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ellennelle

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15. no kidding

Sat Mar 7, 2015, 07:55 AM

Mar 2015

there were plenty of folks who knew it was all BS, but MSM was shilling the lies, and only those who bothered to read between the lines and look for authentic reporting had a clue. hell, all you had to do was look at the rest of the world's position. but those in congress were facing accusations of being unpatriotic (ironic now, with the bibi visit, no?), so anyone with a shaky electorate, or hopes for running for prez, these folks had to vote accordingly.

compromise operates on so many levels.

i do care that hillary voted for the AUMF; it did not impress me favorably then, and it still bugs me. too often dems make decisions out of fear of their adversaries rather than respecting and reflecting their own constituents; forget about their own conscience.

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Why I Support Hillary Clinton (show me where I am wrong) [View all] QuestionAlways Mar 2015 OP

I'm sorry, but "she would be the first female president" isn't a reason to support her. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #1

You did not understand what I was trying to say QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #2

im with you there it's all about scotus - that's why it doesnt matter who's the democratic nominee Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #4

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #82

+1 darkangel218 Mar 2015 #84

agreed. I am not going to prove the OP wrong roguevalley Mar 2015 #88

really? politicman Mar 2015 #3

i think her choice for scotus will be better than president walker's picks Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #5

There will not be a "President Walker" MNBrewer Mar 2015 #16

great argument: our candidate is getting doantions from them to actually stop them donating? politicman Mar 2015 #64

She will never run again for political office after this QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #7

do you think the 1% are so dumb as to donate heavuily to a candidate that would not benefit them? politicman Mar 2015 #67

"She voted for the war in Iraq, but I don't care..." MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #6

I volunteered for the Draft during Vietnam because QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #9

Most elected Democrats voted against invading Iraq MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #11

no kidding ellennelle Mar 2015 #15

And she learned nothing MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #23

She did what she thought was right at the time QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #22

No, she did what she thought was right for her political ambitions Broward Mar 2015 #25

Bernie and Warren did what they thought may excite their political Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #27

And what, exactly, was that a resolution to do? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #31

Hillary gave her reasons for voting for the IWR also, Bush was supposed to exhaust Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #43

Are you claiming that Warren and Sanders voted to not attack ISIS? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #45

They voted NO on the ISIS Resolution, you can go on with any reasons you want, I look at their Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #47

Strange. You seem unable to discuss what was actually in that resolution. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #52

Oh, give me a break! John Poet Mar 2015 #100

And besides that, John Poet Mar 2015 #101

Then their conscience is questionable in handling affairs of security. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #107

This is what I've always believed. bigwillq Mar 2015 #32

57% of Congressional Democrats voted against going to war against Iraq MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #29

And they were all wrong as well. Shoulders of Giants Mar 2015 #66

She did what she thought would keep the wing nut media off her case tularetom Mar 2015 #104

In the Senate 58% of Democrats voted for it... Agschmid Mar 2015 #71

Well, this might be where you went wrong: F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #28

My jaw's still on the floor. Iggo Mar 2015 #102

You do realize it was Karl Rove who came up with "The Dems started the Iraq War and esp. Hillary" McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #87

Are you claiming that I'm saying the same thing as Rove? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #96

You can add Honduras to Hillary's list of foreign fiascos Oilwellian Mar 2015 #95

Yikes. Somehow I missed her connection. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #97

well, that is "A" reason ellennelle Mar 2015 #8

Name a candidate who runs as a national candidate in the last decade or so is Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #30

isn't "the last decade" a bit of a slim window? ellennelle Mar 2015 #60

Barack Obama's top five contributors in 08 were Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #77

Congratulations ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #10

Didn't you get the memo? leftofcool Mar 2015 #46

Ohhh. That memo?!? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #53

About "Commissioner" O'Malley Jim Lane Mar 2015 #92

And about last week's "Comissioner" Webb ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #94

Everyone reads a different subset of the posts on DU Jim Lane Mar 2015 #99

You're right. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #105

Spare us your victim complex. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #91

also too ellennelle Mar 2015 #12

So, if Warren ran... Helen Borg Mar 2015 #13

If warren ran, I would support her because she could win QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #41

But she may run... Helen Borg Mar 2015 #70

Not sufficient for me to support a rightie. As far a SCOTUS, I understand that factor, but GoneFishin Mar 2015 #14

I fully agree with your position SecularMotion Mar 2015 #17

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, member of "The Family". Scuba Mar 2015 #18

Ditto to what Scuba said... SoapBox Mar 2015 #33

Pro-fracking also peacebird Mar 2015 #37

Ditto to what Scuba said!!! Thespian2 Mar 2015 #51

The SCOTUS part is understandable. But any Democrat HappyMe Mar 2015 #19

Exactly. peacebird Mar 2015 #39

I laughed at the HappyMe Mar 2015 #42

yes! ellennelle Mar 2015 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #73

A corporatist is the last, best hope to save democracy? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #20

Last hope to save Democracy? Geronimoe Mar 2015 #21

I don't vote for ANYONE because of their plumbing. 99Forever Mar 2015 #24

I vote for plumbing. John Poet Mar 2015 #103

You're not wrong....we're always right to support Hillary. ileus Mar 2015 #26

I'll vote for her if she's the nominee... but 2 words regarding female leaders: The Green Manalishi Mar 2015 #34

Im now hoping Hillary decides not to run.. DCBob Mar 2015 #35

Don't and Won't yellowwoodII Mar 2015 #36

That may be enough for you. It's not enough for me. Autumn Mar 2015 #38

Have you ever visited Texas? TBF Mar 2015 #40

HRC - Is An Economic Royalist - She Represents The 1% - She Is The Last Person To Save Democracy cantbeserious Mar 2015 #44

Seriously? leftofcool Mar 2015 #49

This isn't against HRC being rich, or Liz Warren for being rich RiverLover Mar 2015 #55

Does Not Change What HRC Is - An Economic Royalist cantbeserious Mar 2015 #85

Gee, I got that information months and months ago - from a rabid RW acquaintance. djean111 Mar 2015 #89

It is jaw dropping to see how many and how quickly so many Democrats adopted that exact TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #90

I don't think there would be any change HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #48

Well I will make a prediction. zeemike Mar 2015 #50

How dare you support Hillary Clinton! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #54

Not fit for duty Geronimoe Mar 2015 #56

Your second reason is why we want a Democrat. Savannahmann Mar 2015 #57

I Support Hillary Clinton also santroy79 Mar 2015 #58

and this no Hillary and support Warren talk? santroy79 Mar 2015 #59

I am a Liberal and a Democrat, and I support Hillary. 0nirevets Mar 2015 #62

the notion that women as a voting block will support HRC... ms liberty Mar 2015 #63

Hillary will mobilize right-wingers Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #65

As several others have already pointed out, SheilaT Mar 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #83

Even I don't buy that... Agschmid Mar 2015 #69

Then you would support Claire McCaskill? Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #72

Here is an link to an article about the Keystone pipeline decision at State while HRC was Secretary. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #74

She supported an International War Crime BubbaFett Mar 2015 #75

So did 58% of our Senate at the time... Agschmid Mar 2015 #80

I am a woman, love to see one be president, but if it isn't Warren's time, I don't want a token mother earth Mar 2015 #76

My ideal outcome in 2017: Any Democrat. If HRC gets the nod, I will take extreme pleasure... freshwest Mar 2015 #78

Nah, that douchebag would like nothing more than to see Hillary elected tularetom Mar 2015 #106

You are free to support anyone you want Marrah_G Mar 2015 #79

So women blindly vote for the candidate with a vagina? jeff47 Mar 2015 #81

Yes, we need a woman president. And women support her 2 to 3. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #86

You're wrong because your voting on you're feelings ram2008 Mar 2015 #93

What makes you believe that Clinton will abandon the 1%? demwing Mar 2015 #98