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MADem

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101. Bush's team deleted emails. They used the system to get around archiving.

Reply to DisgustipatedinCA (Original post)

Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:30 AM

Mar 2015

HRC used her system to communicate with people WITHIN the State Department system . She wasn't trying to get around archiving, or to operate outside the system. She was on the road and wanted a system that WORKED, which the .gov system couldn't claim. Also, unlike BushCo, her system wasn't built and paid for by a political party.

I don't see ANY parallels--I see someone trying to do their job with an antiquated system. Colin Powell did the same damn thing, for the same damn reason.

I do see a coordinated media attempt to smear HRC for doing nothing wrong, though.

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I set the Way Back machine to see what we thought about Bush's private emails [View all] DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 OP

Countdown to the "you're just a Hilary hater" responses in 5...4... truebrit71 Mar 2015 #1

Admittedly, I do not support her candidacy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #8

Uh oh! HappyMe Mar 2015 #2

Not a label I want, but I won't bother trying to counter it. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #5

Absolutely. HappyMe Mar 2015 #9

Ooh nooo....'The List' Segami Mar 2015 #95

Bush's emails were deleted. Hillary's has been preserved at the State Dept all along. leftofcool Mar 2015 #4

Um, no. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #6

True. And any emails Sec. Clinton sent to other Depts are on each Dept's server. KeepItReal Mar 2015 #12

What is inexplicable is if this was malum in se why didn't somebody say... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #17

Exactly, or any emails with the Bilderbergers for tin-foil types... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14

That would be great... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26

But when we're forced to braid in reality we sorta have to go with it... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #32

braid? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #33

Narratives are woven...the idea is to pull together events and interpretations HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #36

Ah, ok. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #37

Oh, stop making sense!! How dare you get in the way of the Under The Bus Brigade! nt MADem Mar 2015 #102

LOL! You just proved my entire point. Thanks. leftofcool Mar 2015 #30

I understand email servers very well. I do not understand your statement. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #35

All emails sent to and from Hillary's private server to the State Department are archived leftofcool Mar 2015 #60

You have a point, IF and ONLY IF Hillary never sent State-related emails outside of state.gov. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #62

State does have a copy. And she didn't put classified emails on her home server, pnwmom Mar 2015 #42

OK. I hadn't seen anything claiming that she gave State all of her emails. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #44

She gave State 55,000 emails when it asked her -- and all the other former S.o.S.'s-- for them. pnwmom Mar 2015 #50

I don't know. Someone should have advised her against doing this. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #64

how about hillary's email to officials from other states? or her emails to other officials, period? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #98

I guess she will suffer the same fate at the ballot box as George Walker Bush./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7

It was illegal for the Bushies and for Clinton. But, the RecordsAct has no teeth for noncompliance. leveymg Mar 2015 #10

Nothing remarkable about this... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #11

You've just provided a working definition of hypocrisy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #21

It's human nature... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #22

That may be, but it's still not acceptable. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #24

As long as two sides are of roughly equal strength I am not going to allow the other side to use... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #25

Republicans tell lots of lies. Do you also like to keep that tool at your disposal? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #27

If my opponent lied about me to gain an unfair or undeserved advantage I would have no problem... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #29

You'd lie to restore status quo? OK. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #34

I don't really care about private emails. DanTex Mar 2015 #13

Hey, we can double standard as good as the GOP!!! Nt Logical Mar 2015 #15

Folks always go back to their respective camps. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18

No, partisans who don't mind being hypocrites do that. Marr Mar 2015 #97

Not to change the subject, but isn't Hillary just awesome. n/t dilby Mar 2015 #16

The Bush administration destroyed sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #19

The part you are glossing over is that there was real suspected wrong doing in that administration. stevenleser Mar 2015 #20

Really? That's what you're going with? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #23

I'm not being snarky but for a person who holds himself out to be a moral exemplar... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #28

I'm not holding myself up as a moral exemplar. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #31

LOL! It would be easy enough to forage through your posting history and find your own hypocrisy- KittyWampus Mar 2015 #38

go ahead, I'll just wait right here. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #41

