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karynnj

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72. This poll was done March 1-4 (I looked at pollingreport.com)
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:04 PM
Mar 2015

If the polling was uniform over that interval, half would be before the NYT reported the most recent story - so these responses would not reflect this. However, for the second half, this might have been the last thing they heard about HRC.

One interesting question, for which I have no idea how to assess, is how much of HRC's support in the primary is a function of her polling as beating all Republicans. (There were a very few outliers at various times where she was tied, but in general she has had a healthy margin.) I suspect that name recognition coupled with the belief that HRC is a sure thing for keeping the Presidency has an enormous impact on the primary results.

My gut reaction is that you will unfortunately be right that HRC might have a tough fight to win the Presidency. The saving grace might be that there is no charismatic Republican without a lot of baggage who would not have his own (hopefully greater) problems.

The last week has increased my fears - the email reinforces some of the worst images I have of Clinton, but what is scarier is the reaction of her team - which has been to slowly do all of the following -

- argue that others did the same thing - when in fact, what they did went beyond anything I have heard of previous Secretaries of State. (Not to mention, I think this triggers the same reaction from many of us who are parents - as someone else posted, we didn't accept that response from our kids even when they were little.

- argue that both Obama and Kerry also have some (unproven/undefined) private email too, ignoring that the SD has said specifically that Kerry has exclusively used government email on anything work related and it is archived contemporaneously.

- argue that it did not break the law -- ignoring that more is expected than just not breaking the law.

- Ignoring that the SD will likely have to augment every FOIA and inquiry concerning the Clinton era by going over these Clinton emails AND having to at least implicitly add the caveat that it only includes the email given to them by HRC. The SD has no way to claim that nothing was extracted after the fact.

- Note this also is why the historical record is impacted - obviously being able to remove or edit anything that lends a bad light on a decision seen up to 6 years later could make these records suspect.

_ In typical Clinton fashion, her way to resolve this is not to explain what she did and defend it or take responsibility. It is to make a splash saying the SD should make everything public. This would be nice transparency except that no one looking to dispute HRC will accept this as the full account. So, the SD, not only is left with likely augmenting inquiries, but with the task of redacting private or sensitive material for this huge cache of emails. On top of that, they have been accused of stonewalling for about a year -- when it appears from the behind the scenes accounts, they were working to comply in complete good faith.

This will likely blow over as a news story, but it is easy to resurrect. Consider how many - maybe coordinated to not happen all at the same time - demands for reprocessing the inquiries on ANY topic requested to the SD over the last 6 years that covers the Clinton years.

Not to mention, there are likely more shoes to fall - as is typical with many Clinton things. One thing mentioned that troubles me is that her aide Huma Abedin was also on this serve. That means that work emails from Clinton to a top aide are not in the SD records. Knowing this, it is hard to accept the view that the SD has or will get everything. (Note - I have heard nothing said about Abedin's emails being sent to the SD - and they should be as well.)

