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19. Birds of a Feather,,,,,,,

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Daniel Ellsberg:If Petraeus didn't commit felony-neither did Snowden, Manning, Sterling, or Kiriakou [View all] kpete Mar 2015 OP

Daniel Ellsberg is correct. Autumn Mar 2015 #1

Yep. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #61

We Live In A Dictatorship billhicks76 Mar 2015 #72

totally. I can't even write that on an online discussion forum. uhnope Mar 2015 #180

let's hear the AG on this - oh, yeah, our new one isn't confirmed b/c she's black & female wordpix Mar 2015 #189

+100000. Of course a bigwig like Petraeus is treated differently wordpix Mar 2015 #186

K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #2

Someone had to say it The Blue Flower Mar 2015 #3

So that she could write a flattering autobiography of him supposedly. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #158

I guess we'll never know since Snowden likely will live the rest of his life in Russia. randome Mar 2015 #4

... Scuba Mar 2015 #5

Yet no warrants have been issued for these supposely crimes Cryptoad Mar 2015 #21

War criminals do seem to get a free pass in this country. Shame it's that way. Scuba Mar 2015 #23

still doesnt address why no warrants have been issued. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #24

"Looking forward" I guess. Scuba Mar 2015 #26

Well prosecuting more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined might explain it a bit. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #89

I'm shocked. Aerows Mar 2015 #54

You 're so funny.... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #108

That is because they are the power elite. blackspade Mar 2015 #107

really,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #109

I believe there have been several petitions for Cheney's dumb ass.... blackspade Mar 2015 #111

The ass hole did many things that I find almost evil. l... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #113

Are you seriously giving that criminal a pass? blackspade Mar 2015 #118

Im just stating a fact to you,,, no warrants have been issued for that ass hole. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #120

A fact that means nothing. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #144

it is what it is......... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #146

So is everything else. So what? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #147

sure it means something,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #149

I see Rex Mar 2015 #121

xactly wordpix Mar 2015 #187

Yeah, we do know. The sample size is large enough to be clear. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #7

All due respect, but what possible reason would Snowden have to return now to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #10

You are gullible as hell. nt Logical Mar 2015 #14

I doubt that. Rex Mar 2015 #126

Only until this country restores the rule of law. Other nations have gone through periods like this sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #31

Well that's what I'm talking about actually. We do have laws, we have the Constitution of the US sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #32

Charles Colson was Watergate. Oliver North was Iran-Contra jmowreader Mar 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #43

You sound almost fond Aerows Mar 2015 #62

I wonder why a military general gets a free pass, but a lowly worker does not? Rex Mar 2015 #124

You still mad bro? Rex Mar 2015 #122

Maybe because he doesn't interest me. randome Mar 2015 #127

LAWL "A high-ranking intelligence officer having an affair? That's nothing." Rex Mar 2015 #128

I already updated my post to be more accurate. randome Mar 2015 #130

Thanks for admitting to playing CYA for the good general. It is right there in your post, TY! Rex Mar 2015 #131

He gave away top secret documents to a potential spy. That wasn't hard at all. randome Mar 2015 #133

Curious, how do you know that!? Rex Mar 2015 #134

Goodnight, sweet prince. randome Mar 2015 #142

Yes heard that my entire life, along with "fetch doggy!" Rex Mar 2015 #156

Major fail. Really major. Pathetic. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #176

Funny how the General gets a pass but Snowden not so much neverforget Mar 2015 #155

Well I will get Snowed for saying this, but ONE passed along TS information Rex Mar 2015 #157

Oliver North remains a hero to this day to the RW knuckledraggers. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #171

It's typical authoritarian behavior. They love themselves some Generals. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #174

That is precisely what I said malaise Mar 2015 #6

Indeed you did Aerows Mar 2015 #63

great minds reason in the same tract Duppers Mar 2015 #74

Not always malaise Mar 2015 #86

Mr. Ellsberg is a thorn in the side of the Conservatives. He is here pointing out rhett o rick Mar 2015 #8

The Conservatives? Isn't it the Obama Justice Dept prosecuting bread_and_roses Mar 2015 #15

Abso-fracking-lutely. I said the Conservatives. The persecution of whistle-blowers and rhett o rick Mar 2015 #18

Wrong. A total of 8 have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act. randome Mar 2015 #34

So you don't condem prosecuting whisteblowers....just the amount? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #39

Not whistleblowers. Leakers. There is a difference. randome Mar 2015 #45

"There is a difference." Hissyspit Mar 2015 #47

That individual Aerows Mar 2015 #60

Funny that particular poster seems unable to even make a small critique Rex Mar 2015 #139