I am enjoying this conversation DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #57

Hypocrisy is engaging in behavior you withhold from others. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #39

But we should let Republicans roll right over us, correct? treestar Mar 2015 #40

By all means, tell lies to get ahead if that's the way you think you should live your life. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #43

As a rule I don't countenance lying but I'm not going to bring the proverbial knife to a gun fight. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #47

hypocrisy is the most dangerous thing because.... politicman Mar 2015 #105

Hypocrisy is withholding from others behavior you allow for yourself. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #106

Lying is never moral period. politicman Mar 2015 #108

I'm going with the only thing that matters. If that conflicts with your agenda, too bad. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #45

This should sound familiar DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #46

Right off the top of my head, the reasons for going to war in Iraq, a war crime. I'd like to stevenleser Mar 2015 #49

And by the way, does prove a negative in this case mean, you don't know of any wrongdoing but want stevenleser Mar 2015 #68

And what happened to Bush after this was discovered? Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #48

He didn't run for president after it happened. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2015 #54

Help me understand something, I am hearing she didnt follow the rule at State Dept NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #51

All emails from her private server going to the State stays with the State leftofcool Mar 2015 #55

On Lawrence last night he was saying that she didnt follow a new rule, which is when Jennifer NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #58

Lawrence is not an authority on computer security leftofcool Mar 2015 #61

Maybe not, but he is a watchdog on hypocrisy and I trust his instincts there. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #67

Sending and storing State Department communications from/on a personal email server Maedhros Mar 2015 #76

He's in a bad mood--his love life ain't happenin' anymore. MADem Mar 2015 #103

A pizza parlor-- or anyone else not using a State Department email address. Marr Mar 2015 #99

Palin was a subject in 2008, as well n/t Gore1FL Mar 2015 #52

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #53

You seem prostrate and a little twitchy. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #92

Always ready to believe the worst. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #93

Note to all who care to read about the direction this thread has taken. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #56

Well, it is DU and not to be taken seriously. leftofcool Mar 2015 #63

So is lying morally inferior or superior to character assassination DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #65

That was no attempt at character assasination. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #66

Since Mr. Lesser was the victim of the attack he should have a say... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #69

If you feel it was an attack, then alert. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #70

Attacks are so common place at DU that I save my alerts for only the most egregious ones... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #71

If I have a say then it is an ad-hominem character assassination. As are all similar instances. stevenleser Mar 2015 #72

This is what I don't understand... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #73

And that is the other side of it that the administration is grappling with. Of course they knew and stevenleser Mar 2015 #77

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Really dude? First time I heard that pun with my name was from a fellow three year old. stevenleser Mar 2015 #75

I spelled it wrong by accident... Just call me Mr. Moorer./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #78

I know it was an accident on your part. My post was directed at the person with an infantile sense stevenleser Mar 2015 #79

The key to a pleasant DU experience is to approach it with the requisite level of seriousness... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #80

DU is work for you? That explains a lot! nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #87

Let's all be friends... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #89

I think that LWolf Mar 2015 #94

They deleted emails and nothing happened to them. Republican criminals B Calm Mar 2015 #59

Thank you for looking this up. I assumed as much. merrily Mar 2015 #82

Please, let's leave the lack of nuance to the Republicans ok? nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #86

A straightforward post to a poster other than yourself is a problem for you? merrily Mar 2015 #88

Nope, the lack of nuance is. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #90

Whatever. Still won't be changing my posting style to suit you merrily Mar 2015 #91

Style has nothing to do with it. It's your inability to do nuance. Nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #96

Good catch Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #83

It's not a catch. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #85

I remember all that too. bhikkhu Mar 2015 #100

how do we know? politicman Mar 2015 #107

A better question might be - how trusting do we think Hillary is? bhikkhu Mar 2015 #109

to you they are conspiracy theories, to us they are legitimte questions that need credible answers politicman Mar 2015 #110

Bush's team deleted emails. They used the system to get around archiving. MADem Mar 2015 #101

I would also point out Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #104