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138. You're conflating Muslim with Islam

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:06 PM

Mar 2015

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A Muslim is a human being. Islam is a religion. Muslims generally are decent people, like most everybody else in this world. I see no reason to like Islam. It's a religion and it holds humanity back – the same with Judaism and Christianity. All religions are based on myths.

Usually it's the bigots that make this mistake and use their excessive hatred of Islam as an excuse to hate Muslims. Now that's bigotry, and usually it's cover for racism. Often these same people have a difficult time understanding why our aggressive wars against Muslims are evil and wrong, but they then blame Muslims for allegedly being so violent. These bigots aren't self-aware.

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So, bigots, if Islam is so horrible, why aren't you walking or biking to work? [View all] closeupready Mar 2015 OP

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Islam is horrible? philosslayer Mar 2015 #10

Islam is awful, and so is Christianity and Judaism ... Trajan Mar 2015 #11

Amen. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #13

i don't know why your post was hidden. samsingh Mar 2015 #28

That was a bad hide, PeaceNikki. Codeine Mar 2015 #38

Yes, it was. Jury got it very wrong this time. eom eissa Mar 2015 #63

Okay, now I get it... Quantess Mar 2015 #75

What a shitty hide on your post... SidDithers Mar 2015 #165

Jury Results Codeine Mar 2015 #34

Jinx! AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #37

Great Minds! nt Codeine Mar 2015 #40

I was a juror who voted LEAVE IT, although I know I wrote a comment. Quantess Mar 2015 #50

Not do do with this subject but - LiberalElite Mar 2015 #153

And I agree with the jury here, but also the jury who hid PeaceNikki's post. closeupready Mar 2015 #70

That's pretty smug of you. Quantess Mar 2015 #94

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #97

I AM STUPID. Thanks. Quantess Mar 2015 #113

You sure can dish it out, can't you? But you can't take it back. Noted. closeupready Mar 2015 #114

What? You are a ridiculous person. Quantess Mar 2015 #117

Hey genius. I have read The Emperor's New Clothes. You seem pretty stupid yourself. Quantess Mar 2015 #120

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #116

So, see what you did there? mountain grammy Mar 2015 #139

Juror number 3 checking in with your results. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #36

What a terrible alert dissentient Mar 2015 #67

There's a difference between having legitimate grievances with a religion... philosslayer Mar 2015 #110

"Insensitive" language is not allowed on DU. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #158

agree.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #140

Yes it is katsy Mar 2015 #126

Yeah I don't think that should have been hidden treestar Mar 2015 #144

Yes. My post criticizes an organized religion, a set of beliefs. You insult me personally... nice. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #12

Yes, and you insult 1.6 billion people philosslayer Mar 2015 #18

not good. personal insults are not acceptable. samsingh Mar 2015 #31

I insulted no one philosslayer Mar 2015 #41

They are absolutely not the same. She is anti-religion period, not anti-Islam. She is just as much stevenleser Mar 2015 #47

Well you see, I'm not a mind reader philosslayer Mar 2015 #62

I get that if you didnt know her you wouldnt know that. Its a shame its hidden because stevenleser Mar 2015 #64

"vitriol"...? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #77

Religious people such as yourelf can quibble over which religion is 'best' or 'worst' those Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #98

Maybe you should read what she is responding to. Lordquinton Mar 2015 #131

I didn't "get lucky on an alert" philosslayer Mar 2015 #141

So if Rev. Graham hates atheists as much as Muslims, then it's ok? stone space Mar 2015 #146

No, if Rev Graham was disgusted by all religions, the reference would be valid. Where did you get stevenleser Mar 2015 #159

Your position seems be that it's OK... stone space Mar 2015 #160

No, that is not what my position seems to be. Read my first post in this thread. stevenleser Mar 2015 #161

It is possible to be biogoted against both... stone space Mar 2015 #162

No, you are desperately trying to push a narrative that simply isn't there. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #163

You are arguing that one bigotry excuses another. stone space Mar 2015 #166

No, I'm not, that's the narrative you are desperately trying to push that isn't there. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #167

No, it's an arguement that you are desperately trying to push. stone space Mar 2015 #169

Nope, I never said that and have no idea why you are completely not getting what I wrote. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #170

Does bigotry against Christians excuse bigotry against Muslims? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #173

No, and I never said it did. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #174

Can you help me understand why you feel... Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #82

The original post, which stated "Islam is horrible"... philosslayer Mar 2015 #87

I'm asking about your response which asserts ... Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #89

We are on DU philosslayer Mar 2015 #90

Mistreatment of women and LGBT people is wrong, no matter what name you give to your ritualized Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #100

Thank you for answering my question. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #130

We insult billions of people every day here. BFD. progressoid Mar 2015 #124

you make good points. samsingh Mar 2015 #30

jury results Trillo Mar 2015 #88

All of the abrahamic religions are generally horrible. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #127

America only gets @ 8% of its oil from KSA riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #2

Sounds like an unwitting argument for Keystone./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #3

It's XL, not NT KamaAina Mar 2015 #17

DUzy. FSogol Mar 2015 #46

But none of the Keystone oil will be going to the US. Its all going overseas. Erose999 Mar 2015 #48

I try to limit my fuel consumption because I like the planet, not because I dislike theocracies, PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #4

It's hard to take any post that starts with "So, bigots, . . ." seriously. nt el_bryanto Mar 2015 #5

There's a contingent here who love to holler "bigot" riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #35

True, my theory is the air is thinner up there when they are on their high horses. FSogol Mar 2015 #44

Yeah, I was the recipient of the "bigot" label by this poster, too. eissa Mar 2015 #65

So then, don't. Simple, see? Nobody is obliged to even notice my opening post. closeupready Mar 2015 #74

Most of the people that do not live in a city do not have a lot of choices. In the area we live in jwirr Mar 2015 #6

I'm glad you have that service, how did it come about? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #39

Years ago the local CAP program created a tax subsidized system using small buses to transport the jwirr Mar 2015 #69

Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries in the world for gay rights dissentient Mar 2015 #7

Not to mention how women are cwydro Mar 2015 #55

Wait. Who you mad at? Iggo Mar 2015 #8

Essentially anybody who who uses (private) or (public) transit./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #20

Every time you drive your car you show tacit support for beheadings. Throd Mar 2015 #9

... cwydro Mar 2015 #14

What if you ride the bus?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #15

Depends on how many other riders are on the bus to properly calculate guilt. Throd Mar 2015 #24

Los Angeles ' buses run on natural gas, so DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #25

So you support Putin. Throd Mar 2015 #29

Throd cwydro Mar 2015 #52

Not every car... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #42

No one around here is claiming Islam is horrible. I'm hoping your post is directed at lurking BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #16

Look closer philosslayer Mar 2015 #21

I didn't think that poster meant Islam but rather the terrorists posing as followers of the faith. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #33

But a hide was still a harsh... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #53

I like that sentiment, Whiskeytide. BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #60

Allow me to quote you to demonstrate why Religious folks are not beloved by all minority groups Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #102

Is a post that says "Hinduism is horrible" or "Judaism horrible" OK if you make a later post saying Chathamization Mar 2015 #95

The issue of majority v minority... Whiskeytide Mar 2015 #184

It's very much a majority vs. minority, or "privilege" (as people like to refer to it here) issue Chathamization Mar 2015 #185

you are on a public message board not in a pew snooper2 Mar 2015 #106

Actually, the very first person to reply to the post did just that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #23

a lot of people are being killed in the name of islam samsingh Mar 2015 #32

A lot of people have been killed in the name of Christianity too philosslayer Mar 2015 #43

my point is clear - there are not alot of Churches samsingh Mar 2015 #49

How subjective. I suppose as long as it works for you, and is fine with most here, closeupready Mar 2015 #80

how is it subjective - what's been happening since 911? samsingh Mar 2015 #91

Subjective is drawing an arbitrary line in the sands of time. closeupready Mar 2015 #101

so why compare Christianity of the crusades to isis today? samsingh Mar 2015 #112

Arbitrary? Really? ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #123

I haven't been to enough churches to know what they are preaching. stone space Mar 2015 #171

Psychos use all sorts of excuses to 'explain' their atrocities. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #45

psychos don't get support such as samsingh Mar 2015 #51

I would suggest that many of them do. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #56

true on those idiots samsingh Mar 2015 #92

Rhinodawg's account was revoked, but he was just one of many here closeupready Mar 2015 #68

If by "around here" you mean within your own arm's length, sure Scootaloo Mar 2015 #128

Islam is horrible Matrosov Mar 2015 #135

I can't ride a bike with this damned robe on! randome Mar 2015 #19

Really? Your sense of humor includes ridiculing Muslim traditional clothes? Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #54

Oh, I've been ridiculing the segregationist aspect of clothing for a long time. randome Mar 2015 #57

Some cultures? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #66

Yes, they are. But for most people, their clothing does not also broadcast their religion. randome Mar 2015 #73

You could say the same thing about people who wear shirts with pink triangles. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #78

Now you're supporting Nazis? I'M KIDDING! randome Mar 2015 #84

Ok, then compare it to people wearing crucifixes or yarmulkes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #93

Point. It's also a more innocuous symbol. randome Mar 2015 #96

Hence, the distinction lies only in the degree? LanternWaste Mar 2015 #99

Well, I get offended every time I see Laura Ingram with that big fucking cross around her neck snooper2 Mar 2015 #107

Nothing objective about it. Just my opinion. randome Mar 2015 #121

How exactly does that work? stone space Mar 2015 #143

Already addressed in post #96 and forward. randome Mar 2015 #145

when "traditional clothes" are specifically meant NM_Birder Mar 2015 #175

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before. randome Mar 2015 #176

"traditional muslim clothing", for women anyway... is not meant as a means to promote NM_Birder Mar 2015 #177

Actually everytime you fill up your gas tank, the conservative base in Houston Texas thanks you. Rex Mar 2015 #22

what does that have to do with anything ? so does Texas, Canada, UK, .... samsingh Mar 2015 #26

My oil comes from canadian tar sands Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #27

Another OP proudly lowering the level of discourse on DU Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #58

3 to 3.5 ours a day comutting on a bicycle is unacceptable. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #59

Sounds more like an argument for domestic oil production. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #61

We import more oil by far from Canada than Saudi Arabia jberryhill Mar 2015 #71

The Canadians thank me. Kaleva Mar 2015 #72

I ask the same question of people that use illegal drugs. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #76

Explain further, please. nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #137

Are you an American citizen? The Saudis are our allies. arcane1 Mar 2015 #79

I don't understand your counterpoint. Can you explain? closeupready Mar 2015 #81

It wasn't really meant as a counterpoint arcane1 Mar 2015 #83

Oh, okay - completely agree. In contrast with others, however, Islam is just another closeupready Mar 2015 #85

Agreed, on all counts n/t arcane1 Mar 2015 #86

How do you think Shiites view your assertion that 'Islam' is a word meaning 'Sunni Saudi Arab'? Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #103

Your thoughts are scattered all over the place. closeupready Mar 2015 #105

No, my questions are very clear. As is your resorting instantly to personal attack when questioned. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #109

I'm just not going to bicker with you. So carry on, if you wish, closeupready Mar 2015 #111

In life there are many contradictions. And despite what some say here Islam is not terrible. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #104

In a religious context, 'terrible' has several connatations, Psalm 47, verse 2 in the KJV says: Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #115

Thats an interesting and fair assessment. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #119

What a strange thread. First, it pre-supposes that we are all bigots. Second, it postulates that MADem Mar 2015 #108

I'm flabbergasted. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #134

I don't understand how liberals can defend Islam today. Marr Mar 2015 #118

Well, how many muslims here in the US do you know? closeupready Mar 2015 #122

Ten or so... mostly Turks. Why? /nt Marr Mar 2015 #136

You're conflating Muslim with Islam cpwm17 Mar 2015 #138

"Islam is horrible" is not the same thing as "I want Muslims to suffer". Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Mar 2015 #129

I think all religions are horrible, what do you suggest I do? FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #132

Islam is explicitly bigoted... MellowDem Mar 2015 #133

Read the Koran, it is terrible. Shoulders of Giants Mar 2015 #142

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read this morning. 99Forever Mar 2015 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #148

Why? 99Forever Mar 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #150

You replied to MY post. 99Forever Mar 2015 #151

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?... SidDithers Mar 2015 #152

I thought the same thing. pintobean Mar 2015 #155

Curious: "We have more oil reserves in the US than we need. We could only use US oil and be fine.." Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #154

Because the traffic is really bad. oneshooter Mar 2015 #156

Because I work nine miles out in the country... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #157

Islam is wonderful!!... SidDithers Mar 2015 #164

A lesbian, an atheist, and two Muslim women walked into a restaurant. jobycom Mar 2015 #178

Religious moderates provide cover for religious extremists. To that I say... SidDithers Mar 2015 #179

The illusion of religious extremism provides excuses for bigots. jobycom Mar 2015 #180

Religion, at it's core, is bigotry...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #181

Some Religions Lancero Mar 2015 #182

Nah. It's an excuse bigots use, but it isn't bigotry. Bigots can use anything as an excuse. jobycom Mar 2015 #183

Who are you talking to? ileus Mar 2015 #168

Big coal and big oil thank you for the NM_Birder Mar 2015 #172