is the name of the study? Rex Mar 2015 #139

not looking at the food SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #146

I see, from the waste and industrial runoff I am guessing. Rex Mar 2015 #148

K&R immoderate Mar 2015 #77

My question for GMO defenders has also been met with complete silence. cheapdate Mar 2015 #83

I agree that you believe in your stated opinion. Liberal Veteran Mar 2015 #87

I'll rephrase the question. cheapdate Mar 2015 #153

Answers jeff47 Mar 2015 #89

The subject was limited to crops that have been genetically engineered cheapdate Mar 2015 #182

And I provided a more complete answer. jeff47 Mar 2015 #189

Equating selective breeding with modern genetic engineering is not a valid proposition. cheapdate Mar 2015 #233

No problem Major Nikon Mar 2015 #98

You ask a good question, since research has shown the epigenetic effects of nutrition. pnwmom Mar 2015 #103

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #107

What make you think GMO would be any different than any other food in this regard? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #110

What makes you think genetically modified food would be the same? pnwmom Mar 2015 #134

I asked you first Major Nikon Mar 2015 #136

It has been modified -- in different ways, depending on the food. Therefore it is not the same. pnwmom Mar 2015 #137

So you really think all the produce you eat has never been modified? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #141

No, I don't think that. In fact, I know it's not true because most corn, for example, pnwmom Mar 2015 #160

"there's no way to avoid it, if I wanted to" Major Nikon Mar 2015 #161

Are you not aware that the GMO producers have been fighting for the right pnwmom Mar 2015 #163

So this means you are unable to get non-GMO foods today? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #164

It means that the millions of people who can't afford more expensive organic foods pnwmom Mar 2015 #172

None of this matters regarding your assertion Major Nikon Mar 2015 #178

It has been modified before but not genetically modified to withstand large doses of pesticides. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #179

Food was routinely doused in all sorts of pesticides long before GMOs came along Major Nikon Mar 2015 #180

And now it's being doused in even more. Overall pesticide use is up pnwmom Mar 2015 #181

Wrong Major Nikon Mar 2015 #187

Wouldn't the difference be between something that naturally occurs in nature Rex Mar 2015 #143

Gene transfer also happens in nature Major Nikon Mar 2015 #152

Thanks for the link, that makes a lot of sense to me. I am ignorant on this topic. Rex Mar 2015 #156

Answer to your question Android3.14 Mar 2015 #109

Ding Ding Ding SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #114

Winner. n/t Orsino Mar 2015 #135

Oh my gosh Android3.14 Mar 2015 #149

However, despite the faceplant of the OP, it does contain a good question... Orsino Mar 2015 #150

I'm the same way, knowledge-wise Android3.14 Mar 2015 #154

Well, yeah. Orsino Mar 2015 #184

just to be sure of what you are talking about DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #115

Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #120

What do you mean by "GMO supporters"? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #128

Very good question. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #130

or you could define the term you are using in your OP. Scootaloo Mar 2015 #132

WOW - another very good observation. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #133

You lose! I win! DanTex Mar 2015 #140

Your brilliant observations have enlightened us all. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #144

You're welcome! Woo-hoo! Victory! DanTex Mar 2015 #147

Well... gcomeau Mar 2015 #145

Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #155

Sigh... gcomeau Mar 2015 #165

ready for my next question? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #166

If you really want more punishment... gcomeau Mar 2015 #168

why are you interested in this topic? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #170

I'm generally interested in all scientific topics. gcomeau Mar 2015 #171

yes SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #174

Would you have preferred an answer other than the truth? gcomeau Mar 2015 #190

I call BULL SHIT SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #198

YOU LOSE gcomeau Mar 2015 #210

i answered - you did not like the answer SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #214

No you did not. gcomeau Mar 2015 #218

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #224

Keep telling yourself that... gcomeau Mar 2015 #227

Nicely done... SidDithers Mar 2015 #193

What floors me... gcomeau Mar 2015 #194

It's why I almost never take the time to engage posters like that anymore... SidDithers Mar 2015 #195

Put up or shut up? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #203

Not with someone who considers naturalnews to be credible... SidDithers Mar 2015 #213

you have not answered the question - that makes you a loser in this game SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #217

Misinformed or lazy? Which is it?... SidDithers Mar 2015 #222

you lose again SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #223

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and go with intellectually lazy...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #231

I challenge you. Put up or shut up. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #235

I asked a simple question - there is a simple answer SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #209

There is indeed a simple answer. The one I gave you. gcomeau Mar 2015 #212

lets talk about "Scientific ignorance" SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #216

I've already seen how you play your "games". gcomeau Mar 2015 #219

this is my sandbox SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #226

Wasn't playing Captain Perceptive. gcomeau Mar 2015 #228

you lose SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #229

Guess that answers the OCD question... -eom gcomeau Mar 2015 #232

so you are a rude disruptor SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #236

I played your game. gcomeau Mar 2015 #238

do you have a thinking problem SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #241

Sorry but gcomeau Mar 2015 #243

last word -be well SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #245

Well done! Links added below. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #167

nice post SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #169

A collection... gcomeau Mar 2015 #191

My touchstone on the subject is Dr. Arpad Pusztai (along with his recommended site, GMwatch.org). proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #221

Well... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #162

A wet bird never flies at night HERVEPA Mar 2015 #157

Words that will change the lives of millions. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #159

I could rec this a thousand times! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #176

The funny thing is (yes, I gladly "lose") you imagine you're asking a great question. n/t Silent3 Mar 2015 #186

Only a sick sad mind thinks this is a "funny" thing SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #188

Better than dropping a turd for an OP and being so immensely proud of it. Silent3 Mar 2015 #237

want to have a real conversation? SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #239

Yes, I'd love to. Silent3 Mar 2015 #240

your kindness is overwhelming SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #242

Can I lose too? zappaman Mar 2015 #204

Thank you for the incredibly valuable contribution. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #205

SoLeftIAmRight, you've got them covered and frustrated. ffr Mar 2015 #206

I have twenty questions waiting for them... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #207

Rules of your game are unless we follow your rules you can call us losers? Ironic much? nt uppityperson Mar 2015 #244

Why have you wasted our time SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #246

So we are not only losers but Bud drinkers, Walmart shoppers, & my 17 words wasted your time? uppityperson Mar 2015 #250

Can I lose again? zappaman Mar 2015 #247

Kick... SidDithers Mar 2015 #249

Looks like you lost. zappaman Mar 2015 #251

Here's what I found: Maedhros Mar 2015 #252

Kick... SidDithers Mar 2015 #253