Oh, please. Why are you so intent to condemn Snowden? Why are you not as outraged about the NSA's cui bono Mar 2015 #91

Because, except for the occasional lapse that happens with every law enforcement agency... randome Mar 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Mar 2015 #48

That's more than all previous Presidents combined. nt. druidity33 Mar 2015 #76

Eight leakers, eight prosecutions. randome Mar 2015 #104

Maybe the whistle-blowers think they will be treated fairly by a Democratic rhett o rick Mar 2015 #173

That total of 8 proves that statement to be correct, how can you claim it is wrong? cui bono Mar 2015 #90

Because there are more leakers than in previous administrations. randome Mar 2015 #103

That is not a valid arguement and you know it. blackspade Mar 2015 #110

Really? Are you holding out the Bush administration as a model of behavior? randome Mar 2015 #112

Nice try at a smear blackspade Mar 2015 #116

We're in agreement about the Bush, Jr. administration. randome Mar 2015 #123

That's the thing, I'm not convinced that Obama is the guiding hand... blackspade Mar 2015 #163

Playing the "black" card? That can go both ways. It's open season on anyone who criticizes Obama. cui bono Mar 2015 #168

kr ND-Dem Mar 2015 #9

Yes. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #11

Yep. K&R 99Forever Mar 2015 #12

. libodem Mar 2015 #13

The 1% take care of their own SHRED Mar 2015 #16

"For reasons of national security" is a convenient way to cover up crimes and is used to do so. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #17

Birds of a Feather,,,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #19

So where are all those DU'ers who went . . FairWinds Mar 2015 #20

Are you kidding me? They would have to come in here and criticize one of their heroes! Rex Mar 2015 #22

Sorry, but those who have been critical of Snowden, the majority in that group at DU were NOT fans still_one Mar 2015 #88

Let's see... Petraeus was appointed by Obama... cui bono Mar 2015 #92

Both Petraeus was a republican, appointed by a republican when he was general in Afghanistan. When still_one Mar 2015 #170

I never said Snowden was appointed by Obama. cui bono Mar 2015 #192

I know you didn't, you were referring to Pretraus for that, and my thoughts were simply that he still_one Mar 2015 #194

Okay, I see. No problem. I just wanted it on record that I knew that! cui bono Mar 2015 #196

Yeah I fall in that group too and yet I seem to be able to be critical of both men. Rex Mar 2015 #119

I'm talking to someone right now in this very thread that seems to know that the good general Rex Mar 2015 #135

. libodem Mar 2015 #28

That's right! General Betray-Us discloses classified info for nookie... backscatter712 Mar 2015 #40

It's not that I'm okay with Petraeus; far from it jmowreader Mar 2015 #59

Petraus mishandled classified, and he left it with someone who shouldn't have had it. MADem Mar 2015 #67

Classist drivel of intense magnitude TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #69

Post #22 Rex Mar 2015 #73

Betray-Us will get a gig on FAUX "News". backscatter712 Mar 2015 #95

Not only see my post #22 but look for my sub-thread (upthread) for evidence. Rex Mar 2015 #137

It just shows El Shaman Mar 2015 #25

Ellsberg is a great figure from history but he's kind of lost it now uhnope Mar 2015 #29

I'd knew you wouldn't let us down!! elias49 Mar 2015 #56

funny how you can only mock uhnope Mar 2015 #58

Yoko said it best... Cooley Hurd Mar 2015 #70

Haha! elias49 Mar 2015 #78

thanks for being honest uhnope Mar 2015 #101

There's nothing wrong with that job. nilesobek Mar 2015 #148

what's a metaphor? uhnope Mar 2015 #150

That's some real elitist crap. nilesobek Mar 2015 #151

you don't send me flowers anymore uhnope Mar 2015 #152

I know there is a human being behind every screen. nilesobek Mar 2015 #153

it's honest work and all honest work is good uhnope Mar 2015 #161

I respect your profession. I went to school to be nilesobek Mar 2015 #162

the writer's market is shrinking but uhnope Mar 2015 #184

Can you even tell me what you do for a job? nilesobek Mar 2015 #159

Septic tanks are not water tight. blackspade Mar 2015 #164

Unike what you did in the post elias49 was responding to. Riiiiiiight... cui bono Mar 2015 #94

BS2 uhnope Mar 2015 #100

After you dismissed him as being old and some other ridiculous thing. cui bono Mar 2015 #169

I saw your lengthy post uhnope Mar 2015 #182

Ellsburg has also said Snowden should not return because he would not be treated fairly cui bono Mar 2015 #193

if you want a discussion, don't do the straw man thing, OK? uhnope Mar 2015 #195

Okay, sorry for that. Perhaps you shouldn't refer to his actions as a charade then. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #197

