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jeff47

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48. That is so completely relevant to saccharine.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:15 PM
Mar 2015

Oh, I'm sorry. I tried to give more information to people about a chemical, and we can't have that.

Now, let's line up for our all-natural sweetener Truvia from Cargill. We can't hand out other information, or people might find out that both chemicals in it are actually 100% man-made.

I think I will just let the GMO advocates have this one. leftofcool Mar 2015 #1
The anti-labeling movement is about protecting products, mmonk Mar 2015 #2
They're pushing a bill right now in the Rethug Congress that would pnwmom Mar 2015 #3
Yep. It amazes me really that people can't see through the corporate law rights mmonk Mar 2015 #17
Yet again the GOP cherry picks when Moliere Mar 2015 #71
+ 1 billion Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #177
Fortunately, somene has found a picture of the Monsanto labs... Archae Mar 2015 #4
Washington State University Professor Charles Benbrook pnwmom Mar 2015 #6
that's pretty significant. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #12
It's win-win for Monsanto. Sell the pesticide; sell the pesticide-resistant-GMO seeds, pnwmom Mar 2015 #15
vicious circle commerce. yeah, win win, until it's not. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #16
The only "hysterics" visible are the anti-labeling hysterics, and those that attempt to peddle guilt Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #178
And... Archae Mar 2015 #5
Right. You think vaccines and GMO's are equally safe and valuable pnwmom Mar 2015 #9
Not the point. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #104
Yes it is the point. The fact that some people have the same issues pnwmom Mar 2015 #109
Those "issues" are fallacies. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #111
What is a fallacy is the idea that because both vaccines and GMO's pnwmom Mar 2015 #112
Again, not the point. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #114
It really doesn't matter what fallacies some people might use to promote their views. pnwmom Mar 2015 #116
Operative word being "can." NuclearDem Mar 2015 #117
No one has disproven the fact that GMO foods have led pnwmom Mar 2015 #119
It's up to people making a positive claim to provide evidence to support it. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #120
I've posted about the increase of pesticide use many times. pnwmom Mar 2015 #122
That's such a stupid dictorial bully graphic "you can't criticize one while believing in the other" Cha Mar 2015 #108
somebody made a cool graphic G_j Mar 2015 #11
Science!!! ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13
Sorry corrupt scientists working for industry, and their lackeys in the FDA, is not science proof on point Mar 2015 #32
All 1800 studies were done by shills? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #115
Not one says that GMOs are safe. immoderate Mar 2015 #143
Given your previous posts, I don't think anything could ever qualify as safe. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #144
Given my previous posts, you would think someone would cite a paper that would shut me up. immoderate Mar 2015 #147
You're either operating off some weird definition of safe NuclearDem Mar 2015 #150
Which paper, referred to me, that you have read, proclaims GMOs the safest? immoderate Mar 2015 #154
Another poster gave you a spreadsheet listing all the studies. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #155
Sorry, but citing tens of hundreds of studies does not count as providing information. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #157
When it's in response to "there are no studies showing GMOs are safe" NuclearDem Mar 2015 #159
Do you really thnk those papers all said GMOs are safe? They didn't. immoderate Mar 2015 #161
"They didn't." NuclearDem Mar 2015 #163
So you can't find it either. immoderate Mar 2015 #169
I asked you for the studies you claim do not assert GMO safety. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #171
And, as is obvious, you haven't looked at them. immoderate Mar 2015 #173
That's called a Gish Gallop. It wasn't the information I requested. (Did you read it? Why not?) immoderate Mar 2015 #160
When the issue is "there is no butter", NuclearDem Mar 2015 #162
Is there a study there that concludes GMOs are safe? immoderate Mar 2015 #168
The evidence is out for one, but not the other as we are in the middle of the grand mmonk Mar 2015 #47
Your logic "you can't criticize one while believing the other" is a fallacy. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #56
total nonsense, that chart Voice for Peace Mar 2015 #75
Fail. You can't claim to love science while endorsing logical fallacies. GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #79
"anti-corporation" "anti-profit" LittleBlue Mar 2015 #136
Yawn!!! mindem Mar 2015 #146
Aspartame makes me sick as a dog. Rex Mar 2015 #7
It's on my son's sleep list clinic's list of substances to be avoided pnwmom Mar 2015 #10
It seems to be in almost everything that says 'sugar free'. Rex Mar 2015 #14