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Well, don't look for her supporters to abandon her even if she's not electable. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #1
Excuse me? Every Clinton supporter here said they would support the nominee. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #3
That's because every Clinton supporter here is dead certain HRC will be the nominee. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #18
So you are calling us liars? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #20
Geez, Freud identified projection as a coping mechanism two centuries ago... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #24
No, I think you're just Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #27
So you are saying I might turn my back on the Democratic Party? hrmjustin Mar 2015 #38
You're right, you personally won't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #41
And so are the Hillary supporters of this board thank you very much! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #43
Ok, I'll grant you that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #46
Wow you just keep on going with the insults. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #48
How was that an insult? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #52
I would not have supported Lieberman. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #53
I apparently actually used a name that showed you yourself that when you said you'd always vote for Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #60
I do always vote Democratic. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #62
Well, I vote Dem probably 95%-99% of the time. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #65
Well I will support our nominee. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #67
That's a slippery slope argument and consequently a logical fallacy./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #73
Actually it's the heart of the fighting between people on site. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #84
Not you... Agschmid Mar 2015 #56
Seems rather personal to me and the other members of this board who support her. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #59
It's not. Agschmid Mar 2015 #61
Why not wait til the primaries are ova b4 declarin one's allegiance? Shud neva let ANY candidate take ur vote 4 granted if u want ur issues addressed. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #79
I think he/she just did. leftofcool Mar 2015 #31
Yep. just sad! hrmjustin Mar 2015 #40
Nope, I will gladly vote for whoever the D nominee is. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #39
No, but them I'm not registered as a Democrat. I'm a Democratic Socialist. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #44
So you might vote Republican? JaneyVee Mar 2015 #49
I sincerely doubt it. In every election since I've been old enough to vote Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #50
..which is why all of those state and local technical positions should be non partisan Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #58
That would be nice, but I would still worry about things like judgeships. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #63
No Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #54
It's conceivable. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #68
even though there are plenty here who say roguevalley Mar 2015 #77
Thats your opinion. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #78
yes it is. same as yours. Equal. I don't roguevalley Mar 2015 #82
Well she will have to answer for it and I think she will do just fine. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #83
I respect your ardency for Hillary as the President Aerows Mar 2015 #92
Always respect you my friend. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #95
Love you anyway :) Aerows Mar 2015 #96
Interesting. H2O Man Mar 2015 #2
Not changing my opinion over a poll. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #4
Not changing my opinion over a poll. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #7
Agreed! It will be a competitive race especially because it is a third term for our party. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #9
It would be nice if folks built up their own favorite candidates instead of tearing down others./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #11
That is not going to happen because in order to beat Hillary they have to attack her. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #14
Wowza DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #19
I'm not suggesting you do. I'm expressing MY opinion cali Mar 2015 #12
Fair enough but I was just stating my opinion as well. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #15
I would like to see how Warren, Sanders and O'Malley poll against the potential clown car. leftofcool Mar 2015 #34
There are a Blue Wall of states... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #5
I don't think that blue wall is impregnable cali Mar 2015 #22
New Mexico, New Hampshire, and Virginia aren't part of the Blue Wall./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #25
they are according to wiki and every other source I checked out before cali Mar 2015 #37
Res ipsa loquitur: DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #71
Maybe she'd win over some Tea baggers if she runs. RiverLover Mar 2015 #6
I doubt it. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #10
Here's what I'd say if I wanted to be as crass as your post above ^^ wyldwolf Mar 2015 #16
Maybe it's time to stop holding back. leftofcool Mar 2015 #23
Am I wrong? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #33
Not here on DU. But, you should see the NA forums I belong to. leftofcool Mar 2015 #36
You can use it. RiverLover Mar 2015 #42
You think taking away a minority spot from a bonafide registered Native American is laughable? leftofcool Mar 2015 #51
Is that what she did? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #89
I just had a Warren supporter pull the 'sniper fire' story out... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #94
Laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26
I have no animus against Senator Warren. * DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #32
President Obama has lauded Reagan and spoken about being Reaganesque. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #57
It frosted me when President Obama said "Reagan was a transformational leader" DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #74
Laugh. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author wyldwolf Mar 2015 #29
Wow! You really do hate Hillary. leftofcool Mar 2015 #21
I hate tea baggers. RiverLover Mar 2015 #28
Certainly not a fan. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #55
My faith in Clinton's chances will waver if TWO things happen... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #8
+1 leftofcool Mar 2015 #17
If people would actually elect a Reep president.. ananda Mar 2015 #13
Well, that's what "they" Want us fredamae Mar 2015 #30
well that made little sense. Polls are credible and verifiable evidence. cali Mar 2015 #45
Polls are credible? I disagree fredamae Mar 2015 #47
I'll go as far as to say a well designed poll that is properly weighted and sampled TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #64
Considering the baggage she's carrying it's hardly surpising. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #75
Cross your fingers. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #69
Hypotheticals don't win elections. Efilroft Sul Mar 2015 #70
This poll was done March 1-4 (I looked at pollingreport.com) karynnj Mar 2015 #72
Really good points, karynnj/karynvt! RiverLover Mar 2015 #87
Could it be that a lot of rank and file Democrats like Hillary... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #93
Funny, last week the anti-Hillary people were telling us polls are meaningless brooklynite Mar 2015 #76
i did not i have never said pols are meaningless n cali Mar 2015 #86
I didn't say -you-..... brooklynite Mar 2015 #88
4 points above Walker? FML LittleBlue Mar 2015 #80
Yep daredtowork Mar 2015 #81
It's hard for anyone to run fadedrose Mar 2015 #85
A Republican as President of the US Aerows Mar 2015 #90
That is what was inevitable. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #91
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