I never, ever thought I'd see the day

[BainsBane]

319. It is not your right to insult other members

and why you think your opinion of another member relevant to anyone but yourself, I have no idea. There is a congress full of people who voted for that war, including I suspect the presidential candidate you voted for in 2004. Yet the only person you people ever mention that vote about is Hillary Clinton. Talk about hypocrisy. I have never before seen people on this site carry so much hatred for a public figure, and that includes Bush. That has next to nothing to do with Clinton herself because the very concerns you raise are common to the Democratic party and our political system as a whole. And then you have the nerve to call Justin a hypocrite because he doesn't fall in lock step with the group think. As offensive as you may find it that people are allowed to think and vote it ways that you don't control, that is the nature of our society. If you had an actual argument to make, you would do so instead of relying on insults. You don't like one member of the political elite that Justin happens to like. So fucking what? Deal with it. If you gave even the slightest shit about any policy issue, you would focus on changing that rather than making Democratic voters the enemy. If you understood anything about the nature of the problems facing this country, you wouldn't fool yourself into believing it's all about a single individual. I cannot begin to understand how it's possible to cultivate so much anger over something that amounts to so little.

I bet seven years ago the conversations were very similar. You all thought everything depended on defeating Clinton. How did that work out for you? Did capitalism suddenly evaporate because you succeeded in keeping the evil woman from office? Did war disappear from the place of the planet? Have you all learned nothing over these past seven years? How can you continue to delude yourself into thinking it's all about what personality occupies the White House? Do you all do this every election, vest all your fears and hopes into specific individuals, while the system remains the same and even gets worse? At what point are you going to figure out you are focusing on the symptom rather than the cause? The MIC or the relationship between capital and the state doesn't rise or fall based on a single member of the political elite. You all are trapped in a perpetual cycle of Groundhog day, and you show no desire to get out. Instead, you continue to hope for a political messiah that will magically transform America, and in the process insult everyone who doesn't share your particular view of one individual. And I expect in a few minutes you will insult me for not sharing your delusion.