We're using stevia, it's an herbal sweetener. Just don't use too much or it will be bitter. peacebird Mar 2015 #24
not only that; there's a link to slave profits. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8
Why use such obvious lies to make your point? jeff47 Mar 2015 #18
Read the actual article I linked to. These are products Monsanto brought to market, pnwmom Mar 2015 #19
Nope. A small portion of the list are products Monsanto sells. jeff47 Mar 2015 #20
The article explains the part Monsanto had in marketing pnwmom Mar 2015 #22
Nuclear weapons. jeff47 Mar 2015 #28
No, they were just involved in helping to manufacture nuclear weapons. Is that better? pnwmom Mar 2015 #31
Not when the claim is Monsanto brought nuclear weapons to market. jeff47 Mar 2015 #36
Good argument. Trying to prove points by including artifacts doesn't advance the discussion. eom erronis Mar 2015 #46
Right, but it's fine to conflate GMO's with vaccines, as GMO supporters routinely do. pnwmom Mar 2015 #77
The anti-GMO and anti-vax crowds do behave similarly. And they're both pushing anti-science tropes. HuckleB Mar 2015 #84
This is classic anti-GMO propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #23
Right. Because vaccines and GMO's are equally safe and valuable. pnwmom Mar 2015 #27
You just have to keep digging, don't you? HuckleB Mar 2015 #29
You keep saying you don't engage with me any more. pnwmom Mar 2015 #34
Yes, much better to go with the people claiming Monsanto sells nuclear weapons. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #30
It's so much better merely to help produce nuclear weapons. pnwmom Mar 2015 #35
The article claims they "brought them to market". Not sold chemicals to the US government. jeff47 Mar 2015 #37
They needed the chemicals from Monsanto in order to bring the products pnwmom Mar 2015 #40
No, they needed chemicals. Dow could have easily supplied them, but Monsanto won the bid. jeff47 Mar 2015 #42
Where did I imply that Monsanto was lying? Lying about what? pnwmom Mar 2015 #45
That GMOs are safe. Without that claim, there's no reason for you to make your post. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #49
They have been controlling the research by controlling the seed contracts. pnwmom Mar 2015 #53
+1 nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #158
But, it's ever so beneficial. That's why they want it advertised on food...oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #21
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #43
That is quite a list of toxins Generic Other Mar 2015 #25
You're welcome, Generic Other. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #26
But isn't Monsanto just like every other corporation erronis Mar 2015 #50
The Monsatan meme must be preserved. HuckleB Mar 2015 #54
So Dupont is bad but Monsanto isn't? Generic Other Mar 2015 #64
Yes, all corporations have unethical histories. HuckleB Mar 2015 #66
Saying NO to what you are selling is now unethical? Generic Other Mar 2015 #69
Lying about it, and pushing for legislation that makes no scientific sense is unethical. HuckleB Mar 2015 #72
I don't care what poisons you put in your body Generic Other Mar 2015 #82
And there's another anti-GMO trope. HuckleB Mar 2015 #83
How can one refuse to buy it when Monsanto, and others, iemitsu Mar 2015 #131
Why don't organic companies label foods that come from mutagenesis? HuckleB Mar 2015 #134
26 nations who some on DU would call liars and unethical Generic Other Mar 2015 #138
Thank you Generic. iemitsu Mar 2015 #142
Ok. That is really lame. salib Mar 2015 #149
And if a majority of consumers reject their product or want labeling Generic Other Mar 2015 #55
How could they make money if a majority of consumers rejected their product? HuckleB Mar 2015 #57
By buying friends in high places in order to forcefeed us adulterated food Generic Other Mar 2015 #67
No one is force feeding anyone. HuckleB Mar 2015 #68
Why do you care if I refuse to eat what you are selling? Generic Other Mar 2015 #70
I don't care if you don't buy it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #74
You believe Asians don't have the competence to grow rice without Monsanto? Generic Other Mar 2015 #78
WOW! You just get more ridiculous and disingenuous with every post. HuckleB Mar 2015 #80
Monsanto = good old fashioned American white supremacy toward Asian rice farmers Generic Other Mar 2015 #87
Golden Rice has nothing to do with Monsanto or culture. HuckleB Mar 2015 #88
Because no Asians know anything about rice Generic Other Mar 2015 #93
You just keep ranting without bothering to read or inform yourself. HuckleB Mar 2015 #94
And you keep saying nothing Generic Other Mar 2015 #97
Oh, goodness. That's funny. HuckleB Mar 2015 #98
Name me the major strains of rice Asians eat and locate the countries Generic Other Mar 2015 #100
Thanks for the confession. HuckleB Mar 2015 #101
golden rice sounds as appetizing as golden showers Generic Other Mar 2015 #118
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #121
Let's let a jury decide Generic Other Mar 2015 #124
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #125
I think I have a right to defend myself when I am accused of lying repeatedly Generic Other Mar 2015 #129
Why don't you stop lying? HuckleB Mar 2015 #132
I am not a liar Generic Other Mar 2015 #133
Looks like the jury made their decision Generic Other Mar 2015 #141
Evidently he also thinks that Africans are too dumb to make informed decisions iemitsu Mar 2015 #152
I take exception to being called names for two days for voicing an opinion Generic Other Mar 2015 #170
What ugly behavior. I hope that the review process takes his PM iemitsu Mar 2015 #172
Refusal to label GMO foods and seeking iemitsu Mar 2015 #151
Yes, it's Monsanto that's running scared here laundry_queen Mar 2015 #156
That's how I see it. iemitsu Mar 2015 #166
Which is why they're fighting labeling tooth and nail. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #126
They're fighting it because other corporations have utilized fear mongering about GMOs... HuckleB Mar 2015 #128
And that is exactly why they don't want to label their products. iemitsu Mar 2015 #137
Totally opposed to GMOs in every way, but must mention that saccharin--compared to Aspartame-- Wella Mar 2015 #33
The fear about saccharin comes from causing tumors in rat bladders. jeff47 Mar 2015 #39
And DDT and PCB's and Dioxin. Have they all been vindicated, too? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #44
That is so completely relevant to saccharine. jeff47 Mar 2015 #48
Monsanto continued to market saccharin after the rat studies came out. pnwmom Mar 2015 #51
There was never any proof that the problem did extend to humans and saccharin had a warning label Major Nikon Mar 2015 #73
You might as well make that argument about Thalidomide. pnwmom Mar 2015 #76
Thalidomide was never approved for sale in the US Major Nikon Mar 2015 #99
So? We dodged a bullet. It WAS approved by several governments in Europe pnwmom Mar 2015 #102
Not sure your assertion is correct, but even if it was the best you have is still a fallacy Major Nikon Mar 2015 #105
People smoked cigarettes for hundreds of years before testing proved the dangers. pnwmom Mar 2015 #107
Well here's some arguments that actually aren't false equivalencies (but are no less nutty) Major Nikon Mar 2015 #174
And here's an argument I've seen many pro GMO- supporters make: pnwmom Mar 2015 #175
So your argument is if others can make nutty arguments so can I Major Nikon Mar 2015 #176
I remember that the equivalent human ingestion would have been 800 sodas a day. Wella Mar 2015 #81
Big Agra is trustworthy. Octafish Mar 2015 #38
Yes, we need to trust the people claiming Monsanto sells nuclear weapons instead. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #41
Did I claim that? Octafish Mar 2015 #59
As far as GMOs go, there are plenty of independent scientists who point out that they are safe. HuckleB Mar 2015 #61
Thanks! All I know is what I read and see with my own two eyes. Octafish Mar 2015 #62
The science on BPA has been convoluted from the word go. Not so with GMOs. HuckleB Mar 2015 #65
I got a friend who worked in medical marketing... Octafish Mar 2015 #92
To some extent, yes. The pharm companies will pay for such research. HuckleB Mar 2015 #95
Hm, 50 replies and I see 39 of em. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #52
"Childish." HuckleB Mar 2015 #58
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #60
the atomic bomb??? Duppers Mar 2015 #63
monSATAN LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #85
Thanks for the example of why it's impossible to parody the anti-GMO crowd. HuckleB Mar 2015 #86
+1 Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #90
Let's dig deeper, pnwmom: Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #89
Do you object when GMO proponents try to lump GMO's in with vaccines? pnwmom Mar 2015 #91
I don't understand what you're saying. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #96
There have been many recent posts on DU trying to link pnwmom Mar 2015 #103
Thank you. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #148
Thanks for giving me a chance to clarify. pnwmom Mar 2015 #153
Agent Orange and relentess users of Roundup. fuck 'em.. don't care how "sciencey" they are. Cha Mar 2015 #106
Many companies were contracted to make Agent Orange. HuckleB Mar 2015 #110
Would you spray it on your grass then let your dog lick it? leftofcool Mar 2015 #145
Meet the New Monsanto: Dow Chemical... and Their New 'Agent Orange' Crops Cha Mar 2015 #113
Do you ever post anything that's not from an anti-GMO activist group? HuckleB Mar 2015 #123
Cha posts very widely, unlike you. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #127
And that justifies his use of anti-science groups, how? HuckleB Mar 2015 #130
You accused Cha of only posting in one area and that's not true. The problem is pnwmom Mar 2015 #140
LOL.. now I'm a "he".. doesn't know when to stop digging.. "Science/Agent Orange!!!!1111" Cha Mar 2015 #164
LOL.. a lot he knows. He really didn't like the message on monsanto and other posionous entities. Cha Mar 2015 #135
Screw them 840high Mar 2015 #139
Only a morally bankrupt weasel would trick someone into eating food that they don't want to GoneFishin Mar 2015 #165
Before you say anything about Monsanto, read "Seeds Of Reprisal." DFW Mar 2015 #167
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