Huh? You're the one who openned with smearing the messenger instead of Marr Mar 2015 #98

psychobabble and $3 will get you a grand latte uhnope Mar 2015 #99

No, it's shallow character assassination. Marr Mar 2015 #105

only to someone engaging in hero worship would that appear to be character assassination uhnope Mar 2015 #125

"He's kind of lost it now"? "Sometimes old guys need to still feel relevant"? deurbano Mar 2015 #75

I'm curious... in your sig you have a solidarity graphic. cui bono Mar 2015 #93

notice the spelling uhnope Mar 2015 #117

Capital. Octafish Mar 2015 #175

overpaid uhnope Mar 2015 #183

K&R for consistency in application of the Rule of LAW grasswire Mar 2015 #30

But Patreaus DID commit a felony. Adrahil Mar 2015 #33

He has blackmail power, and he's not afraid to use it Demeter Mar 2015 #52

K&R ReRe Mar 2015 #35

Must be related to the volume of data released. Roland99 Mar 2015 #36

That would be Justice. Octafish Mar 2015 #37

K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #41

Reminds me of the quote from Animal Farm packman Mar 2015 #42

Thank you. nt daredtowork Mar 2015 #44

And since Pareaus drove 1 MPH over the speed limit ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2015 #46

I trust Ellsberg knows what he is speaking about over a self described conservative. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51

I boiled the noodles for too long Aerows Mar 2015 #65

It is 2015, in context what does identifying as a conservative Democrat mean? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #71

Those made me laugh (out loud, even)! deurbano Mar 2015 #82

What a dumb analogy. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #84

And that's supposed to be a minor offense? cui bono Mar 2015 #97

courts also take intent into consideration uhnope Mar 2015 #132

Yeah, intention matters. Hissyspit Mar 2015 #138

you've avoided the point uhnope Mar 2015 #143

seriously, put on your thinking cap wordpix Mar 2015 #190

Ellsberg is so right, as relevant today, actually, MORE. K & R & TY, kpete! mother earth Mar 2015 #49

Be aware of those that despise Aerows Mar 2015 #50

I so agree. mother earth Mar 2015 #55

Long ago, I had a security clearance . . FairWinds Mar 2015 #53

Raise your hand Aerows Mar 2015 #57

I don't know why anyone is surprised. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #64

When you labor under the idea that Aerows Mar 2015 #66

Exactly, it's called hegemony blackspade Mar 2015 #115

I agree 100% nt kelliekat44 Mar 2015 #68

Oh there is some difference though, Manning and Snowden released thousands of classified documents cstanleytech Mar 2015 #77

And Patraeus didn't? Wha? elias49 Mar 2015 #79

I didnt say he didnt do anything, in fact I think he got off far, far to light. cstanleytech Mar 2015 #83

None of them named CIA agents... Octafish Mar 2015 #80

I only said though there are "some" differences and I already said I believe he got off cstanleytech Mar 2015 #85

Oh, please. W T F? Hissyspit Mar 2015 #81

Here's an investigative article about Hissyspit Mar 2015 #87

Depends on who is, and who is not, a member of "THE FAMILY." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #96

Exactly. Take Scooter Libby for example, he took a bullet for Bush and Bush cstanleytech Mar 2015 #114

A sickening double standard blackspade Mar 2015 #106

Yep Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #129

Yes it does! Just look at all the apologists here for the good general that have ignored that Rex Mar 2015 #140

Oh, I noticed. And have for years.... blackspade Mar 2015 #165

So Ellsberg thinks Snowden should return and whistler162 Mar 2015 #136

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #141

Petraeus should be a felon, should serve jail time. Absolutely. TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #145

This is interesting, now we have admissions Snowden, Manning, Sterling and Kiriakou has committed Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #154

That would be no. blackspade Mar 2015 #166

Sure sounds like the author thought Petraeus should be charged also. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #167

IF Manning et al are being charged under that shitty 1918 law... blackspade Mar 2015 #172

I lived and worked withand by your description of "shitty" 1918 law, Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #177

Thanks for making no sense at all. blackspade Mar 2015 #178

Good when your phone conversations are revealed dont complain. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #179

? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #181

Communication company employees can also be charges under the same law. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #185

What the hell are you talking about now? blackspade Mar 2015 #188

. libodem Mar 2015 #160

The more I read this the better is the case Ellsberg's making wordpix Mar 2015 #191

Naturally...Because all those cases are 100% exactly alike Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #198